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  One day when P'ang layman (740-808)was selling bamboo baskets at the market place of Hung-chou.
Seeing a monk begging alms, he took out a cash and said:
-Can you tell me how to appreciate alms?
The monk had nothing to say.
P'ang... continue...

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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: WOULD THIS BE ACCURATE?
vertical line Posted on Sep.26.2008 @ 05:08AM EDT by Bluerose
Would this be accurate? ......... ......... There is no one waiting to crucify you for making mistakes or wanting nice things in your life. They don’t make this a widely known fact because there are people out there who would simply run a muck. Religious threat is what kept the peasants in line in the middle ages. But we are becoming much more intelligent, much more aware and much more conscious, and able to think, believe and decide for ourselves. The God is dead! Long live the God! The new God - And we are it!
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Reply from IZIZIZ
Sep.26.2008
05:49AM EDT 
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Nice. Appreciate where you are at.

Would like to see the name and concept of god abolished and forgotten.

It keeps ties, unfortunately.

There is a particular religion which is growing like mad at the moment.

It is the sword of the supressed.

You can see why it is growing as such.

If I was forced to eat from a tip and watch my family do so as well, and watch the wealthy rule with corruption everywhere, like in the Philipines for example, I would swear that god is great and cut throats.

Religion, corruption, lack of benevolence. What a ****full world we live in.

Gonna get a t-shirt with'man of zen' printed on it.  

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Reply from immortal 1
Sep.26.2008
08:32AM EDT 
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I've thought a lot about the idea that we are Buddha lately.

Technically it is correct, since there really isn't anything but Buddha.  So what else could you be?  What else could we be?

I see acceptance of that idea in many notable works.  And I agree, we are our own creation, at least in the final analysis.

But I tend to think that belief is also the last bastian of the ego.  The last place for the ego to hide or take refuge.  Because the ego loves self-importance, and what could be more important than being Buddha itself?

Even though I know I am my own creation, I hope to set aside self-importance and be the creation rather than the creator.  I can be the creator again later when the creation has run its course.

So what I am interested in at this juncture is being true to my buddha nature.  When making decisions then it is more important to me to sense out how I feel about doing something than what I logically think I should do.   Then I can be the creation that I created myself to be. 

 

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Reply from shayne
Sep.26.2008
09:42AM EDT 
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yes but each a god. each a microverse within the macroverse.

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Reply from -----0
Sep.26.2008
10:28AM EDT 
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Quote: "But we are becoming much more intelligent, much more aware and much more conscious, and able to think, believe and decide for ourselves"
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being more and more brainwashed by media pollution

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Reply from 9999999
Sep.26.2008
01:39PM EDT 
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vertical line this smells
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Reply from shayne
Sep.26.2008
11:52PM EDT 
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yes but each a god. each a microverse within the macroverse.

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which is to imply nothing really.

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Reply from emancipate
Sep.27.2008
12:19AM EDT 
vertical line Fear (etc) can motivate, but things keep moving... nowhere? ;)

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Reply from juliocm
Sep.27.2008
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vertical line At least in America and the  most advanced nations people are becoming more inttelligent  and civilized but where im from (Michoacan Mexico) execution methods and forms of intimidation get worst by the day. One doesnt have to travel very far to see how beautyfull America is. In mexico some decapitate in monday then go to pray for forgiveness on sunday and they even have a saint protector of drug smuglers and their kind, you find his statues and altars in many households. Funny though when I tell other mexicans im buddhist and dont believe in any particular god they think of it as taboo and sin. Go figure.
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Reply from shayne
Sep.27.2008
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as an egotastical statement.........we are god.

but this is to say we are each god which implies really we are equal anyway.

so drop the god aspect.

and become simply human.

do you understand?

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Reply from shayne
Sep.27.2008
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Quote: "At least in America and the  most advanced nations people are becoming more inttelligent  and civilized but where im from (Michoacan Mexico) execution methods and forms of intimidation get worst by the day. One doesnt have to travel very far to see how beautyfull America is. In mexico some decapitate in monday then go to pray for forgiveness on sunday and they even have a saint protector of drug smuglers and their kind, you find his statues and altars in many households. Funny though when I tell other mexicans im buddhist and dont believe in any particular god they think of it as taboo and sin. Go figure."
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sorry to hear this.

dont press the situation you are buddhist. i wouldnt. not a safe country to expressing your views.

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Reply from immortal 1
Sep.27.2008
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as an egotastical statement.........we are god.

but this is to say we are each god which implies really we are equal anyway.

so drop the god aspect.

and become simply human.

do you understand?

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I suppose you could say it is egotasstical to say you are god. 

(That word needs two S's.)

But you are, and you aren't, at the same time.

Since there is only Buddha, then you are a creative work of Buddha, hence your Buddha Nature, the character and characteristics given to you by Buddha.

So in order to be true to yourself as Buddha, you must be true to your Buddha Nature.  To be the you that you created yourself to be is the proper service of the creation to the creator.

Do you understand?  This is where concrete thinking brings you to the same conclusion as abstract thought. 

Just be what you are.  And just be what you are being.  Same thing.

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Reply from shayne
Sep.27.2008
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it is understood to be just myself.

but without the idea of myself.

this is also understood.

no god here.

just a man in the world.

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Reply from Bluerose
Sep.27.2008
01:16PM EDT 
vertical line I’ve read a lot of what other people think and believe, and I agree with so much of it. What it feels like to me, and I could be wrong, but it seems like we come full circle. We come back to where we were, to simply live this life but much more awake than before.
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Reply from emancipate
Sep.29.2008
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vertical line Quote: "At least in America and the  most advanced nations people are becoming more inttelligent  and civilized but where im from (Michoacan Mexico) execution methods and forms of intimidation get worst by the day. One doesnt have to travel very far to see how beautyfull America is. In mexico some decapitate in monday then go to pray for forgiveness on sunday and they even have a saint protector of drug smuglers and their kind, you find his statues and altars in many households. Funny though when I tell other mexicans im buddhist and dont believe in any particular god they think of it as taboo and sin. Go figure."
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- Bush was a cocaine user.

- 6% ellicit drug users
 (Heard a figure elsewhere: 20% of skilled (educated) adults)
 (http://www.ncjrs.gov/htm/chapter2.htm)

- 33% percent of adults obese:  "America is home to the most obese people in the world." ;)

- 1.5% saving rate. People spending beyond their means. Record low - but about 5 years ago it was still as low as -1%.

- "53 percent of Americans say that religion is very important in their lives," Not sure if this means anything to anyone.

And one for the road:
- 3385 gun-related deaths in the 0-19 age range. (1999)

My favorite for now, though: a government that brings their own economy into depression while only accomplishing to also completely devastate another nation (10 years of sanctions - aka "starvation"... then a war that only cripples the country, and a pull-out probably imminent ;)).

America the beautiful. ;) "People are becoming more intelligent" may be true. Still doesn't impress me.

Heard good things of Germany and Japan, though. Think they might be the real leaders of the world - in terms of enlightenment, civility and efficiency.

... just some facts. ;)

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