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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: MEDITATION BY ZEN-ZEN
vertical line Posted on Oct.25.2008 @ 04:19AM EDT by immortal 1

From zen-zen:

My latest advances have led me to a situation where I have encountered something completely new. This is difficult for me to explain and understand. It is as if the quality of the practice had escalated to a completely different level. The quietness has always been there, but whereas the world still existed before, now it completely disappears as if it never existed.

Can you share about this?


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Reply from IZIZIZ
Oct.25.2008
04:25AM EDT 
vertical line How is it that ONE knows this?
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Reply from immortal 1
Oct.25.2008
04:28AM EDT 
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Meditation keeps growing, changing, so I do not know where it will go.

Where it has come so far is to a point that I see that it is through the one being, Buddha, that everything is connected.

Life has become a continual meditation.  I am in Buddha, everything is alive, all is one. 

Curiosity is the most valuable thought or emotion these days.   Waiting to see what Buddha will come up with next.

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Reply from shayne
Oct.25.2008
04:39AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "

Meditation keeps growing, changing, so I do not know where it will go.

Where it has come so far is to a point that I see that it is through the one being, Buddha, that everything is connected.

Life has become a continual meditation.  I am in Buddha, everything is alive, all is one. 

Curiosity is the most valuable thought or emotion these days.   Waiting to see what Buddha will come up with next.

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well see what i ALLOW buddha to come up with next.

hahaha.

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Reply from zen-zen
Oct.27.2008
09:38AM EDT 
vertical line "How is it that ONE knows this?"

A good question - if the void was complete then how could one know that the void was there at all? How could any information escape the void? Is this what you mean?

I try to answer how I observe this, e.g. what memory I have of it:
The appearance of this voidness seems to be a suprise to me always. I can't produce this by will. I can observe this only afterwards when some time has passed since afterwards I find myself "off-the map" for a brief moment. In that moment I usually realise that something took place. Sometimes my attention-observation was focused on some object or thought so completely that all else disappeared, even time itself. Sometimes I have acted as if I wasn't immersed in this "voidness" and there is no single object to observe but a "generalised" void.

Bear with me, this is difficult to talk about since it's not a matter of concepts and yet I'm using them to communicate. I have a feeling that in the end I find myself talking gibberish to people who aren't able to correlate with these experiences.

It's a risk but also an opportunity.
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Reply from -----0
Oct.27.2008
11:18AM EDT 
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Maybe there is no need to talk about it. I mean, I really appreciate your posting, but as you may also see for yourself, there is really no need to try shape it with words.

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Reply from 9999999
Oct.27.2008
01:13PM EDT 
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vertical line -----0 seems to be a mysterious poster who seems to know more than he seems to say ._.
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Reply from zen-zen
Oct.27.2008
01:32PM EDT 
vertical line You may be correct zero, but I got this idea ... that we have heard, read and learned about zen from people and writings. Then we went away for practice and we got to where we are now.

So evidently the practice is the most important part here but a part of the message is transmitted also from other sources (talk, writings). One may be pointed to the direction that needs to be taken but the walk is his alone.

So, I would like to point with my words here and perhaps someone takes that walk to see what comes of it.
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Reply from zengirl
Oct.27.2008
01:56PM EDT 
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I wish I could be of help zen-zen.. but I am the newbie here. I do remember reading something on this though perhaps in Eckhart Tolles book "A New Earth"?

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Reply from zen-zen
Oct.27.2008
02:38PM EDT 
vertical line Thanks for a book tip. I'll look into it.

Reading is good but nothing beats practicing.

How about you ZG, do you practice?
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Reply from Woodsman
Oct.27.2008
02:39PM EDT 
vertical line You just read that.
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Reply from -----0
Oct.28.2008
06:17PM EDT 
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It is a common trap for people to believe that only by long and heavy practice they will finally  "achieve Zen". They try to analyze these mental states and describe them with words and concepts. They don't see that the "practice" is already it.

Think of practicing running. You know that only after long and very efficient practice you may finally run 100 m in below 10 sec. But the Zen of running is not to run fast. It is to run for the sheer joy of running. To realize that one already knows how to do it without any practice. Measuring the speed and analyzing the complex workings of muscles and nerves will just spoil this spontaneous joy.

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Reply from zen-zen
Oct.29.2008
02:06AM EDT 
vertical line Yes, Integrate your practice to daily life! LOL.

Oh, I knew the risks of talking about this. Yet I believe that the benefits outweight the risks. The benefit being that someone, even a single person may go and look for himself.
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Reply from ______
Oct.29.2008
09:42AM EDT 
vertical line "Running / Practice / Achieving Zen" is poor analogy.
There are those who, no matter what they do, will never run, physically. 

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Reply from ______
Oct.29.2008
09:43AM EDT 
vertical line The kind of analogy born of the belief that 'zen' is a "mental state".
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Reply from immortal 1
Oct.30.2008
04:52AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "

Meditation keeps growing, changing, so I do not know where it will go.

Where it has come so far is to a point that I see that it is through the one being, Buddha, that everything is connected.

Life has become a continual meditation.  I am in Buddha, everything is alive, all is one. 

Curiosity is the most valuable thought or emotion these days.   Waiting to see what Buddha will come up with next.

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well see what i ALLOW buddha to come up with next.

hahaha.

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Ah Shayne, you poor deluded... well, I will try to be polite.

In meditation we open our minds and find a lot of things there.  Over time we pare them away.  But at first it seems that there is a part of the mind that does not want us to progress along our path.

Many people, if not all people, who meditate will encounter what I call sandtraps of the mind.  These are delusions of greatness, or power, that seem very real.  But if you buy into them you go no further along your path until you get out of them again.

Let me know when you can walk on water Shayne, and I will be among your first followers.  Until then, shut the ... up.

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Reply from shayne
Oct.30.2008
09:34AM EDT 
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vertical line im telling googamuga on you bucko.
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Reply from shayne
Oct.30.2008
10:12AM EDT 
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alan erased my previous post.

what makes you think i wasnt joking?

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Reply from juliocm
Oct.30.2008
04:32PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "How is it that ONE knows this?"
.......Through intuition. not  intellect I reckon.
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Reply from zen-zen
Nov.03.2008
03:06AM EDT 
vertical line I saw someone using the term "introspection" somewhere. I think it fits quite well for this purpose.
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