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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: BECOMING, BEING AND THE ESSENCE OF I
vertical line Posted on Dec.01.2008 @ 06:53AM EDT by zen-zen
Here is a poem that I find refreshing from time to time. It's a poem about one's identity, and also about becoming. It is an excellent presentation about the process of becoming, being, the essence of I, and it's all expressed in words. ----

Who am I?
That is the age-old question
Asked by every man
At one time or another.

Though he looks into a mirror
And recognizes the face,
Though he knows his own name
And age and history,
Still he wonders, deep down,
Who am I?

Am I a giant among men,
Master of all I survey,
Or an ineffectual pygmy
Who clumsily blocks his own way?

Am I the self-assured gentleman
With a winning style,
The natural born leader
Who makes friends instantly,
Or the frightened heart
Tiptoeing among strangers,
Who, behind a frozen smile trembles
Like a little boy lost in a dark forest?

Most of us yearn to be one
But fear we are the other.
Yet we CAN be
What we aspire to be.

Those who cultivate
Their natural instincts,
Who set their sights
On the good, the admirable, the excellent,
And believe they can achieve it
Will find their confidence rewarded.

And, in the process,
They will discover the true identity
Of him who looks back from the mirror.

-Bruce Lee
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Reply from IZIZIZ
Dec.01.2008
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Whats the difference?

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Dec.01.2008
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vertical line WHAT IS BEING??????
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Reply from zen-zen
Dec.01.2008
07:31AM EDT 
vertical line Exactly, my friends, exactly.
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Dec.01.2008
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vertical line Ego's success-dilemma
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Dec.01.2008
12:27PM EDT 
vertical line The interpretation of the poem tells something about the reader's mindset.
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Reply from zen-zen
Dec.01.2008
12:30PM EDT 
vertical line I feel that a question is in place here:

Did you discover the true identity and essence of the one who looks back from the mirror?
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Dec.02.2008
07:22AM EDT 
vertical line No need.
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Dec.02.2008
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vertical line the true identity is no identity
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Dec.02.2008
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vertical line Whoa, who's this comin' through the rye?
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Reply from -----0
Dec.02.2008
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by developing consciousness, you get to higher levels of consciousness
but that is not the way to enlightenment

enlightenment is right here, no matter how rough your taste is

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Dec.02.2008
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vertical line I'm a greedy man.  What can I say.
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Dec.02.2008
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Quote: "I'm a greedy man.  What can I say. "
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is that so ?

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Reply from emancipate
Dec.03.2008
02:33AM EDT 
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Qui est si.

Bon appetite.

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Reply from zen-zen
Dec.03.2008
04:44AM EDT 
vertical line Hedonistic coulinaristic complexities of the 'me' indeed. So bon apetit is perhaps proper here.

The true identity of the 'I' is so simple. It can be said that it is not at all what one would expect to find when the journey into the essence of 'I' begins.

Actually the process is quite ironic if you think of it this way: Perhaps the motives of an individual are selfish and egocentric to begin with. As the search goes on, the 'I' looks for answers from outside. When the 'I' doesn't find any satisfactory answers from there it may be smart enough to look inwards with introspection. That's usually when the 'I' receives it's first blows towards it's "fortress of reason". If all goes well and the process is allowed to continue, the 'I' is transformed into something more calm and humble.

So, in the end the 'ego' or 'I' that started the inquiry ends up being kicked in the ass by itself.

A smile comes into my face: I imagining itself kicking it's own ass. :)
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Dec.03.2008
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 If all goes well and the process is allowed to continue, the 'I' is transformed into something more calm and humble."
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no  transforming i...i is  imagined or not

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Dec.03.2008
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vertical line Is it better to say that the illusion of 'I' is observed and then put aside? Perhaps.

Would you say that the "I" is completely destroyed then?
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Dec.03.2008
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what is there to put aside or destroy ?

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Dec.03.2008
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vertical line Words... failing me once again. Please allow me to try another kind of an approach.

Is this a question whether there is any kind of a difference between an average person and one who is "enlightened" or "awakened"?
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Dec.03.2008
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vertical line Lehish: "what is there to put aside or destroy ?"

An appropriate question! :)
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Dec.03.2008
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Who am I?  

The head keeps piling up the answers and yet it can’t even realise the question.  


