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vertical line Posted on Sep.18.2008 @ 08:41AM EDT by IZIZIZ

I am about to revoke and renounce my religion. I was baptised a roman catholic(pedofilia pty ltd)(there is a site that you can google-'revoke and renounce religion'), and I intend to attach my updated version of 'Testament of the realist' to the renunciation.

Also, apart from the above I want to advocate this testament to as many people as I can.

What do you think on both matters?


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Reply from shayne
Sep.18.2008
09:51AM EDT 
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i wouldnt renounce.......

all religions are parital aspects of the whole spectrum of existance.

man looked.

man named.

see PAST the dilusion of the man made religions.

rise above.

respect all religions but see them for what they are.

made.

the only one i have disrespect for is wiccan.

i like some the ideas.

but witchcraft isnt real.

actually sorry.

i take that back.

astral travel, seeing remotely and pyshic ability are part of wiccan as well.

soooooooooooooooooooo.

though i dont know if their any good.

haha.

did you know that the penniel gland is the same gland that is overactive in psychics?

its also the same galnd overactive in bipolar people.

bipolar people are known to be very smart.

my physicatrist says im college material.

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Quote:I am about to revoke and renounce my religion. I was baptised a roman catholic(pedofilia pty ltd)(there is a site that you can google-'revoke and renounce religion'), and I intend to attach my updated version of 'Testament of the realist' to the renunciation.

Also, apart from the above I want to advocate this testament to as many people as I can.

What do you think on both matters?

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this matters to what ?


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Quote:I am about to revoke and renounce my religion. I was baptised a roman catholic(pedofilia pty ltd)(there is a site that you can google-'revoke and renounce religion'), and I intend to attach my updated version of 'Testament of the realist' to the renunciation.

Also, apart from the above I want to advocate this testament to as many people as I can."
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This is not the way to do it

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Reply from Bluerose
Sep.19.2008
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vertical line I agree with the others. This is not the way to do it. If I were you, I would simply move on and let that which I don’t feel the need for anymore simply fall by the wayside. ....... You need to ask yourself, "Why do I feel the need to anounce this to the world and his wife?"
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Reply from immortal 1
Sep.19.2008
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At the age of 14 I refused to go to church anymore (raised Presbyterian).

Then I became an atheist.  But I took up self-hypnosis to work on insomnia and that led me to transcendental meditation.  Also read a lot of books about metaphysics, including books on Zen.

Then I met Jesus, Jehovah, Lucifer, Pan, Freya, and a number of others, real or not, in my meditative adventures, and figured I'd better call myself an agnostic rather than an atheist since I wasn't sure anymore one way or the other.  Better to leave it open.

Then I got Satori, met Buddha, and I haven't had any reason to doubt since.  There really isn't anything to believe in, so what is there to doubt either?  And what difference does it make if someone believes or doubts anyway?  Like you are going to get Brownie Points from God?  Consider that the song "Amazing Grace" was written by a reformed pirate after experiencing an Epiphany, which is the same thing as Satori, or Nirvana, or whatever you want to call it. 

I could be of any religion.  I prefer Buddhism because it best fits my own nature and experiences, and because it is the one that does not say that all the others are wrong.

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Reply from IZIZIZ
Sep.19.2008
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Im not religious.

Religions are beliefs.

Im a realist. As real as paradox is.

Religion, its advocates, its practices and the the religious experience are all negative and detrimental to existance. The proof has been in the pudding and still is.

My hypocracy can only go so far.

For me there needs to be reckoning.

Get up, stand up.

Rock the party.

Im gonna rock the party that rocks the party.

All can dance, or they can go to hell.

 

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Reply from Bluerose
Sep.20.2008
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vertical line I’m not a religious person either. I have explored religion because I felt the need to but I carried on up the ladder and reached a place called understanding - a personal understanding. I don’t need any of these things. I use the term Zen because it helps me to explain where I am now. But I continue to climb.
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Reply from immortal 1
Sep.20.2008
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In Zen it is said that all paths lead to the top of the mountain, but there is only one mountain top.

For those just beginning on the path of self-discovery, religion is a good start.  It can get one going in a single direction, rather than wandering aimlessly.

I suppose in general suffering leads to religion; religion leads to philosophy; philosophy leads to self-discovery, and then there is no more suffering.

What's the difference? If one has pain one suffers, but if one is awakened and has pain one simply endures.  Gautama Buddha probably died painfully due to food poisioning, but he did not suffer, he simply endured his passage into death.

