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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: GROWTH WITHOUT SUFFERING?
vertical line Posted on Sep.16.2008 @ 01:02PM EDT by tyavfm

Can anyone tell me how Buddhists grow if they are trying to avoid suffering?


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Reply from Lynnoh
Sep.16.2008
01:22PM EDT 
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vertical line "pain is necessary so we don't really hurt ourself"
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Reply from 9999999
Sep.16.2008
01:31PM EDT 
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vertical line cant say
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Reply from Bluerose
Sep.16.2008
02:12PM EDT 
vertical line They don’t avoid suffering they embrace it.
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Reply from tyavfm
Sep.16.2008
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vertical line Quote: "They don’t avoid suffering they embrace it."
......... If their aim is cessation of suffering, then they embrace suffering?
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Reply from Snibbler
Sep.16.2008
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vertical line Dukkha...
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Reply from 9999999
Sep.16.2008
07:28PM EDT 
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vertical line you suffer when you dont get what you want

and you always want what you dont have (and never want what you have)

buddhists are picky B@S$%^$# :X
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Reply from shayne
Sep.16.2008
07:54PM EDT 
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Quote: "They don’t avoid suffering they embrace it."
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i like this.

my teeth hurt most of the time as im getting older im losing most of them. i dont runaway from the pain nor accept nor reject. i have no choice. but i do embrace pain as part of life. or as fact.

its like this-

pain is part of life.

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Reply from Snibbler
Sep.16.2008
08:41PM EDT 
vertical line everything is part of life..
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Reply from 9999999
Sep.16.2008
09:38PM EDT 
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vertical line You deal with it, and you deal with the way you deal with it.
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Reply from 9999999
Sep.16.2008
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vertical line Quote: "You deal with it, and you deal with the way you deal with it."
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There are no exceptions to this.
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Reply from shayne
Sep.16.2008
09:40PM EDT 
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pretty much.

me i get upset when my teeth are killing me.

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Reply from immortal 1
Sep.17.2008
05:56AM EDT 
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So much of Buddhism, like other religions, is steeped in ritual.  People can come to an erroneous conclusion that that is what the religion is about.  It is not. 

These things just help one to focus until they finally can see past the ritual to the heart of the matter.

Then suffering comes to an end.

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Reply from IZIZIZ
Sep.17.2008
07:54AM EDT 
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Being concerned with trying to avoid suffering would take up most of your time and energy.

It would not leave much time for anything else I feel.

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Reply from Lynnoh
Sep.17.2008
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vertical line Quote: "

So much of Buddhism, like other religions, is steeped in ritual.  People can come to an erroneous conclusion that that is what the religion is about.  It is not. 

These things just help one to focus until they finally can see past the ritual to the heart of the matter.

Then suffering comes to an end.

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"then sufering comes to an end"... how do you know this?

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Reply from immortal 1
Sep.18.2008
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "

So much of Buddhism, like other religions, is steeped in ritual.  People can come to an erroneous conclusion that that is what the religion is about.  It is not. 

These things just help one to focus until they finally can see past the ritual to the heart of the matter.

Then suffering comes to an end.

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"then sufering comes to an end"... how do you know this?

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It has for me.  What is behind Buddhism?  Buddha. 

So if practicing Buddhism will help someone to understand Buddha then the effort is not wasted, and eventually their suffering will end, or at least diminish.

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Reply from Lynnoh
Sep.18.2008
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So much of Buddhism, like other religions, is steeped in ritual.  People can come to an erroneous conclusion that that is what the religion is about.  It is not. 

These things just help one to focus until they finally can see past the ritual to the heart of the matter.

Then suffering comes to an end.

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"then sufering comes to an end"... how do you know this?

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It has for me.  What is behind Buddhism?  Buddha. 

So if practicing Buddhism will help someone to understand Buddha then the effort is not wasted, and eventually their suffering will end, or at least diminish.

