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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: KRISHNAMURTI
vertical line Posted on Sep.16.2008 @ 11:42PM EDT by Bluerose
Anyone interested in checking this out and discussing it? .. .. .. .. Krishnamurti http://jkrishnamurti.ning.com/ . . . Check out the talk on the left hand side.
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Sep.16.2008
11:55PM EDT 
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vertical line ok
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Sep.17.2008
12:30AM EDT 
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vertical line What about this would you like to discuss?
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Reply from emancipate
Sep.17.2008
08:27AM EDT 
vertical line Was this in the sutras? ;)

Apes become men. Men become computers.

Men are better than apes. But, overall, they both suck.

(Is the "mechanical consciousness" distinction warranted? Also, don't like his use of the word "outstrip".)

Best part: "Thought has created extraordinary things".
Worst part: "Thought has invented religions".

It all comes down to one question: "where do you want to go today?"

I think the answer is clear: plug me in and stimulate my pleasure receptors. And thus I expounded on the purpose of life.

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Reply from Bluerose
Sep.17.2008
08:31AM EDT 
vertical line Do you understand what he is trying to put across? And if you do, what is it that is beyond energy if energy is nothing and everything?
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Reply from shayne
Sep.17.2008
10:10AM EDT 
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nothing is beyond energy.

and energy is nothingness.

what we are made of.

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Sep.17.2008
10:23AM EDT 
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Worst part: "Thought has invented religions".

it has.

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Reply from emancipate
Sep.17.2008
10:45AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Do you understand what he is trying to put across? And if you do, what is it that is beyond energy if energy is nothing and everything?"
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Old-timers usually have the best stories to tell.
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Reply from -----0
Sep.18.2008
02:51PM EDT 
vertical line Krishnamurti, the angry old man
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Reply from Bluerose
Sep.18.2008
03:11PM EDT 
vertical line "Old-timers usually have the best stories to tell." . . . "Krishnamurti, the angry old man." . . . . Is that all he is?
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Reply from -----0
Sep.18.2008
03:35PM EDT 
vertical line He is much more, I suppose. But that's all I remember about him.
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Reply from Bluerose
Sep.19.2008
03:38AM EDT 
vertical line He seems very passionate about what he thinks. Not sure I understand all he talks about. I'm going to read some more and then decide.
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Reply from -----0
Sep.19.2008
09:52AM EDT 
vertical line Basically he says don't listen to anybody, stay true to your own experience
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Reply from Bluerose
Sep.19.2008
07:43PM EDT 
vertical line I watched a video, and listen as he said that knowledge and ambition and everything else was all pointless.
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Reply from shayne
Sep.19.2008
08:33PM EDT 
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hmmmmmmmmmm.

knowledge is accumulated.

wisdom is let go.

in other words wisdom is seeing things as they arise when they arise. wisdom is seeing things as they are.

ambition is having an eye on the furture instead of the ever present now.

but one must prepare for the future. its good. so i dont feel this to be good. but to be unhappy cause your not successful is another story.

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Reply from Bluerose
Sep.20.2008
03:37AM EDT 
vertical line I have now read quite a bit on Krishnamurti and agree, he was not ... satisfied (??) ... with his own … answers (??) ... or anyone else's. I feel he will continue to incarnate until he ... finds (??) ... peace (??).
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Sep.20.2008
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Quote: "I have now read quite a bit on Krishnamurti and agree, he was not ... satisfied (??) ... with his own … answers (??) ... or anyone else's. I feel he will continue to incarnate until he ... finds (??) ... peace (??). "
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as if analysis can accurate ?

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Reply from emancipate
Sep.22.2008
02:36AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "I watched a video, and listen as he said that knowledge and ambition and everything else was all pointless. "
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Is that the best way to skin a cat?
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Reply from zen-zen
Sep.25.2008
03:14PM EDT 
vertical line I bought many of krishnamurti's books during my last trip to India. Very enjoyable reading I think. I think he was mostly concerned about other people and their thinking but not so much about his own. He seemed to be very content with his own mind, but had some kind of a desire to help others to think on their own and find their own path. I have to admit that I think highly of mr. Krishnamurti.
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Reply from Bluerose
Sep.25.2008
04:48PM EDT 
vertical line And what of the scandal of him sleeping with his best friends wife?
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Sep.25.2008
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didn't see a scandal when reading books j krishnamurti