Osho claimed that after awakening he could remember having had millions of lives that led up to it.  I'm not sure if he was bragging or complaining, or neither.  But the path of self-discovery can be a long and winding road.  Its got to start somewhere, and for most I think that is religion.

I'm sure most of us would be amazed to find out how long it took us to get here.

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Reply from -----0
Sep.20.2008
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vertical line Or just open the eyes in a slightly different way, and its all here and now, no growth needed, no path, no top of the mountain.
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Reply from boopoom
Sep.21.2008
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o     servive the pyramid trap.....mostly people spend a lot of money and loose every things just to be on top and someone else always make the gain........ 

:)

i like it....0 

love,boopoom

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Sep.21.2008
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vertical line Quote: "
I am about to revoke and renounce my religion. I was baptised a roman catholic(pedofilia pty ltd)(there is a site that you can google-'revoke and renounce religion'), and I intend to attach my updated version of 'Testament of the realist' to the renunciation.

Also, apart from the above I want to advocate this testament to as many people as I can.

What do you think on both matters?

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God hates you. Looks like you're bound for the fire. ;)

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Reply from IZIZIZ
Sep.23.2008
08:51AM EDT 
vertical line If I had to make a statement on a T-Shirt  about being a zennist or a realist, and not a religionist, what would it be?
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Reply from IZIZIZ
Oct.04.2008
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ITS DONE. 05.10.2008

Sent a set to the parish priest where I was baptised. Sent a set to the Archbishop of the capital city of the state. Both with a revised version of 'Testament of The Realist'.

The set:

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ACTUS FORMALIS DEFECTIONIS AB ECCLESIA CATHOLICA

FORMAL ACT OF DEFECTION FROM THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

 (Cfr. Can. 1086 §1, 1117 & 1124 and any or all other relevant sections)

 

To the Parish priest of the parish of:  

Address:

Date:

 

SUBJECT: Request for formal defection from the Catholic Church

I, the undersigned                                                                                       , born on the date                                                                                                                                         in                                                                                                  and baptised  in the parish of

, formally declare that I make an unequivocal personal, conscious and free decision to leave the Roman Catholic Apostolic Church.

My baptism, made against my will, should be considered null and void. 

I ask that this decision be noted in writing in the baptismal registry as a “defectio ab Ecclesia catholica actu formali” (Formal Act of Defection from the Catholic Church) as per cfr.can.535, §2(and any or all relevant sections).

Please find attached photocopy of  identification document.

Regards,

Signature:

Name:

Address:

D.O.B:   

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                Declaration of De-Baptism, & Renunciation of Religion 

 

Date:

 

To the Parish Priest of:

 

 

After due deliberation, I                                                                     , having been subjected to the Rite of Christian Baptism  in infancy (before reaching an age of consent), hereby publicly revoke any implications of that Rite and renounce the Church that carried it out.

In the name of human reason, I reject all its Creeds and all other such superstition and beliefs - in particular, the perfidious belief that any baby needs to be cleansed by Baptism of alleged "original sin", and the evil power of supposed demons.

I wish to be excluded henceforth from enhanced claims of church membership numbers based on past baptismal statistics used, for example, for the purpose of securing legislative privilege.

I also furthermore revoke all Christian rituals and sacraments and any that I may have received to date and renounce the Church that carried them out.

Please find attached photocopy of identification document.

 


Signature:

 

Name:

Address:

 

D.O.B:

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TESTAMENT OF THE REALIST

 

I know myself and all that exists to be the ONE thing.

 

There is only ONE reality.

 

Non-reality does not exist.

 

All is The Great Paradox.

 

This is the ONE thing, REALITY, standing alone, not in contrast to anything else.

 

It is THIS PARADOX, by BEING its own contrast.

 

As you see in ‘THE YOU’ and ‘THE ME’.

 

And this is what we see in the ONE REALITY.

 

I am reality.

 

I am that I am.

 

Nothing more.

 

Nothing less.

 

No truth or need in religious concepts, or a ‘belief’ in a god.

 

Reality knows no death.

 

No-thing-ness.

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Reply from IZIZIZ
Oct.04.2008
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Hope that they like it.

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Oct.04.2008
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Quote: "I just became a Baptist. And got a real baptism. Then I got baptized in the Spirit. Then, yeah... Now I'm too clean to be a Cartholic. I mean Catholic. Sorry pope. "
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whats the differance?

seems more symbolic then anything.

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Quote: "I just became a Baptist. And got a real baptism. Then I got baptized in the Spirit. Then, yeah... Now I'm too clean to be a Cartholic. I mean Catholic. Sorry pope. "
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whats the differance?

seems more symbolic then anything.