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Dec.03.2008
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Life keeps going day by day

twists and turns,stones unturned

Revealing

What wasnt realized

Watching....watching

What is not understood now

In thismoment

Is yet to come

For every moment is opportunity

To drift on the humbleness

of not knowing

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Dec.03.2008
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vertical line Questions fall, down like rain, or sleet/snow mix
I venture out, onto the plane of the unknown word, touching each, as if it held some meaning that might nurture all
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Dec.04.2008
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Quote: "Words... failing me once again. Please allow me to try another kind of an approach.

Is this a question whether there is any kind of a difference between an average person and one who is "enlightened" or "awakened"?
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thanks :)

no difference whether imgined i or  not

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Dec.04.2008
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Life keeps going day by day

twists and turns,stones unturned

Revealing

What wasnt realized

Watching....watching

What is not understood now

In thismoment

Is yet to come

For every moment is opportunity

To drift on the humbleness

of not knowing

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gassho

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Quote: "Questions fall, down like rain, or sleet/snow mix
I venture out, onto the plane of the unknown word, touching each, as if it held some meaning that might nurture all
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gassho

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Dec.04.2008
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Who am I?  

The head keeps piling up the answers and yet it can’t even realise the question.  


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hug

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Dec.04.2008
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zen-zen

gassho

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Dec.04.2008
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Whats the difference?

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In the Great Perfection teachings the only difference between Buddhas and ordinary sentient beings is that the former know who they are, while the latter do not

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Dec.04.2008
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what is there to put aside or destroy ?

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 the self view should be destroyed. 

and right insight should be seen

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Dec.04.2008
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what is there to put aside or destroy ?

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 the self view should be destroyed. 

and right insight should be seen

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where is "self view" to be destroyed and "right insight" to be seen ?

(not saying there's a 'where' or not)

 

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Dec.04.2008
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form is form, emptiness is emptiness

in breath & out breath

i think in this non dualistc stage

rigpa - pristine awareness

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Dec.04.2008
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vertical line Lehish: *bow*

Very simple, yes.
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Dec.04.2008
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:)

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Dec.04.2008
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vertical line Quote: "Words... failing me once again. Please allow me to try another kind of an approach.

Is this a question whether there is any kind of a difference between an average person and one who is "enlightened" or "awakened"?
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Thoughts lie. :>
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Dec.04.2008
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Quote: "Perhaps too simple to discuss?"
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referring to "bow" ? 

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Quote: "Perhaps too simple to discuss?"
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what can be discussed ? ;)

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Dec.04.2008
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Who am I?  

The head keeps piling up the answers and yet it can’t even realise the question.  


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hug

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You're hugging the wrong guy. 
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Dec.04.2008
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vertical line Who am I? 
That is the age-old question
Asked by every man
At one time or another.
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Do you understand what you are asking?

Do you understand what you are asking for?




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Reply from zen-zen
Dec.04.2008
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vertical line Lehish: "what can be discussed ? ;)"

The age-old question asked by many philosophists.

Rustic: "Do you understand what you are asking?
Do you understand what you are asking for?"

Who is asking? Up there is just a poem.
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Dec.04.2008
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Side-step you're asking.  
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Who am I?  

The head keeps piling up the answers and yet it can’t even realise the question.  


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hug

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You're hugging the wrong guy. 

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wasn't thinking rustic a guy or gal ...you a problem with that ?

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Dec.04.2008
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Quote: "Lehish: "what can be discussed ? ;)"

The age-old question asked by many philosophists."
 

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yes could, but what's that ?

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Phenomenal appearances, the observed, occur through the medium of a supposed separate entity, I, the observer. The two sides of that one coin come and go together. The primary undifferentiated field of Energy that tosses the coin, otherwise doesn't know itself.

To discover this for yourself, go back through the I.

  

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Quote: "I heard that, the wind, passes through Saturday, into Sunday. "
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lehish bought two small ceramic whistles  :)

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Quote: "I heard that, the wind, passes through Saturday, into Sunday. "
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lehish bought two small ceramic whistles  :)

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In one hand the wind blows through on Saturday
In one hand the wind blows through on Sunday

Both sound as One...
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Who am I?  

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That's good.
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Who am I?  

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nope...you answered

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vertical line noumenal: "Phenomenal appearances, the observed, occur through the medium of a supposed separate entity, I, the observer. The two sides of that one coin come and go together. The primary undifferentiated field of Energy that tosses the coin, otherwise doesn't know itself. To discover this for yourself, go back through the I." Descriptive. :)
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Who am I?  

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