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vertical line Posted on Oct.03.2008 @ 09:50AM EDT by shayne

perhaps what the bible refers to as the mythological satan talking to adam and eve in the garden taught them about " mind " and " intelligence " which obscures wisdom and awareness.

so it can be said attention is the great lie.

perhaps this is the secret of the universe.


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What do you mean by 'attention'?

Whats your interpretation?

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attention.

subject and object.

insecurity.

confusion.

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vertical line with an eye on the future man neglects the present.
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Quote: "girls reject you in the past "
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not really...i like kind and compassionate people. opposite of my ex and ex gf. haha.

my gfs have always been lovers and not friends.

but my friends that were girls where friends and not lovers.

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Oct.03.2008
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vertical line are not lovers lovers when lovering? and friends, friends when friending?
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Oct.03.2008
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vertical line All my wants are in a female. Wait!

Alone again. Me and my no desire, just a couple a opposites that don't attract. Rainy day.
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vertical line Earth based religions take no life, at least as long as there is a relationship with the elements there, in the garden. The garden is in the mind also, full of weeds and unwanted pests... all here. The garden of thoughts is also very very basic, we take what we want, the rest we separate from... the us and them, these are mine, those are yours. Until all that is left is bad, the unwanted, the leftover... and that we Give to god, as the father...
                                                                 





                                                            In the name
                                                               

                                                                   of

                                                             the father

                                                                 and

                                                              the son

                                                                 and

                                                         the Holy Spirit

                                                          which brings

                                                              the two

                                                             together

                                                              all men

                                                               equal

                                                                one
                                                          beginning
                                                             middle
                                                                end.
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Oct.03.2008
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–adjective
1. inspiring awe: an awesome sight.


what shayne and woods are is awesome
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                                                               One
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                                               one                            one
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i remember when i was younger pacing the floor back and fourth contemplating the idea of one. i stopped and said wtf is one? never contemplated it before.

here one to me is unifaction and non seperation.

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vertical line One drops the idea of separation from another, the ideal is dropped, one never fades or becomes secondary as from any judgment of any other need to be different at any one given point. The point is, like a star in the night sky, never fixed to any one place, but moving freely as such a tiny minor dot in the collective universe, this one verse, yet the closer one gets to one's true nature, it envelops you, all being, brought back,  into one.

Is 1 as 0.


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Quote: "One drops the idea of separation from another, the ideal is dropped, one never fades or becomes secondary as from any judgment of any other need to be different at any one given point. The point is, like a star in the night sky, never fixed to any one place, but moving freely as such a tiny minor dot in the collective universe, this one verse, yet the closer one gets to one's true nature, it envelops you, all being, brought back,  into one.

Is 1 as 0.


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the collective universe....yeah baby.

the whole.

what we commonly share.

the deep is shallow.

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Oct.03.2008
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vertical line (Clap, clap, clap... Great show guys, great show! Now my part! "hrrrmmmhh")

Show me this fabouled Pain then??

Pain... ..embracing pain?..  Kinda...., running into it, yeah, like head on accepting it.
Take a big bite of this pain really. Try stopping running away, as we boldly face the pain, we are left with a clear sense of.. clearness? Maybe thought of doing things, things in a new light?....... Maybe a thought of "the illusion of pain" or something?... Good pain? Like fear of pain, how pointless is that?

Right view can help tune into right modus... something. Newer easy to see "truth", "feel
truth" if one has the wrong emotional attitude. But knowing one has the wrong attitude is a step forward, now we have something to be changed, accepting every feeling and emotions as it is, leading them.. taking responsible for everything happening.., now, how YOU looks at people.... And the energy you DO send out, even at distance.......

Try focus. Really think of and love Him/ her in you`re heart., hones, serious, feel it,
make an effort and see who takes contact..., or similar experiments..(mentally focus on
someone you like and want to contact you, think open and lovely about the person, but honest... Just giving "free love", no wanting, hopes and wishes maybe, but no trying to
maker some love spell, desire specific possible outcome or such. Just see if people react to how you feel in the hearth... also strong feeling far away. (truthfully I have a dear girlfriend, were are weird synchrony upon sms and phoning each other. I can like be kinda sour on her for a long time. Get in a mellow mode, start thinking of sending sms. And then I receive from her just as I`m about to send.. many times.

(Ps! Been keeping a low profile, get expelled 3 days from the forum for ... something I guess:)
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Quote: "(Clap, clap, clap... Great show guys, great show! Now my part! "hrrrmmmhh")

Show me this fabouled Pain then??

Pain... ..embracing pain?..  Kinda...., running into it, yeah, like head on accepting it.
Take a big bite of this pain really. Try stopping running away, as we boldly face the pain, we are left with a clear sense of.. clearness? Maybe thought of doing things, things in a new light?....... Maybe a thought of "the illusion of pain" or something?... Good pain? Like fear of pain, how pointless is that?