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I did something.
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Oct.05.2008
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vertical line And I learned, that sin, is separation from God. But this is the point that Got me... God is a Father. Or it eventually got me, after all the Goddess/God debate started, trying to assign God with a Gender. Whereas in reality, outside of church doctrine, the word god can be unassigned to the Experience of, no fixed place or time, nor solid, liquid or gas... but energy.  
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Quote: "Or it eventually got me, after all the Goddess/God debate started, trying to assign God with a Gender. Whereas in reality, outside of church doctrine, the word god can be unassigned to the Experience of, no fixed place or time, nor solid, liquid or gas... but energy.   "
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what "of" ?

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Quote: "Or it eventually got me, after all the Goddess/God debate started, trying to assign God with a Gender. Whereas in reality, outside of church doctrine, the word god can be unassigned to the Experience of, no fixed place or time, nor solid, liquid or gas... but energy.   "
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what "o" ?

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Reply from zen-zen
Oct.06.2008
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Oct.06.2008
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vertical line Questions only offer more questions, until, the discursive is released.
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Oct.06.2008
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Quote: "Or it eventually got me, after all the Goddess/God debate started, trying to assign God with a Gender. Whereas in reality, outside of church doctrine, the word god can be unassigned to the Experience of, no fixed place or time, nor solid, liquid or gas... but energy.   "
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this is speculation. arising from the mind.

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Quote: "Or it eventually got me, after all the Goddess/God debate started, trying to assign God with a Gender. Whereas in reality, outside of church doctrine, the word god can be unassigned to the Experience of, no fixed place or time, nor solid, liquid or gas... but energy.   "
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this is speculation. arising from the mind.

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yeah, but I wrote it first
I really have no clue what I'm talking about.
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Oct.06.2008
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god is the everchangiing now.

the immeditate awareness of the enviroment.

is was and always will be.

call god reality.

either way its just a name.

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Oct.06.2008
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Quote: "Shayne is just a word. Just watch. "
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yeah.....just a name.

are you pissed cause i said god is just a word?

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Oct.06.2008
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vertical line no, but god was, he's over it now
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Oct.06.2008
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Quote: "no, but god was, he's over it now "
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and like HOW do you know this?

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Quote: "no, but god was, he's over it now "
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you just beat around the bush and dont admit your pissed at me

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Quote: "Or it eventually got me, after all the Goddess/God debate started, trying to assign God with a Gender. Whereas in reality, outside of church doctrine, the word god can be unassigned to the Experience of, no fixed place or time, nor solid, liquid or gas... but energy.   "
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did say there was an "o" ?

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each time you open your mouth there's an "O" shape.
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Quote: "no, but god was, he's over it now "
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and like HOW do you know this?

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by being observant
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Oct.06.2008
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its yourr own mind there woodsy!

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you just beat around the bush and dont admit your pissed at me

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if you saw a burning bush would you pee on it?

don't tell me, tell it to the bush

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its yourr own mind there woodsy!

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no, I own nothing of God
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Oct.06.2008
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this is a zen site.

no creator.

just creation.

creation created itself.

besides your too hung up on religion.

instead of living it.

oversensitive and worried.

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Oct.07.2008
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Quote: "Is this a relief?"
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Yes. Very, very much so. More than you may imagine.

I could not continue being a hypocrit.

Now though. I may have to cop some flack from indoctrinated hypocrites.

But I tell you. I have had enough.

It is the reckoning for me.

I will respect myself.

I do respect myself.

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Oct.07.2008
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Both matters don't matter.

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ITS DONE. 05.10.2008

Sent a set to the parish priest where I was baptised. Sent a set to the Archbishop of the capital city of the state. Both with a revised version of 'Testament of The Realist'.

The set:

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ACTUS FORMALIS DEFECTIONIS AB ECCLESIA CATHOLICA

FORMAL ACT OF DEFECTION FROM THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

 (Cfr. Can. 1086 §1, 1117 & 1124 and any or all other relevant sections)

To the Parish priest of the parish of:  

Address:

Date:

SUBJECT: Request for formal defection from the Catholic Church

I, the undersigned                                                                                       , born on the date                                                                                                                                         in                                                                                                  and baptised  in the parish of

, formally declare that I make an unequivocal personal, conscious and free decision to leave the Roman Catholic Apostolic Church.

My baptism, made against my will, should be considered null and void. 

