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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: ZEN PRAGMATICS
vertical line Posted on Nov.24.2008 @ 04:39PM EDT by noumenal

More rain on my flimsy roof.

It’s going on for days they said.

I can remain from the rain aloof,

As long as it doesn’t rain on my head.

 

But I’m stressed, the roof leaks you see,

Not over my seat or bed,

But exactly over where I pee,

And it’s going on for days they said.


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Reply from lehish
Nov.24.2008
09:50PM EDT 
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falling leaves pile on the deck
and if leave them when wet  they glow slippery rotting
careful not to slip fall when walking

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Nov.25.2008
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falling leaves pile on the deck
and if leave them when wet  they glow slippery rotting
careful not to slip fall when walking

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Nov.25.2008
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Nov.25.2008
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vertical line Fix the roof.
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Nov.25.2008
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vertical line Rake the leaves.
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Nov.25.2008
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Nov.25.2008
03:38PM EDT 
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vertical line The garden's happy 
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Reply from noumenal
Nov.26.2008
04:07PM EDT 
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Quote: "Fix the roof."
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Before enlightenment, I fix the roof

After enlightenment, the roof gets fixed

On the Buddhist middle path, I neither fix the roof, nor does the roof get fixed

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Nov.26.2008
04:33PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "

Quote: "Fix the roof."
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Before enlightenment, I fix the roof

After enlightenment, the roof gets fixed

On the Buddhist middle path, I neither fix the roof, nor does the roof get fixed"

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What's that got to do with pragmatics? And what's enlightenment?

On the Buddhist middle path you're stressed - take an umbrella and watch your step. 
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Reply from lehish
Nov.26.2008
08:48PM EDT 
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Quote: "Rake the leaves."
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leaves ok  without raking :)

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Reply from ______
Nov.27.2008
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vertical line Don't worry, they won't be leaves for long, neither will the deck be a deck, just one rotten, stinking heap, so don't go hiding your treasure or your nuts under 'em. 
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Nov.27.2008
08:53AM EDT 
vertical line zen pragmatics
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cranium classics
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cerebral antiques
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Reply from ______
Nov.27.2008
10:52AM EDT 
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Avoid-not yourself; be your own guide, be your own guru, see yourself comin’ through the rye.  And so, heaven forfend, I rake the garden and I rake and I rake the paths of the splendid leavings of the trees, for to fey, composting them oh lord.  In the hand, dry and crumbly leaf-mould, nutritious, aromatic and sweet as a nut. 

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Nov.27.2008
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vertical line once see yourself coming through the rye
remember to bow deeply
the Guy may like it
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Reply from noumenal
Nov.27.2008
05:27PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "

Quote: "Fix the roof."
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Before enlightenment, I fix the roof

After enlightenment, the roof gets fixed

On the Buddhist middle path, I neither fix the roof, nor does the roof get fixed"

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What's that got to do with pragmatics? And what's enlightenment?

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I was, of course, joking 
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Nov.28.2008
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Quote: "Don't worry, they won't be leaves for long, neither will the deck be a deck, just one rotten, stinking heap, so don't go hiding your treasure or your nuts under 'em. "
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what in the post did you interprest as that ?...or, did you just want to post as though there was something to show ?

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Nov.28.2008
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Avoid-not yourself; be your own guide, be your own guru, see yourself comin’ through the rye.  And so, heaven forfend, I rake the garden and I rake and I rake the paths of the splendid leavings of the trees, for to fey, composting them oh lord.  In the hand, dry and crumbly leaf-mould, nutritious, aromatic and sweet as a nut. 

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relax...leaves will mold without raking ,

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Nov.28.2008
04:11AM EDT 
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:)

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Nov.28.2008
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Avoid-not yourself; be your own guide, be your own guru, see yourself comin’ through the rye.  And so, heaven forfend, I rake the garden and I rake and I rake the paths of the splendid leavings of the trees, for to fey, composting them oh lord.  In the hand, dry and crumbly leaf-mould, nutritious, aromatic and sweet as a nut. 

