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  One day the Buddha was asked by the naked ascetic Kassapa:
-Master Gotama, is suffering created by oneself?
The Buddha replied:
-Not so, Kassapa.
-Then, is suffering created by another?
-Not so, Kassapa.
-Then,... continue...

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vertical line Posted on Oct.22.2008 @ 09:27AM EDT by immortal 1

Existentialism is hard to define.  Many philosopher have approached the subject from many angles.  It is pretty much the idea that you are a happenstance of nature, so do not try to figure it out, just do the best you can to survive and thrive.

Its like a bumper sticker that says:  Life sucks, therefore I am.

Existentialism could also be likened to an intellectual understanding of Buddhism.  Quite a number of people here, who also say they are not Buddhist Monks, seem to have an intellectual understanding of Buddhism.  But that is as much a mental prison as that which they seek to escape.

Freedom does not come from an understanding of Buddhism, but rather from an understanding of Buddha.  And that only comes from Buddha itself.  All you can really do is wait.  Praying, hoping, meditating, chanting, really make no difference.  If and when Buddha taps you on the shoulder, you'll know it. 

Then you will understand Buddha, and everything else will fall into place.


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Reply from shayne
Oct.22.2008
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you DONT need buddha to do so.

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Oct.22.2008
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isnt it obvious.

these thought forms come from you don?

you experienced them and it is PART of delusion.

it is mere imagination.

and this comes from someone who is bipolar or possiably shizoaffective.

so i know imagination.

well.

i just dont get caught up in it no more.

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Oct.22.2008
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Oct.22.2008
02:31PM EDT 
vertical line 'You' cannot understand Buddha. No need to thank me.
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Reply from immortal 1
Oct.23.2008
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Turkeys have wings but they cannot fly.

Some have a concept of oneness but they cannot handle a limitless sky.

I have no desire to say what is or what is not.

That is a terrible web in which to be caught.

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Reply from zen-zen
Oct.23.2008
09:19AM EDT 
vertical line I have some difficulty understanding buddha. Please bear with me, I'm probably just a bit simple.
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Reply from immortal 1
Oct.24.2008
04:27AM EDT 
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isnt it obvious.

these thought forms come from you don?

you experienced them and it is PART of delusion.

it is mere imagination.

and this comes from someone who is bipolar or possiably shizoaffective.

so i know imagination.

well.

i just dont get caught up in it no more.

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You may have to struggle to hang on to reality because of your psychiatric disability.  That is understandable.  But still you must be truthful about reality, which makes it all the harder to hold on to.

What is is.  It is the current energy manifestation, which is agreed by physicists and monks alike. 

I have rapped my knuckles on wood in life and in dreams, only to find either indisputably hard.

So the solution to reality is to be where you are, and to do what you are doing.  When in life, live.  When in dreams, dream.  Then both are equally part of reality, and there is no conflict.

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Reply from IZIZIZ
Oct.24.2008
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That which exists is there. That which does not exist is not there. Therefore only one exists.

Understand that.

Look around. Reality is existance. It is then existental. It is also experiental.

All IS.

IS is. No beginning , no end. Just like existence, just like experience.

Understand paradox.

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Reply from IZIZIZ
Oct.24.2008
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That Buddha bloke.

He died a long time ago.

The dead cant tap you on the shoulder.

Only in your mind could such a person tap you on the shoulder.

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Reply from IZIZIZ
Oct.24.2008
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THE WIZARD OF IS

I wanted  to find the wizard

The wonderful  wizard of IS

I looked to the left

I looked to the right

I looked all day

I looked all night

I learnt that the ways were many

I learnt that the ways were long

I learnt that one must trust and believe

I learnt that others were wrong

I looked and looked till I could look no more

I sat with no answer

I heard a knock on the door

I said come in but there was no reply

I opened that door

But could only see sky

Was my mind playing tricks on me

Had my imagination gone mad

It was a strange experience

That I just had

I then heard a voice

That said, “now you know”

“This is who I am, how I come, how I go

I am the Wizard that all try to find

You now hear my voice

Right here in your mind”.

 

How I remember that find.

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isnt it obvious.


these thought forms come from you don?


you experienced them and it is PART of delusion.


it is mere imagination.


and this comes from someone who is bipolar or possiably shizoaffective.


so i know imagination.


well.


i just dont get caught up in it no more.


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You may have to struggle to hang on to reality because of your psychiatric disability.  That is understandable.  But still you must be truthful about reality, which makes it all the harder to hold on to.


What is is.  It is the current energy manifestation, which is agreed by physicists and monks alike. 


I have rapped my knuckles on wood in life and in dreams, only to find either indisputably hard.


So the solution to reality is to be where you are, and to do what you are doing.  When in life, live.  When in dreams, dream.  Then both are equally part of reality, and there is no conflict.