Right view can help tune into right modus... something. Newer easy to see "truth", "feel
truth" if one has the wrong emotional attitude. But knowing one has the wrong attitude is a step forward, now we have something to be changed, accepting every feeling and emotions as it is, leading them.. taking responsible for everything happening.., now, how YOU looks at people.... And the energy you DO send out, even at distance.......

Try focus. Really think of and love Him/ her in you`re heart., hones, serious, feel it,
make an effort and see who takes contact..., or similar experiments..(mentally focus on
someone you like and want to contact you, think open and lovely about the person, but honest... Just giving "free love", no wanting, hopes and wishes maybe, but no trying to
maker some love spell, desire specific possible outcome or such. Just see if people react to how you feel in the hearth... also strong feeling far away. (truthfully I have a dear girlfriend, were are weird synchrony upon sms and phoning each other. I can like be kinda sour on her for a long time. Get in a mellow mode, start thinking of sending sms. And then I receive from her just as I`m about to send.. many times.

(Ps! Been keeping a low profile, get expelled 3 days from the forum for ... something I guess:)
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me and this one girl...woman....were very pyshic with one another. i obsessed over her though and concentrated on her and that alone. now i dont concentrate on her. she told me one night while on her web cam.............looked me straight in the eye and thought at me...................concentrate on your gf.

i screwed up.

we knew each others darkest secrets.

but mine are gone. its the past.

she was wiccan though and dont know if she was " correct " for me. though i must say we shared more in common then seperate. wiccan being another label much like a buddha.

either way............my belief system and my mind got in the way.

i listened also to my head instead of my heart. i had a girlfriend but was in a sour relationship. so instead of listening to my heart well.............you get the picture.

i couldnt control my mind though.......and i think but i am not sure developed the physcosis of bipolar.

haha.

good luck snibbler.............

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vertical line We are expelled into pain, expelled from a state of being between birth and death, incomplete in seeing the two as one at any time. When in the throws of pain there is only falling, where we have lost our wings to fly above this world into heavenly realms, we become blind and push deeper and deeper into the earth of one sound - pain. One place to be, without the thought of change, helpless as an animal, a beast burdened with senses, feelings as real as being with another refusal to be alone.... to be free of any other.
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                                                            In the name
                                                               

                                                                   of

                                                             the father

                                                                 and

                                                              the son

                                                                 and

                                                         the Holy Spirit

                                                          which brings

                                                              the two

                                                             together

                                                              all men

                                                               equal

                                                                one
                                                          beginning
                                                             middle
                                                                end.
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there's a >>> two<<< brought  together as if equal ?

what two ?

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Quote: "The point is, like a star in the night sky, never fixed to any one place, but moving freely as such a tiny minor dot in the collective universe, this one verse, yet the closer one gets to one&apos;s true nature, it envelops you, all being, brought back,  into one.

Is 1 as 0.


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"closer one gets to one's true nature" ...were away ?

what means "back into" ? ...did leave?

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vertical line Quote: "i refuse to be anything but a normal everyday joe."

I hear ya, joe, everyday, normally.
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                                                            In the name
                                                               

                                                                   of

                                                             the father

                                                                 and

                                                              the son

                                                                 and

                                                         the Holy Spirit

                                                          which brings

                                                              the two

                                                             together

                                                              all men

                                                               equal

                                                                one
                                                          beginning
                                                             middle
                                                                end.
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there's a >>> two<<< brought  together as if equal ?

what two ?

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this/that
self/other
to be/not to
good/bad
pretty/ugly
dumb/smart
lehish/asheera

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Quote: "The point is, like a star in the night sky, never fixed to any one place, but moving freely as such a tiny minor dot in the collective universe, this one verse, yet the closer one gets to one&apos;s true nature, it envelops you, all being, brought back,  into one.

Is 1 as 0.


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"closer one gets to one's true nature" ...were away ?

what means "back into" ? ...did leave?

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until now
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Quote: "We are expelled into pain, expelled from a state of being between birth and death, incomplete in seeing the two as one at any time. When in the throws of pain there is only falling, where we have lost our wings to fly above this world into heavenly realms, we become blind and push deeper and deeper into the earth of one sound - pain. One place to be, without the thought of change, helpless as an animal, a beast burdened with senses, feelings as real as being with another refusal to be alone.... to be free of any other. "
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the frig in this house is smallish so bought a little used  frig

the friges are filled with food :)))))

raining

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                                                            In the name
                                                               

                                                                   of

                                                             the father

                                                                 and

                                                              the son

                                                                 and

                                                         the Holy Spirit

                                                          which brings

                                                              the two

                                                             together

                                                              all men

                                                               equal

                                                                one
                                                          beginning
                                                             middle
                                                                end.
"
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there&apos;s a >>> two<<< brought  together as if equal ?

what two ?

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this/that
self/other
to be/not to
good/bad
pretty/ugly
dumb/smart
lehish/asheera
"
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"
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this/that
self/other
to be/not to
good/bad
pretty/ugly
dumb/smart
lehish/asheera
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were apart to bring  together?

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Quote: "The point is, like a star in the night sky, never fixed to any one place, but moving freely as such a tiny minor dot in the collective universe, this one verse, yet the closer one gets to one&apos;s true nature, it envelops you, all being, brought back,  into one.