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relax...leaves will mold without raking ,

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Ah, that’s what rustic posted.  And as you said, careful you don’t slip and fall on the slippery, rotten leaves, mind your toes and watch them eat through deck and house.  There is no deck here, only garden and paths where leaves are raked, the wind does it, moves me, moves leaves, moves me to move leaves, dries leaves, prevents leaves becoming an airless slime, which is not a good growing medium - you has to be relaxed to rake leaves, you has to be leaving and out of the way to rake leaves, it’s so relaxing, try it. 

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Nov.28.2008
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lovely...but the advice to relax and try it not needed...didn't a broom yet since moved, so bought broom....not alot  leaves deck since swept...didn't rake ground leaves though...not slippery...so what were you advising ? ...can you relax advising as though  you know ?

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Nov.28.2008
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lovely...but the advice to relax and try it not needed...didn't a broom yet since moved, so bought broom....not alot  leaves deck since swept...didn't rake ground leaves though...not slippery...so what were you advising ? ...can you relax advising as though  you know ?

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Advising? As though I know? As though you know as thoughI know what’s needed?  As in your advice with the leaves and your careful advice to relax?  See, rustic writes these posts.  It doesn’t matter when it rains on my head, I’m just raking leaves pragmatically, staying on topic: Zen Pragmatics [apparently] - reading between the lines is seeing through the words -  I’m carried as dust by the wind in the leaves to dust, leaving the posts to post as leaves.  


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Nov.28.2008
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lovely...but the advice to relax and try it not needed...didn't a broom yet since moved, so bought broom....not alot  leaves deck since swept...didn't rake ground leaves though...not slippery...so what were you advising ? ...can you relax advising as though  you know ?

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Advising? As though I know? As though you know as thoughI know what’s needed?  As in your advice with the leaves and your careful advice to relax?  See, rustic writes these posts.  It doesn’t matter when it rains on my head, I’m just raking leaves pragmatically, staying on topic: Zen Pragmatics [apparently] - reading between the lines is seeing through the words -  I’m carried as dust by the wind in the leaves to dust, leaving the posts to post as leaves.  


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you're posting thinking complicated which wasn't, rustic

you say "try it" and then make excuses

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Nov.28.2008
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It’s only complicated because you give the appearance that you think it is - you have no way of knowing what I’m thinking, that’s your excuse for seeing posts as mirage shows and illusory proofs, while post pretending you’re not trying to show something, as if there was ever anything anyone could show or prove.

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Nov.28.2008
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It’s only complicated because you give the appearance that you think it is - you have no way of knowing what I’m thinking, that’s your excuse for seeing posts as mirage shows and illusory proofs, while post pretending you’re not trying to show something, as if there was ever anything anyone could show or prove.

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there's no true any which you said rustic

off to bed :)

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Nov.28.2008
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Yeah, it’s all true - every word - especially the bit about you having no way of knowing what I’m thinking. 

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Nov.28.2008
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Yeah, it’s all true - every word - especially the bit about you having no way of knowing what I’m thinking. 

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Ha !

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Nov.28.2008
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Yeah, it’s all true - every word - especially the bit about you having no way of knowing what I’m thinking. 

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Lehish seems to know everything

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Nov.28.2008
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Yeah, it’s all true - every word - especially the bit about you having no way of knowing what I’m thinking. 

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Lehish seems to know everything

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Got it from EMERGENCE

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Nov.28.2008
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Yeah, it’s all true - every word - especially the bit about you having no way of knowing what I’m thinking. 

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no true...there wasn't posting as though knowing what rustic thinking...just you posting assuming lehish was posting that way, when wasn't

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Dec.07.2008
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Yeah, it’s all true - every word - especially the bit about you having no way of knowing what I’m thinking."

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no true...there wasn't posting as though knowing what rustic thinking...just you posting assuming lehish was posting that way, when wasn't"


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Dec.07.2008
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Yeah, it’s all true - every word - especially the bit about you having no way of knowing what I’m thinking."

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no true...there wasn't posting as though knowing what rustic thinking...just you posting assuming lehish was posting that way, when wasn't"


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correct, you were posting thinking complicated which wasn't, rustic

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Dec.07.2008
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vertical line Wrong, I was posting - you only think you know that I was posting thinking complicated. 
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Dec.07.2008
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nothing for you to deny

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Dec.20.2008
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A thing to sh perm it.

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Dec.21.2008
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A thing to sh perm it.

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