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vertical line Posted on Sep.16.2008 @ 05:45PM EDT by tyavfm

Can anyone tell me how following Buddhism to end our own sufferings can not be seen as being absolutely selfish?

Thank you.  


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Reply from Snibbler
Sep.16.2008
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vertical line Because it is the best gift you can give those that care about you?..
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Reply from 9999999
Sep.16.2008
07:17PM EDT 
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vertical line It is an absolutely selfish activity. The problem of suffering seems to be caused by the assumption that there is a "self". Following Buddhism just adds to programming(ideas) and reinforces a conceptual self.

All of your actions and thoughts are done for this "self" you assume to have--but there isn't one. 'you' will never be satisfied in that regard.

Satisfying 'wants' while at the same time hoping for lasting satisfaction can be likened to trying to fill a strainer with sand. It will never be enough and you'll always be asking to be topped off for whatever the cost.


The body has zero interest in anything "you" have an interest in. It does not want to exercise, diet, take your drugs, marry your partners, selflessly serve others, care about god, meditate, do yoga, hold it's breath, look at one spot on the wall, or care about anything else. The survival of the body and of everything else in nature depends on it being selfish. I'm not talking about selfish on an intellectual level (i.e. What can I get out of this?). I simply mean that it functions selfishly.

How does this sit with you?
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Reply from 9999999
Sep.16.2008
07:25PM EDT 
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vertical line Also, consider that even though it is a selfish activity, there is no 'self' as such carrying out actions and making decisions. That self is an idea, as well as the idea that there are actions and decisions going on at all.

I have no way of telling myself that these things are happening. I might tell someone else that "I am posting on zenguide" or someone might look at me and say "he is posting on zenguide" but really no such thing is going on. It is through the answers and knowledge that is programmed here(this body) that one can ask and answer questions. I cannot program myself :P (a child cannot teach itself language it doesn't know)
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Sep.16.2008
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vertical line Looks to me like words and thinking get in the way of attaining the great aim.  I wonder if that fact makes room for faith.
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Sep.16.2008
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vertical line What great aim can be attained? Is it not already so?
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Sep.16.2008
09:41PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "What great aim can be attained? Is it not already so?"
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Will you answer and elaborate? If it seems like I'm lobbing abstractions at you, I am not.
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Reply from immortal 1
Sep.17.2008
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Its okay to be selfish.

Its okay to be yourself.  To find your Buddha Nature and to be that is a very great accomplishment.

Know thyself.

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Reply from immortal 1
Sep.17.2008
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Quote: "Looks to me like words and thinking get in the way of attaining the great aim.  I wonder if that fact makes room for faith."
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Trust in yourself is good.  Faith is better.

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Reply from IZIZIZ
Sep.17.2008
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Suffering is an experience just like any other experience.

You need to know this and look into why it may be pre-dominant at any time.

Following buddhism to end our own suffering is just another experience.

Asking the question,

Can anyone tell me how following Buddhism to end our own sufferings can not be seen as being absolutely selfish?

Is another experience.

And so on.

What does it feel like to look for answers to questions?

What are you being whilst being?

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Reply from 9999999
Sep.17.2008
12:13PM EDT 
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Suffering is an experience just like any other experience.


You need to know this and look into why it may be pre-dominant at any time.


Following buddhism to end our own suffering is just another experience.


Asking the question,


Can anyone tell me how following Buddhism to end our own sufferings can not be seen as being absolutely selfish?


Is another experience.


And so on.


What does it feel like to look for answers to questions?


What are you being whilst being?

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greedy
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Reply from Lynnoh
Sep.17.2008
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vertical line have you ever noticed that you cannot repond to the "orginal post" once it has been responded to? you know like you ca with all the rest?
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Reply from -----0
Sep.18.2008
03:01PM EDT 
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Quote: "Can anyone tell me how following Buddhism to end our own sufferings can not be seen as being absolutely selfish?"
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No need to take it so seriously.
Just be with your original mind and not with selfishness and suffering.

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Reply from Bluerose
Sep.19.2008
03:13AM EDT 
vertical line It is not selfishness to want to improve the quality of your life and the life of those around you.
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Reply from IZIZIZ
Sep.20.2008
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Is every question or comment not a revelation of attachment?

The only time that you are not attached is when you are dead.

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Reply from emancipate
Sep.21.2008
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Can anyone tell me how following Buddhism to end our own sufferings can not be seen as being absolutely selfish?

Thank you. 