I ask that this decision be noted in writing in the baptismal registry as a “defectio ab Ecclesia catholica actu formali” (Formal Act of Defection from the Catholic Church) as per cfr.can.535, §2(and any or all relevant sections).

Please find attached photocopy of  identification document.

Regards,

Signature:

Name:

Address:

D.O.B:   

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                Declaration of De-Baptism, & Renunciation of Religion 

Date:

To the Parish Priest of:

After due deliberation, I                                                                     , having been subjected to the Rite of Christian Baptism  in infancy (before reaching an age of consent), hereby publicly revoke any implications of that Rite and renounce the Church that carried it out.

In the name of human reason, I reject all its Creeds and all other such superstition and beliefs - in particular, the perfidious belief that any baby needs to be cleansed by Baptism of alleged "original sin", and the evil power of supposed demons.

I wish to be excluded henceforth from enhanced claims of church membership numbers based on past baptismal statistics used, for example, for the purpose of securing legislative privilege.

I also furthermore revoke all Christian rituals and sacraments and any that I may have received to date and renounce the Church that carried them out.

Please find attached photocopy of identification document.


Signature:

Name:

Address:

D.O.B:

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TESTAMENT OF THE REALIST

I know myself and all that exists to be the ONE thing.

There is only ONE reality.

Non-reality does not exist.

All is The Great Paradox.

This is the ONE thing, REALITY, standing alone, not in contrast to anything else.

It is THIS PARADOX, by BEING its own contrast.

As you see in ‘THE YOU’ and ‘THE ME’.

And this is what we see in the ONE REALITY.

I am reality.

I am that I am.

Nothing more.

Nothing less.

No truth or need in religious concepts, or a ‘belief’ in a god.

Reality knows no death.

No-thing-ness.

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Ahhh, so you have completed your Act of Defecation.

The Pope will be so pleased.

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Oct.07.2008
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Oct.07.2008
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i dont like his proclamation.....or what ever that word means.

i dont like it.

haha.

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Oct.07.2008
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at one point in time i revoked ALL religions. now i embrace all.

all are tools.

to be dispensed with at the end.

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Oct.07.2008
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vertical line um, tools? I think we might have a problem here, or there, toolwise. Like ya need an anchor! Jesus!!!
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Oct.07.2008
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vertical line Oh hi IZIZI how is it going?
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Oct.07.2008
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I am about to revoke and renounce my religion. I was baptised a roman catholic(pedofilia pty ltd)(there is a site that you can google-'revoke and renounce religion'), and I intend to attach my updated version of 'Testament of the realist' to the renunciation.

Also, apart from the above I want to advocate this testament to as many people as I can.

What do you think on both matters?

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God hates you. Looks like you're bound for the fire. ;)
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God hates you. Looks like you're bound for the fire. ;)
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ohhhhhhhhh

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I am about to revoke and renounce my religion. I was baptised a roman catholic(pedofilia pty ltd)(there is a site that you can google-'revoke and renounce religion'), and I intend to attach my updated version of 'Testament of the realist' to the renunciation.

Also, apart from the above I want to advocate this testament to as many people as I can.

What do you think on both matters?

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God hates you. Looks like you're bound for the fire. ;)
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God hates you. Looks like you're bound for the fire. ;)
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Reply from lehish
Oct.07.2008
05:31PM EDT 
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Quote: "Or it eventually got me, after all the Goddess/God debate started, trying to assign God with a Gender. Whereas in reality, outside of church doctrine, the word god can be unassigned to the Experience of, no fixed place or time, nor solid, liquid or gas... but energy.   "
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what "o" ?

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did say there was an "o" ?

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each time you open your mouth there's an "O" shape.
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each time you open your mouth there's an "O" shape.
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beans onion garlic avacado gassssssss

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Reply from J onah
Oct.09.2008
08:28AM EDT 
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Reply from IZIZIZ
Oct.09.2008
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Jonah. What is the experience of annoyance?

Do you know this experience?

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Reply from J onah
Oct.09.2008
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vertical line Hell, you tell me, you're the renouncer.
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Reply from J onah
Oct.09.2008
09:36AM EDT 
vertical line Guess you won't be telling me after all. Or maybe later, when you've had a look around and a think.
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Reply from IZIZIZ
Oct.10.2008
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That which crows before dawn must be all confused with reality.

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Reply from Woodsman
Oct.10.2008
08:05AM EDT 
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vertical line Flight 222 leaving for New York @ 0500, gate 11,  is now boarding.
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Reply from Woodsman
Oct.10.2008
11:42AM EDT 
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enjoy your flight :  )(
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