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vertical line Posted on Oct.30.2008 @ 03:39PM EDT by raeej91

For me zazen was very difficult in the beginning.  Of course zazen is still difficult for me now, bu tin the beginning I had trouble believing in zazen.  I could not even put any strength in my practice.  I'd start to think that zazen was stupid and I'd just give up and get up.

But I never gave up on zazen completely.  No matter how much I gave up I always came back to it for some reason, trying once more, over and over.  Soon I began to encourage my practice, even if I didn't believe in what I was doing.  I'd yell at myself "Stay!"  Even when I completely thought zazen was stupid I told  myself "Don't quit, continue."  No matter what excuse I had I told myself these things and stuck with my practice.

Zazen is nothing special.  There is nothing special or significant about how we place our hands or corss our legs.  But yet these things are emphasized.  This is because the important thing in zazen, above everything else, is giving a wholehearted effort.  Even if thoughts, emotions, and other difficulties arise, if we give a wholehearted effort to stick by our practice and continue, we will find the true meaning of practice.  We give a wholehearted effort even though we know that zazen isn't anything special.  When we put strength in our practice like this we awaken our true spirit.

Even if you have many difficulties that lie on top of you like some tremendous weight, you can still give a wholehearted effort.  This is what we realize through zazen.  We don't have to give up and get up.  We can continue zazen always.  In our everyday lives we don't have to quit when things become difficult.  Rather than quiting we should encourage ourselves and renew our spirit and efforts.  We discover that even though we may feel like at the end of our ropes, as long as we still are breathing and alive, we have strength left to continue.


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Oct.30.2008
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vertical line Can't listen to the radio for pleasure, unless it's an alternative station, and I'm "in the mood", rarely. I'm over 50. So my mind is like a trap for music, songs that I may hear once, and have heard several times before, will linger with me, as an annoyance.  I have tried to listen to what is directly around me when a song gets "stuck" in my head,  or use the visuals, sensations, but the song comes back. So I end up accepting it, as I did today on a walk, and eventually they song which seemed irritating was replaced by a simple mental tune, without words, and it was in keeping with the pace in my walk, seemed original, grounded. The non-worded tune replaced the song which was there previously, once I just gave up, and accepted less, I guess.
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Reply from ______
Oct.30.2008
06:05PM EDT 
vertical line . . . if you don't love, you're dead, and if you do they'll kill you . . . 

What happens in your head to create personal reality?


"The human dilemma of communication is that we cannot communicate ordinarily without words and signs, but even ordinary experience tends to be falsified by our habits of verbalization and rationalization. The convenient tools of language enable us to decide beforehand what we think things mean, and tempt us all too easily to see things only in a way that fits our logical preconceptions and our verbal formulas. Instead of seeing things and facts as they are we see them as reflections and verifications of the sentences we have previously made up in our minds. We quickly forget how to simply see things and substitute our words and our formulas for the things themselves, manipulating facts so that we see only what conveniently fits our prejudices. Zen uses language against itself to blast out these preconceptions and to destroy the specious "reality" in our minds so that we can see directly."
~Thomas Merton
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Reply from lehish
Oct.30.2008
06:13PM EDT 
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Quote: "we cannot communicate ordinarily without words and signs,"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ5tYRIDLiY

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Oct.30.2008
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Reply from emancipate
Oct.30.2008
09:27PM EDT 
vertical line A monk asked Joshu "Does a new born infant still have six consciousnesses?"

Joshu replied "A ball tossed into rushing water"

The monk asked "What is the meaning of "A ball tossed into rushing water"?"

Joshu replied  "Moment to moment non-stop flow."

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Reply from IZIZIZ
Oct.31.2008
06:10AM EDT 
vertical line So. More experience.
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Oct.31.2008
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vertical line Quote: "So. More experience."
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About the same amount?

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Reply from 9999999
Oct.31.2008
07:11AM EDT 
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vertical line manipulating facts so that we see only what conveniently fits our prejudices
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Reply from lehish
Oct.31.2008
09:43AM EDT 
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Quote: "http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Tluogv9EGTQ "
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:)

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Nov.01.2008
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