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I dunno. Can anyone tell me how to walk without stepping on the ground?

The Buddha often used fourfold negation to explain things:

It is not true that there is no foot and it is not true that there is a foot. It is not true that there is both a foot and no foot. It is not true that there is neither a foot nor is there no foot.

It is not true that there is no ground and it is not true that there is a ground. It is not true that there is both a ground and no ground. It is not true that there is neither a ground nor is there no ground.

I think that makes everything clear.

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Reply from seeker2154
Oct.12.2008
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Only when you have learned to end your suffering.. are you able to help others end there's,  Compassion grows from true self-love(not vanity)

In this way the world can be changed,  one person at a time. What may seem as selfish turns out to be quite the opposite

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Reply from Doreen
Oct.12.2008
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vertical line You cannot take care of another if you don't take care of yourself.  If we are all one - isn't it necessary to be compassionate to ourselves in order to be compassionate to others?
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Reply from lehish
Oct.12.2008
10:34PM EDT 
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Only when you have learned to end your suffering.. "
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ceasing  ideaing there's a suffer cannot be learned

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Reply from lehish
Oct.12.2008
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Quote: "You cannot take care of another if you don't take care of yourself.  If we are all one - isn't it necessary to be compassionate to ourselves in order to be compassionate to others?"
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as long as there's imagining yourself-others compassion will remain an idea

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Oct.12.2008
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Quote: "You cannot take care of another if you don't take care of yourself.  If we are all one - isn't it necessary to be compassionate to ourselves in order to be compassionate to others?"
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as long as there's imagining yourself-others compassion will remain an idea

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Perhaps.  But I like this idea.

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Oct.13.2008
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Quote: "You cannot take care of another if you don't take care of yourself.  If we are all one - isn't it necessary to be compassionate to ourselves in order to be compassionate to others?"
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as long as there's imagining yourself-others compassion will remain an idea


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Perhaps.  But I like this idea.

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hohoehehehe :)))))
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Oct.13.2008
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Quote: "You cannot take care of another if you don't take care of yourself.  If we are all one - isn't it necessary to be compassionate to ourselves in order to be compassionate to others?"
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as long as there's imagining yourself-others compassion will remain an idea

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Perhaps.  But I like this idea.

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ok

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Oct.13.2008
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Quote: "have you ever noticed that you cannot repond to the "orginal post" once it has been responded to? you know like you ca with all the rest?"
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Because in reality it is all the same.

Its all about another experience, thats all.

Bring me something outside of experience so that we can post it and  discuss it.

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Reply from IZIZIZ
Oct.13.2008
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Suffering is an experience just like any other experience.


You need to know this and look into why it may be pre-dominant at any time.


Following buddhism to end our own suffering is just another experience.


Asking the question,


Can anyone tell me how following Buddhism to end our own sufferings can not be seen as being absolutely selfish?


Is another experience.


And so on.


What does it feel like to look for answers to questions?


What are you being whilst being?

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greedy "
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greedy
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Please tell me what you mean by greedy?

I am not really comprehending the greed matter.

With respect.

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Oct.13.2008
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Quote: "have you ever noticed that you cannot repond to the "orginal post" once it has been responded to? you know like you ca with all the rest?"
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Because in reality it is all the same.

Its all about another experience, thats all.

Bring me something outside of experience so that we can post it and  discuss it.

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hahahahaha

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Reply from 9999999
Oct.13.2008
01:52PM EDT 
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vertical line when you were young, before you knew your name, beliefs did not separate you from the world around you

the 'imaginary self' was not in operation

then your family drilled it into you

then you started acting in reference to your 'self'

keeping away from the 'bad' label and trying to get the 'good' label

loving to get what you want

always wanting more

and hating what you dont want

and it's never enough

there's always something to do tomorrow

becoming a better child
a better student
a better churchgoer
a better friend
a better parent
more in-touch with love
more spiritual
more friendly
more enlightened
more selfless
having nicer things
having more friends
more money

and

all the problems are about you

you dont have enough
people dont respect you
they take things from you
they make you do things you dont want
they dont believe what you believe
they're so ignorant compared to you!
and this makes you angry and unsatisfied

everything you think about doing, everything you think about, and everything you do is for yourself

you're always scheming to manipulate others so you can get what you want at the least expense to you

but you're pulling your own leg and you're trying to pull everyone else's leg about 'you'

because there isnt one, 'you' do not exist except as a belief

so 'greed' and 'manipulating' and 'getting what you want' are used as concepts because it puts an uncomfortable spotlight on this "you" and what it does. people do not like them because for some reason they have bad connotations (STOP CALLING ME GREEDY! I'M NOT GREEDY! :P). but for whose benefit is it for you to act 'selflessly' 'for others'? all it means is that OTHER people can get what they want out of you at a fraction of the cost to them.