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Psychiatric disability? You think shayne has a psychiatric disability? Solution to reality? You think reality is something to be solved?
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Oct.24.2008
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That which exists is there. That which does not exist is not there. Therefore only one exists.


Understand that.


Look around. Reality is existance. It is then existental. It is also experiental.


All IS.


IS is. No beginning , no end. Just like existence, just like experience.


Understand paradox.

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If you could understand paradox, it wouldn't be paradox.
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Reply from lehish
Oct.24.2008
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there's a paradox to understand ?

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isnt it obvious.

these thought forms come from you don?

you experienced them and it is PART of delusion.

it is mere imagination.

and this comes from someone who is bipolar or possiably shizoaffective.

so i know imagination.

well.

i just dont get caught up in it no more.

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You may have to struggle to hang on to reality because of your psychiatric disability.  That is understandable.  But still you must be truthful about reality, which makes it all the harder to hold on to.

What is is.  It is the current energy manifestation, which is agreed by physicists and monks alike. 

I have rapped my knuckles on wood in life and in dreams, only to find either indisputably hard.

So the solution to reality is to be where you are, and to do what you are doing.  When in life, live.  When in dreams, dream.  Then both are equally part of reality, and there is no conflict.

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Shayne is very honest (meaning "truthful about reality") And he can sort and handle sense impressions just as well as anybody, kinda probable might overwhelm him sometimes I suspect, Right Shayne?:)
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Oct.24.2008
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Reply from 9999999
Oct.24.2008
07:48PM EDT 
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there's a paradox to understand ?

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bahahaha
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Oct.24.2008
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vertical line ?Psychiatric disability . . . Psychiatric disability . . . ?disability? . . . - oh man, that's so loaded loaded. What does it mean?
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Reply from shayne
Oct.24.2008
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isnt it obvious.

these thought forms come from you don?

you experienced them and it is PART of delusion.

it is mere imagination.

and this comes from someone who is bipolar or possiably shizoaffective.

so i know imagination.

well.

i just dont get caught up in it no more.

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You may have to struggle to hang on to reality because of your psychiatric disability.  That is understandable.  But still you must be truthful about reality, which makes it all the harder to hold on to.

What is is.  It is the current energy manifestation, which is agreed by physicists and monks alike. 

I have rapped my knuckles on wood in life and in dreams, only to find either indisputably hard.

So the solution to reality is to be where you are, and to do what you are doing.  When in life, live.  When in dreams, dream.  Then both are equally part of reality, and there is no conflict.

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Shayne is very honest (meaning "truthful about reality") And he can sort and handle sense impressions just as well as anybody, kinda probable might overwhelm him sometimes I suspect, Right Shayne?:)"
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Shayne is very honest (meaning "truthful about reality") And he can sort and handle sense impressions just as well as anybody, kinda probable might overwhelm him sometimes I suspect, Right Shayne?:)"
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yes sir.

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Reply from shayne
Oct.24.2008
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my take on my illness.

ill be honest i resemble the condtion of bipolar.

but i dont believe in pyshcology no more.

and right now im in between.

meaning im very stable.

and this is four days off my meds.

i did it.........not no meds.

though i plan to go back on them i wanted to perform a experiment.

i was 30 years without them.

and some of the brightest minds have been reported to be bipolar.

so its NOT a disability. or a handicap to understanding reality.

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Reply from shayne
Oct.24.2008
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dont forget don.

guatama suffered many delusions before his grand awakening.

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Oct.24.2008
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there's a paradox to understand ?

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hahaha

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Reply from immortal 1
Oct.25.2008
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That Buddha bloke.

He died a long time ago.

The dead cant tap you on the shoulder.

Only in your mind could such a person tap you on the shoulder.

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Yes, well, you see, that is not the bloke to whom I was referring.

Elementary, my dear friend, in Zen Buddhism, is that there are many Buddhas but only one Buddha.

A Buddha by definition, including Gautama Buddha, is one who attains enlightenment without a teacher.  I am a Buddha too.  So what?  There is still only the one Buddha, all inclusive.

it is that one Buddha to whom I figuratively referred as tapping one on the shoulder, thereby transmitting enlightenment of itself.

It is difficult to discuss Buddhist concepts with concrete thinkers.  But its all part of the same amusement park, after all.  Some are Carnies, some are Clowns.

But this is still a Buddhist site.  So Buddhist concepts are allowed.  Right?

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Reply from immortal 1
Oct.25.2008
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my take on my illness.

ill be honest i resemble the condtion of bipolar.

but i dont believe in pyshcology no more.

and right now im in between.

meaning im very stable.

and this is four days off my meds.

i did it.........not no meds.

though i plan to go back on them i wanted to perform a experiment.

i was 30 years without them.

and some of the brightest minds have been reported to be bipolar.

so its NOT a disability. or a handicap to understanding reality.