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oh, if this is so..I'm happy, very happy for you  :)

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Reply from -----0
Sep.18.2008
03:38PM EDT 
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Quote: "Can anyone tell me how Buddhists grow if they are trying to avoid suffering?""
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Grow? You were completely perfect already before you were born.

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Reply from 77 zen ror
Sep.18.2008
10:21PM EDT 
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vertical line You understand it. Buy the 8 fold path 4 noble turth. Growth is given compassion to the suffering at hand. You have to know it befor you can let go of it.
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Reply from juliocm
Sep.19.2008
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vertical line "I Suffering"  alone is a selfish thought. Every minute, every second in time the world suffers. Some suffering is noticeable some is not, But if it makes it any easier prepare to suffer more  because with time things can only  get worst. time is nobodies friend. I would say the the secret is letting go. Dont become too attached. WHEN WE SUFFER  WE SUFFER,WHEN WE LAUGH WE LAUGH. Thats all. Thats life. enjoy it!
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Reply from Bluerose
Sep.19.2008
04:05AM EDT 
vertical line We don’t have to do either. …….. But laughing is fun.
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Reply from juliocm
Sep.19.2008
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vertical line Being very honest, now that i look back, Its in part my suffering that has given definition to my life. I was born in a third world country. Starved, Homeless, Parentless, Some of my favorite memories come from that time. I LAUGHED AND HAD FUN WHILE I SUFFERED. Suffering makes you appreciate things a little more. Life without suffering would be boring.(Except suffering of medical conditions which i cant justify and my heart goes out to those whom suffer of any.) 
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Reply from -----0
Sep.20.2008
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Quote: "Being very honest, now that i look back, Its in part my suffering that has given definition to my life. I was born in a third world country. Starved, Homeless, Parentless, Some of my favorite memories come from that time. I LAUGHED AND HAD FUN WHILE I SUFFERED. Suffering makes you appreciate things a little more. Life without suffering would be boring.(Except suffering of medical conditions which i cant justify and my heart goes out to those whom suffer of any.) "
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Could you explain a bit more, what kind of laughter that was? 

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Reply from immortal 1
Sep.20.2008
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Quote: "You understand it. Buy the 8 fold path 4 noble turth. Growth is given compassion to the suffering at hand. You have to know it befor you can let go of it."
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If you struggle to learn compassion you will have to struggle to unlearn it again later.

Values and value judgements must be shed eventually if you are to be true to your buddha nature.

I killed today, a spider, because I saw it to be of a dangerous kind. Fiddleback.  Usually I give spiders 'a ride outside'.  It was no less to me than killing a human, which I have also had occaision to do.  I had sufficient reason.  That's all.

In Zen it is said that the rat does not steal and the cat does not murder.  Each simply acts according to its buddha nature.

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Reply from IZIZIZ
Sep.20.2008
07:37AM EDT 
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I dont know because I am a realist not a buddhist.

Let me tell you a little about the realist.

THE REALIST

I know myself and all that exists to be the one thing.

There is only one reality.

Non-reality does not exist.

All is The Great Paradox.

This is when the one thing, such as reality, stands alone not in contrast to anything else.

Because it is its own contrast.

As you see in ‘the you’ and ‘the me’.

And yet this we see in the ONE reality.

I am reality.

I am that I am.

Nothing more.

Nothing less.

No need for a belief in a god.

Reality knows no death.

No-thing-ness.

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Reply from juliocm
Sep.20.2008
04:12PM EDT 
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vertical line Freedom. playing in the woods, the mountains and rivers where ours.Ignorant of our abandonment, If we were hungry we fished or took fruit from a local field. My love for nature began there. I was a better buddhist then that I am now because I was at peace with my suffering. My suffering and happiness is one now as was then. One leads to the other, and neither one can exist  without the other. Or so I think, always keeping in mind that i dont know more than anyonelse and I deeply value everyones opinion and experience in regard to the subject. This is merely my experience in regard to suffering and how I made the best of it.
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