but it just means "you" do everything for your own sake

and i'm not saying that it should be otherwise--i'm just calling it....

not that it should be any other way


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Oct.13.2008
02:02PM EDT 
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vertical line it can be said that most of us are here because we are more greedy than the rest of 'them'. we did not accept whatever beliefs culture passed down to us and we do this thing that we do so we can know the truth for ourselves. at what cost?

Alan is willing to kill all the fish in the sea just so he can run this website

i was willing to alienate my friends and family
starve my body
sit in stupid, uncomfortable postures
meditate
read books
meet gurus
yada yada yada

all for my own sake

what was it that i thought i would do when i was enlightened?
what was i going to do with it?

i did not consider those questions because i was fooling myself and fooling everyone around me

somewhere down the line i started being honest with myself--has doing this things brought me any closer to my goals or am i just pretending? am i satisfied with what I have and how far I have come? i am totally full of beliefs and ideas that are not even mine--they we're either adopted or programmed. who benefits? as long as i'm playing this game, i get to feel cool about all the stuff i know and the gurus and holy hookers can take my money

then, all of a sudden

BAM

####! THERE ISN'T A SELF.
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Oct.13.2008
02:04PM EDT 
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Quote: "have you ever noticed that you cannot repond to the "orginal post" once it has been responded to? you know like you ca with all the rest?"
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Because in reality it is all the same.


Its all about another experience, thats all.


Bring me something outside of experience so that we can post it and  discuss it.

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if you want something outside of 'experience' then please, go get it yourself--dont ask lehish.

;P~
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Oct.13.2008
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Oct.13.2008
03:22PM EDT 
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the post was responding:

Quote: "when you were young, before you knew your name, beliefs did not separate you from the world around you

the 'imaginary self' was not in operation

then your family drilled it into you

then you started acting in reference to your 'self'

keeping away from the 'bad' label and trying to get the 'good' label

loving to get what you want

always wanting more

and hating what you dont want

and it's never enough

there's always something to do tomorrow

becoming a better child
a better student
a better churchgoer
a better friend
a better parent
more in-touch with love
more spiritual
more friendly
more enlightened
more selfless
having nicer things
having more friends
more money

and

all the problems are about you

you dont have enough
people dont respect you
they take things from you
they make you do things you dont want
they dont believe what you believe
they're so ignorant compared to you!
and this makes you angry and unsatisfied

everything you think about doing, everything you think about, and everything you do is for yourself

you're always scheming to manipulate others so you can get what you want at the least expense to you

but you're pulling your own leg and you're trying to pull everyone else's leg about 'you'

because there isnt one, 'you' do not exist except as a belief

so 'greed' and 'manipulating' and 'getting what you want' are used as concepts because it puts an uncomfortable spotlight on this "you" and what it does. people do not like them because for some reason they have bad connotations (STOP CALLING ME GREEDY! I'M NOT GREEDY! :P). but for whose benefit is it for you to act 'selflessly' 'for others'? all it means is that OTHER people can get what they want out of you at a fraction of the cost to them.

but it just means "you" do everything for your own sake

and i'm not saying that it should be otherwise--i'm just calling it....

not that it should be any other way


"
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Oct.13.2008
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vertical line Hmmm... like, if you go the other way, doing only what is best for you`re self and you`re own happiness, I guess you`d still end up at the same place if you go seriouse at it?..
Regardless of us liking it or not, we still seek as much "happiness" from life as possible
I would guess, why on earth not?
I guess teachings about selfishness, self sacrifice and servitude to others can never compete with the sheer joy of making someone utterly happy. Each has to realize for himself what makes one happy I guess. But who the guess cares..
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Quote: "Hmmm... like, if you go the other way, doing only what is best for you`re self and you`re own happiness, I guess you`d still end up at the same place if you go seriouse at it?..
Regardless of us liking it or not, we still seek as much "happiness" from life as possible
I would guess, why on earth not?
I guess teachings about selfishness, self sacrifice and servitude to others can never compete with the sheer joy of making someone utterly happy. Each has to realize for himself what makes one happy I guess. But who the guess cares..
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just got my kids an xbox 360 and a python snake. now im just about broke. oh well. made em happy.