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I just posted something saying you should go back on your meds.

How did I know you were off your meds, Shayne?

Your medical condition neither helps nor hinders your seeing reality.  It has to do with how you see yourself in that reality.

Do not mess around with your meds.  That is how people end up on the street or in jail, or back and forth between the two.

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Reply from shayne
Oct.25.2008
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enlightenment looks for enlightenment.

it stands not outside oneself or even inside oneself.

the search for enlightenment is futile.

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Oct.25.2008
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my take on my illness.

ill be honest i resemble the condtion of bipolar.

but i dont believe in pyshcology no more.

and right now im in between.

meaning im very stable.

and this is four days off my meds.

i did it.........not no meds.

though i plan to go back on them i wanted to perform a experiment.

i was 30 years without them.

and some of the brightest minds have been reported to be bipolar.

so its NOT a disability. or a handicap to understanding reality.

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I just posted something saying you should go back on your meds.

How did I know you were off your meds, Shayne?

Your medical condition neither helps nor hinders your seeing reality.  It has to do with how you see yourself in that reality.

Do not mess around with your meds.  That is how people end up on the street or in jail, or back and forth between the two.

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actually i said on a previous post i wasnt taking them.

anyway.

i was 30 years WITHOUT meds and besides they just control my seretonin and dopeamine levels. im just on abilify. nothing else.

i refused to take anything else.

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Reply from immortal 1
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I did not mean that to be demeaning.  As a disability case worker for many years I handled thousand of psychiatric cases.

Any medical condition counts as a disability.  I am on the roles here at work as a disabled employee due to multiple conditions, including Dysthemic Disorder, which is a psychiatric disability.

One of my coworkers was a certified clinical psychologist.  I said to him once, "After reading through so many of these psychiatric case files, I have come to the conclusion that everyone has everything in the book, it is just a matter of how much."

He winked and said, "Bingo".

Everyone should have some anxiety about flying, for example, because your life will be a risk while you are in the airplane thousands of feet up in the air.  That is normal.  But if your anxiety is so great that you cannot get on the plane, that is a disabiling condition.

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Reply from shayne
Oct.25.2008
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well i dont LIKE to labeled disabled.

only when im depressed am i actually disabled.

and like i said............phsycology sucks.

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Reply from immortal 1
Oct.25.2008
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my take on my illness.

ill be honest i resemble the condtion of bipolar.

but i dont believe in pyshcology no more.

and right now im in between.

meaning im very stable.

and this is four days off my meds.

i did it.........not no meds.

though i plan to go back on them i wanted to perform a experiment.

i was 30 years without them.

and some of the brightest minds have been reported to be bipolar.

so its NOT a disability. or a handicap to understanding reality.

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I just posted something saying you should go back on your meds.

How did I know you were off your meds, Shayne?

Your medical condition neither helps nor hinders your seeing reality.  It has to do with how you see yourself in that reality.

Do not mess around with your meds.  That is how people end up on the street or in jail, or back and forth between the two.

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actually i said on a previous post i wasnt taking them.

anyway.

i was 30 years WITHOUT meds and besides they just control my seretonin and dopeamine levels. im just on abilify. nothing else.

i refused to take anything else.

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I knew you were off your meds when you said Buddha was part of you, and you were not part of Buddha.

Grandiose thinking.  You have been feeling your oats, and it feels good does it not?

You said you were in jail once and you were able to break the lock on the door by focusing your mind on it.  Maybe you can get out that way again.  Good luck.  Do not forget to write from whatever institution you end up in.

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i was joking around about buddha being part of me.....goof.

hahahahhahha.

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and they forgot to lock my door is all.

my past is not my present condtion.

goofball.

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Reply from immortal 1
Oct.28.2008
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That which exists is there. That which does not exist is not there. Therefore only one exists.

Understand that.

Look around. Reality is existance. It is then existental. It is also experiental.

All IS.

IS is. No beginning , no end. Just like existence, just like experience.

Understand paradox.

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I do understand that and it makes me feel blessed.

For as many things as there are in creation, or in natures energy manifestation, as you wish, there are an infinite number of things that are not, and that never will be.

So it is very fortunate indeed to be one of the things that exist, rather than one of the all so many that never will.

What a great gift of Buddha that is.  Or just very lucky.  Whichever you prefer.

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Oct.28.2008
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Yes and no.  That is the paradox, Lehishy baby!!  Have a sweet day.

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Oct.28.2008
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Its actually an industry term I suppose.  I was a disability case worker for many years.  I suppose I get that because the cases I had were ones where people were seeking compensation, or care, for their psychiatric disabilities, along with many other conditions.

I will say though that anyone who sits down with a psychiatrist will end up with some kind of diagnosis.  Probably mild, and not requiring medication, or treatment, for most people. 