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Reply from Bluerose
Sep.25.2008
07:51PM EDT 
vertical line U.G. Krishnamurti (no relation) was a good friend of krishnamurti but they had a falling out and UG talks of krishnamurti's affair while being interviewed (youtube). Don't know all the details. Don't care. Still reading and trying to decide which one of them all I like to listen to the most. lol
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Reply from zen-zen
Oct.06.2008
02:27PM EDT 
vertical line I was referring to mister K's writings and talks. If you would like to understand better then I'd suggest you direct your arrow of attention to the contents of Mr K's writings.
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Reply from J onah
Oct.09.2008
08:39AM EDT 
vertical line For the benefit of Mr K, I don't have the time to read this thread in its entirety. Mr Jiddu, or Mr UGGY, forget them, be rid of them both.
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Reply from Bluerose
Oct.11.2008
01:05PM EDT 
vertical line I think so too. Moving on.
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Reply from nowornever
Jan.07.2012
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vertical line is it possible co connect zen and K in practice and get enlightenment?
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Reply from DesertZen
Jan.09.2012
06:38AM EDT 
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vertical line No.  You already have it; nothing to "get."
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Jan.09.2012
09:01AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "No.  You already have it; nothing to "get." "
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No.
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Jan.09.2012
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vertical line Quote: "is it possible co connect zen and K in practice and get enlightenment? "
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That depends on what it is you're trying to get, and what it is you think you're connecting.
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Jan.09.2012
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Quote: "is it possible co connect zen and K in practice and get enlightenment? "
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Dont worry, when the time is right for you,

You will know where to find you.

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Reply from nowornever
Jan.17.2012
03:19PM EDT 
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vertical line Mr UGGY got enlightenment while sitting a bench and listening to Mr Jiddu's public talk.
So J gave transmission to Uggy and died.
Before Mr UGGY died who had he given the transmission to?
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Jan.17.2012
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vertical line Quote: " Mr UGGY got enlightenment while sitting a bench and listening to Mr Jiddu's public talk.
So J gave transmission to Uggy and died.
Before Mr UGGY died who had he given the transmission to?
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to mr. nowornever, right?
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Jan.17.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: " Mr UGGY got enlightenment while sitting a bench and listening to Mr Jiddu's public talk.
So J gave transmission to Uggy and died.
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Haha..
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Reply from starduster
Jan.18.2012
05:19AM EDT 
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My father was doing his hospice at my house, dying of cancer some years ago.

I could *feel* his fear of death, aside from hearing it in his words.  But when  I would try to help him to prepare for death, he would tell me to shut up with all my mumbo jumbo.  He was a devout Catholic and did not want to hear any of that metaphysical stuff.

Then one day he said that if there was reincarnation he did not want to be reincarnated any more because it hurts too much to die.  Of course, in my lingo, the only way to stop the revolving wheel of death and rebirth is through awakening.  So, without saying anything to him about it, I asked the Spirit to grant him his wish by giving him awakening.

The next day, Dad was very excitedly telling me that he had met *The We* in his sleep.  I asked, *What do you mean by *The We*, Dad ?*  He said, *I cant explain it.  There is no way to put it into words.*

I said, *I think I may know what you are talking about, Dad.  There is a single consciousness, or awareness, that is behind all of this, and we are all a part of it because it is being everything."  He said, *Yes, thats it exactly.* 

Of course, I have since learned that not everyone experiences awakening in the same way.  But for Dad and I, it was essentially *meeting*  The We, or The One, Braman, God, The Spirit, what have you.  There still isnt a way to put it into words, but that points to it, for us anyway. 

After he became awakend, my Dad and I were able to talk as if it was the first time in our lives.  On the downside, he was no longer afraid to die, and couldnt wait to get on with it, especially since he was enduring great pain.  So within a day or two he began refusing all food and water and was dead just three days after that.  I sat with him and we talked together during that time.  At least we had that time. together.

And then he was gone, although I have seen him in visions since then.

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Reply from nowornever
Jan.18.2012
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vertical line You are a good daughter. I must take care of my parents more now after reading your beautiful story. Experience touches better than quotations. I hope that both Krishnamurtis had such loving companions before their death.
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