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Not by me I cant decide, side by sided.
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Oct.14.2008
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I am a tree in the most usual ways
In day I am all light, by night a home but with  "outta sight " ( a contradiction )
of bugs with appetite
who treat me well, and treat me right
their bodies swell with rainfalls might
i wone, put up, a fight
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Oct.14.2008
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Oct.15.2008
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the post was responding:

Quote: "when you were young, before you knew your name, beliefs did not separate you from the world around you

the 'imaginary self' was not in operation

then your family drilled it into you

then you started acting in reference to your 'self'

keeping away from the 'bad' label and trying to get the 'good' label

loving to get what you want

always wanting more

and hating what you dont want

and it's never enough

there's always something to do tomorrow

becoming a better child
a better student
a better churchgoer
a better friend
a better parent
more in-touch with love
more spiritual
more friendly
more enlightened
more selfless
having nicer things
having more friends
more money

and

all the problems are about you

you dont have enough
people dont respect you
they take things from you
they make you do things you dont want
they dont believe what you believe
they're so ignorant compared to you!
and this makes you angry and unsatisfied

everything you think about doing, everything you think about, and everything you do is for yourself

you're always scheming to manipulate others so you can get what you want at the least expense to you

but you're pulling your own leg and you're trying to pull everyone else's leg about 'you'

because there isnt one, 'you' do not exist except as a belief

so 'greed' and 'manipulating' and 'getting what you want' are used as concepts because it puts an uncomfortable spotlight on this "you" and what it does. people do not like them because for some reason they have bad connotations (STOP CALLING ME GREEDY! I'M NOT GREEDY! :P). but for whose benefit is it for you to act 'selflessly' 'for others'? all it means is that OTHER people can get what they want out of you at a fraction of the cost to them.

but it just means "you" do everything for your own sake

and i'm not saying that it should be otherwise--i'm just calling it....

not that it should be any other way


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You cannot do anything outside of reality.

You cannot know anything outside of experience.

This reality experience is you.

You are you. All is you. You are all.

Greed is an experience. Happiness is another experience.

Both are being. Being cant be without you at its centre. You are the centre.

Be you or dont be you , both are an experience.

You are paradox. All is paradox.

Paradox is as greedy as much as it is not.

What is the experience of one considering ones self knowledge to be a gravitational act of greed.

I personally would not like to experience myself as this.

And I dont that that I am being greedy by saying so.

Where is the greed in emptyness. Where is the greed in nothingness.

What are you?

Regards.

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Oct.15.2008
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the post was responding:


Quote: "when you were young, before you knew your name, beliefs did not separate you from the world around you

the 'imaginary self' was not in operation

then your family drilled it into you

then you started acting in reference to your 'self'

keeping away from the 'bad' label and trying to get the 'good' label

loving to get what you want

always wanting more

and hating what you dont want

and it's never enough

there's always something to do tomorrow

becoming a better child
a better student
a better churchgoer
a better friend
a better parent
more in-touch with love
more spiritual
more friendly
more enlightened
more selfless
having nicer things
having more friends
more money

and

all the problems are about you

you dont have enough
people dont respect you
they take things from you
they make you do things you dont want
they dont believe what you believe
they're so ignorant compared to you!
and this makes you angry and unsatisfied

everything you think about doing, everything you think about, and everything you do is for yourself

you're always scheming to manipulate others so you can get what you want at the least expense to you

but you're pulling your own leg and you're trying to pull everyone else's leg about 'you'

because there isnt one, 'you' do not exist except as a belief

so 'greed' and 'manipulating' and 'getting what you want' are used as concepts because it puts an uncomfortable spotlight on this "you" and what it does. people do not like them because for some reason they have bad connotations (STOP CALLING ME GREEDY! I'M NOT GREEDY! :P). but for whose benefit is it for you to act 'selflessly' 'for others'? all it means is that OTHER people can get what they want out of you at a fraction of the cost to them.

but it just means "you" do everything for your own sake

and i'm not saying that it should be otherwise--i'm just calling it....

not that it should be any other way


"
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"
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"
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You cannot do anything outside of reality.


You cannot know anything outside of experience.


This reality experience is you.


You are you. All is you. You are all.


Greed is an experience. Happiness is another experience.


Both are being. Being cant be without you at its centre. You are the centre.


Be you or dont be you , both are an experience.


You are paradox. All is paradox.


Paradox is as greedy as much as it is not.