Disability is matter of function, not condition.  A person in a wheelchair is disabled when it comes to stairs, but not elevators. 

I only know of Shaynes condition what he has said of it, (A Bi-Polar condition with Schizophrenoform characteristics), although there may be other things that I know because of previous training and experience with other Bi Polar friends, relatives, and clients.

As Shayne has honestly said, its a medical condition.  With proper treatment, as long as one stays on ones meds, it is not a disability.

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there's a paradox to understand ?

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Yes and no.  That is the paradox, Lehishy baby!!  Have a sweet day.

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don't see any paradox, immortal baby

may u a sweet day

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Quote: " ?Psychiatric disability . . . Psychiatric disability . . . ?disability? . . . - oh man, that's so loaded loaded. What does it mean?"
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Its actually an industry term I suppose.  I was a disability case worker for many years.  I suppose I get that because the cases I had were ones where people were seeking compensation, or care, for their psychiatric disabilities, along with many other conditions.

I will say though that anyone who sits down with a psychiatrist will end up with some kind of diagnosis.  Probably mild, and not requiring medication, or treatment, for most people. 

Disability is matter of function, not condition.  A person in a wheelchair is disabled when it comes to stairs, but not elevators. 

I only know of Shaynes condition what he has said of it, (A Bi-Polar condition with Schizophrenoform characteristics), although there may be other things that I know because of previous training and experience with other Bi Polar friends, relatives, and clients.

As Shayne has honestly said, its a medical condition.  With proper treatment, as long as one stays on ones meds, it is not a disability.

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Oct.28.2008
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actually bipolar medicine surpresses my peniel gland which is the housing for receiving insights. also the home of pyschic activity. also the third eye. or attention as i like to call it.

and did you know some of the greatest minds have been suspected of having bipolar.

dont forget guatama suffered many delusions before his grand enlightenment.

talking to mara would put you in the insane ward in our day and age.

and when in a manic stage i suffer from dilusions. not shizoaffective disorder.

my meds just keep this asthetically minded indiviudal from going too far in any one direction.

siddahartha also did extreme fasting. punishment of body. another trip to the insane ward.

i did ALOT less then our dear friend guatama.

best part is..............i control mine. now.

i reconginize them as delusions and stay steadfast.

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Reply from shayne
Oct.29.2008
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Oct.29.2008
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of course ive asthetically thought myself into a stuper.

thought i was talking to god.

so i wont say im better then guatama.

its just his was more prenounced.

but then again his mind was sharper then my own.

in the trying is what condtions the mind.

brings it to clarity.

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Yes and no.  That is the paradox, Lehishy baby!!  Have a sweet day.

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don't see any paradox, immortal baby

may u a sweet day

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Quote: " ?Psychiatric disability . . . Psychiatric disability . . . ?disability? . . . - oh man, that's so loaded loaded. What does it mean?"
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Its actually an industry term I suppose.  I was a disability case worker for many years.  I suppose I get that because the cases I had were ones where people were seeking compensation, or care, for their psychiatric disabilities, along with many other conditions.

I will say though that anyone who sits down with a psychiatrist will end up with some kind of diagnosis.  Probably mild, and not requiring medication, or treatment, for most people. 

Disability is matter of function, not condition.  A person in a wheelchair is disabled when it comes to stairs, but not elevators. 

I only know of Shaynes condition what he has said of it, (A Bi-Polar condition with Schizophrenoform characteristics), although there may be other things that I know because of previous training and experience with other Bi Polar friends, relatives, and clients.

As Shayne has honestly said, its a medical condition.  With proper treatment, as long as one stays on ones meds, it is not a disability.

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actually bipolar medicine surpresses my peniel gland which is the housing for receiving insights. also the home of pyschic activity. also the third eye. or attention as i like to call it.

and did you know some of the greatest minds have been suspected of having bipolar.

dont forget guatama suffered many delusions before his grand enlightenment.

talking to mara would put you in the insane ward in our day and age.

and when in a manic stage i suffer from dilusions. not shizoaffective disorder.

my meds just keep this asthetically minded indiviudal from going too far in any one direction.

siddahartha also did extreme fasting. punishment of body. another trip to the insane ward.

i did ALOT less then our dear friend guatama.

best part is..............i control mine. now.

i reconginize them as delusions and stay steadfast.

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Your penis does a lot of fine work for you it seems.  A magic wand as it were.

Mine does not even work anymore, but I am old so that is okay, and a bit of a relief.

It sure makes it easier to take that first pee in the morning.

If I get into a relationship I will do something about it.  I do not need it at the moment.

Its that disability / function thing again.  It may be disabled in this world, but in dreaming not at all.  That is where I do my best work.

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Oct.30.2008
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there's a paradox to understand ?

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Yes and no.  That is the paradox, Lehishy baby!!  Have a sweet day.

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don't see any paradox, immortal baby

may u a sweet day

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