Is 1 as 0.


"
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"closer one gets to one&apos;s true nature" ...were away ?

what means "back into" ? ...did leave?

"
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until now
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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until now
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ok

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Quote: "Quote: "i refuse to be anything but a normal everyday joe."

I hear ya, joe, everyday, normally.
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is this a good thing or a bad thing?

haha.

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me i have an extreme imagination.

thought god was talking to me again.

its my own voice though.

actually enlightening me.

so i said to myself.

i am this god.

i refuse to believe in the supernatural beyond what is myself.

so its been a wild trip.

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i counteract my imagination with pure logic.

all are expressions emanating from the self though.

so its seen as is.

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vertical line logic is like a suit and tie, and like I wanna barf

but in a virtual way

here... "bbwwwaaaauuhhhhh..."  drip drip

good thing i was outside
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me i have an extreme imagination.

thought god was talking to me again.

its my own voice though.

actually enlightening me.

so i said to myself.

i am this god.

i refuse to believe in the supernatural beyond what is myself.

so its been a wild trip.

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believe "myself" ?

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i counteract my imagination with pure logic."

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what does that thought serve?

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me i have an extreme imagination.

thought god was talking to me again.

its my own voice though.

actually enlightening me.

so i said to myself.

i am this god.

i refuse to believe in the supernatural beyond what is myself.

so its been a wild trip.

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believe "myself" ?

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just an expression.

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better then the alterantive of letting an overactive imagination get the better of me.

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what does that thought serve?

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better then the alterantive of letting an overactive imagination get the better of me.

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as thought can control ? better of what ?

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we can control our own thoughts. or at least they emanate from nowhere. the orgional place. and being rational about my overactive imagination is better then getting carried away by it.

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i just simply realize it all emanates from myself.

and is a lingering last stage that obscures me.

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all he needs is a banjo now
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as thought can control ? better of what ?

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we can control our own thoughts. or at least they emanate from nowhere. the orgional place. and being rational about my overactive imagination is better then getting carried away by it.

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what are fearing so thinking as though can control, is appealing ?

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we can control our own thoughts. or at least they emanate from nowhere. the orgional place. and being rational about my overactive imagination is better then getting carried away by it.


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Well firstly, it's fairly obvious. He's fearing losing control because he wants control. Of everything.

Secondly, the post is abject and deluded nonsense. For example, he says, "we can control our own thoughts"...then goes on to say, "they emanate from nowhere"...so he'd like to think he can control something he has no understanding of.

Thirdly, it's gramatically incorrect and...

Fourthly, I wish I'd never read it.
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we can control our own thoughts. or at least they emanate from nowhere. the orgional place. and being rational about my overactive imagination is better then getting carried away by it.


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Well firstly, it&apos;s fairly obvious. He&apos;s fearing losing control because he wants control. Of everything.

Secondly, the post is abject and deluded nonsense. For example, he says, "we can control our own thoughts"...then goes on to say, "they emanate from nowhere"...so he&apos;d like to think he can control something he has no understanding of.

Thirdly, it&apos;s gramatically incorrect and...

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Well firstly, it&apos;s fairly obvious. He&apos;s fearing losing control because he wants control. Of everything.

Secondly, the post is abject and deluded nonsense. For example, he says, "we can control our own thoughts"...then goes on to say, "they emanate from nowhere"...so he&apos;d like to think he can control something he has no understanding of.

Thirdly, it&apos;s gramatically incorrect and...

Fourthly, I wish I&apos;d never read it.
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your aggressive attitude is out of check.

back off. your not buddhist and dont belong here.

i have no desire to control everything.

and thoughts arise naturally by themselves. i control each one.

and i have complete understanding.

more so then yourself child.

dont forget this.

your a child in my eyes.

hahaha.

little one.

so confused.

i see it in your posts.

you attack everyone here cause your insecure.

hahaha.

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Oct.09.2008
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and you BEST watch what you say cause ill have you arrested and charged.

got it?

good!

control yourself little one.

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Oct.09.2008
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YOU have an aggresive nature.

it obvious to see.

and your insecurity is obvious as well.

hahahahahahhahaha.

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Oct.09.2008
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vertical line You spout nonsense and you heard about projection, so you could talk about it.
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Oct.09.2008
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vertical line The peace stick staff... @ $19.95. Think I left out some 9's.
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Oct.09.2008
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gimmie that stick im gonna smack jonah in the head with it.

hahaha.

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Oct.09.2008
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vertical line I started off with comments about a post. The poster started off with comments about a poster. So, I just joined in. Stick your 9s.
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Oct.09.2008
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Quote: "Oh shut up!"
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thats all you have to say?

is shut up.

do you NEED attention?

is this the problem?

hahaha.

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Oct.09.2008
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vertical line I can see your pointless futility.
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Oct.09.2008
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Quote: "I can see your pointless futility."
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its obvious you want attention.

whats seriously bugging ya little one?

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Oct.09.2008
10:55AM EDT 
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