What is the experience of one considering ones self knowledge to be a gravitational act of greed.


I personally would not like to experience myself as this.


And I dont that that I am being greedy by saying so.


Where is the greed in emptyness. Where is the greed in nothingness.


What are you?


Regards.

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didnt say there is greed in emptiness/nothingness

; P

would be being dishonest to you if i said "i know what I am"
would be being dishonest to you if i said "i can't/don't know what I am"

it is irrelevant/nonsensical
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Reply from IZIZIZ
Oct.15.2008
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What is there outside of emptyness/nothingness?

If paradox is not there, there is no paradox.

If paradox is there, there is paradox.

If you want to know what you are, look out the window.

If you want to know what you are not, look out the window.

Dont be defensive. We are chatting. No stress.

We reveal when we post.

I dont care.

Im good with me.

Im good with you too.

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Oct.15.2008
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Reply from immortal 1
Oct.15.2008
06:24AM EDT 
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What is there in nothingness to experience nothingness?

Whatever that is, how could it ever not be selfish?

So Buddhism is all about being selfish, in a good way.

Its by being selfish that we end suffering.

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Reply from 9999999
Oct.15.2008
07:14AM EDT 
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What is there in nothingness to experience nothingness?


Whatever that is, how could it ever not be selfish?


So Buddhism is all about being selfish, in a good way.


Its by being selfish that we end suffering.

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:))
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Reply from IZIZIZ
Oct.15.2008
07:42AM EDT 
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Maybe a new word is needed instead of greed or selfish.

Maybe the experience of     SELFING.

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Reply from 9999999
Oct.15.2008
03:31PM EDT 
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vertical line ~~but i get such a kick out of using greed!~~
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Reply from Snibbler
Oct.15.2008
04:23PM EDT 
vertical line Thump Thump  Thump... DUKKHA! "GGGRRRAAAAOOOOLLLLHHH" Thump Thump  Thump
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Reply from lehish
Oct.16.2008
10:13PM EDT 
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What is there in nothingness to experience nothingness?

Whatever that is, how could it ever not be selfish?

So Buddhism is all about being selfish, in a good way.

Its by being selfish that we end suffering.

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:)

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Oct.16.2008
10:13PM EDT 
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Maybe a new word is needed instead of greed or selfish.

Maybe the experience of     SELFING.

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:)

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Reply from 9999999
Oct.16.2008
11:14PM EDT 
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Maybe a new word is needed instead of greed or selfish.


Maybe the experience of     SELFING.

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call it what you please
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Reply from lehish
Oct.16.2008
11:23PM EDT 
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d i n g  d i n g

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Reply from DragonDame
Oct.17.2008
08:33PM EDT 
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vertical line it is not selfish, because to seek to end suffering and obsession with one's self, one begins to look outward at others and then seeks to help them - not for the Self, but for THEM. Because suffering is Ego. To give it up, is to look outward into the world and help those who seek it.
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Reply from 9999999
Oct.17.2008
09:16PM EDT 
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you are doing that for your own sake is all i am saying..huh?'greedy'
'selfish'

i get a kick out of it..huh?
'entertainment'
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Reply from immortal 1
Oct.18.2008
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Quote: "it is not selfish, because to seek to end suffering and obsession with one's self, one begins to look outward at others and then seeks to help them - not for the Self, but for THEM. Because suffering is Ego. To give it up, is to look outward into the world and help those who seek it. "
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That is so sweet.  What a sentiment.

But the bottom line is, you're the only here, and everything you do is selfish.

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Reply from shayne
Oct.18.2008
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Quote: "it is not selfish, because to seek to end suffering and obsession with one's self, one begins to look outward at others and then seeks to help them - not for the Self, but for THEM. Because suffering is Ego. To give it up, is to look outward into the world and help those who seek it. "
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That is so sweet.  What a sentiment.

But the bottom line is, you're the only here, and everything you do is selfish.

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obviousally you dont have children.

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Reply from Woodsman
Oct.18.2008
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Reply from ______
Oct.18.2008
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Quote: "it is not selfish, because to seek to end suffering and obsession with one's self, one begins to look outward at others and then seeks to help them - not for the Self, but for THEM. Because suffering is Ego. To give it up, is to look outward into the world and help those who seek it. "
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That is so sweet.  What a sentiment.


But the bottom line is, you're the only here, and everything you do is selfish.

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No, no, you wronged DragonDame - that can't be right - you put your bottom on an imaginary line - if DragonDame is the only here then who the stella are you?
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