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vertical line Posted on Dec.21.2008 @ 08:36PM EDT by 9999999
When I ask, "What do you think about being alone?" I'm really asking, "What does thought say about being alone?"

So what do you think about being alone? What's that like to you? How do you avoid it?

I'm not asking for instructions and I'm not asking for help.
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Reply from immortal 1
Dec.22.2008
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I like being alone.

In the final analysis, we are all alone, all the time.  Everything else is delusion.

The trick is to enjoy the delusion, while  not forgetting it is all a delusion.

Also remember that the definition of Delusion is Self Deception.

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Reply from ______
Dec.22.2008
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vertical line Being alone - apparently, not essentially - [thoughts and feelings] - can't be avoided, no matter what. It's difficult if not impossible to explain an idea of aloneness.  Meaning derives from comparison.  Are you with me?
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Dec.22.2008
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Dec.22.2008
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Reply from so_teh
Dec.22.2008
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I posted something recently on Being Alone. It was called Bhaddekaratta. That is actually a sutra. I first heard of it from a CD I bought and a Track on the CD called "Knowing the Better Way to Live Alone" 

What I posted were some links on this.

The music was by Brother Phap Niem, sung by him also.

Being alone to me is the truth that everything changes. Transiency. Not trying to attain. Things just as they are. The movement of the Earth around the Sun and the earth itself. A connected awareness of [this] and beyond. Witnessing. Buddhas don't help Buddhas =)

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Dec.23.2008
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Dec.23.2008
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vertical line thank you if you allow me may i can cutch up with your bear before you leave it maybe is all about... about a good 58 pissing excuse me uncurved but trying to follow
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Dec.23.2008
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Reply from zen-zen
Dec.23.2008
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vertical line The thought says:

For the average man being alone is the worst kind of a punishment imaginable. To be forcefully set apart from the rest of the world brings such pain to the 'self' that apart from death sentence no worse has been invented.

For a holy man, the annihilation of the 'self' is the highest value.
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Dec.23.2008
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has been found a self to annihilate ? 

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Dec.23.2008
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Dec.23.2008
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Quote: "The thought says:

For the average man being alone is the worst kind of a punishment imaginable. To be forcefully set apart from the rest of the world brings such pain to the 'self' that apart from death sentence no worse has been invented.

For a holy man, the annihilation of the 'self' is the highest value.
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i don't know

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Dec.23.2008
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Dec.24.2008
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Reply from immortal 1
Jan.02.2009
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All one = alone

Life is an isometric exercise after all.

Duality is the delusion of the Self by the Self, meaning you.

But I like what Shunyro Suzuki says about it.  It is not the idea of Zen to dispense with duality in favor of non-duality.  The trick is to live in duality without losing sight of non-duality, and thereby one masters duality, or rather is not subject to it.

None of this is real, except that it is a real delusion.

Thats what the moniker Immortal 1 is about too, by the way.  Some say, and some wonder, if attainment yields immortality, as the texts say that then one is freed from the bonds of life and death. 

At that point you discover that you always were immortal.  Or as I like to put it, after years of struggling to get myself into the safe hands of God I found that I never could have possibly been out of them.

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Jan.02.2009
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All one = alone

Life is an isometric exercise after all.

Duality is the delusion of the Self by the Self, meaning you.

But I like what Shunyro Suzuki says about it.  It is not the idea of Zen to dispense with duality in favor of non-duality.  The trick is to live in duality without losing sight of non-duality, and thereby one masters duality, or rather is not subject to it.

None of this is real, except that it is a real delusion.

Thats what the moniker Immortal 1 is about too, by the way.  Some say, and some wonder, if attainment yields immortality, as the texts say that then one is freed from the bonds of life and death. 

At that point you discover that you always were immortal.  Or as I like to put it, after years of struggling to get myself into the safe hands of God I found that I never could have possibly been out of them.

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Parrot-jabber-semantics.  

This life is no isometric exercise.  If the idea of zen wanted to dispense with duality in favour of non-duality, it couldn't because the idea of zen is a duality.  One idea can't dispense with another idea. Tricks are there to trick you - meaning you.

The meaning of immortal is dependent upon comparison with the meaning of mortal - no comparison, no meaning - at some point you may discover that mortals have ideas about immortality. 

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Reply from 9999999
Jan.02.2009
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!
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Jan.02.2009
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Jan.02.2009
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vertical line *unable to be grabbed in her eternal form,
she lets the children play over yonder


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Reply from immortal 1
Jan.03.2009
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All one = alone

Life is an isometric exercise after all.

Duality is the delusion of the Self by the Self, meaning you.

But I like what Shunyro Suzuki says about it.  It is not the idea of Zen to dispense with duality in favor of non-duality.  The trick is to live in duality without losing sight of non-duality, and thereby one masters duality, or rather is not subject to it.

None of this is real, except that it is a real delusion.

Thats what the moniker Immortal 1 is about too, by the way.  Some say, and some wonder, if attainment yields immortality, as the texts say that then one is freed from the bonds of life and death. 

At that point you discover that you always were immortal.  Or as I like to put it, after years of struggling to get myself into the safe hands of God I found that I never could have possibly been out of them.

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Parrot-jabber-semantics.  

This life is no isometric exercise.  If the idea of zen wanted to dispense with duality in favour of non-duality, it couldn't because the idea of zen is a duality.  One idea can't dispense with another idea. Tricks are there to trick you - meaning you.

The meaning of immortal is dependent upon comparison with the meaning of mortal - no comparison, no meaning - at some point you may discover that mortals have ideas about immortality. 

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Actually the idea of Zen, or Chinese Chan, is that a Buddha can transmit attainment to another person, as was first noted in Gautama Buddhas Flower Sermon.  So I suppose you could say that Zen is a dualistic idea, requiring two parts.

Personally I believe that such transmission can only come from Buddha itself, and whether or not through a person is irrelevant as there is but 1 source.  And we are all a part of it.  So if you talk to your finger are you talking to yourself or something separate?  If Buddha transmits to you is the transmission to itself or something separate?

As my Dad lay dying he told me that he did not want to be reincarnated anymore because it hurts too much to die.  I said, That is a tall order Dad, but we will see what we can do.  So I prayed to Buddha to allow him transmission.  A day or two later he received it.

He then refused all food and drink and was dead in 4 days.  I had previously theorized that the reason that it takes so long to reach attainment was that because to receive it without preparation would kill a person.  Maybe I was right.

The only Immortal is that 1 source, thus the moniker Immortal 1, just for fun.  Had to come up with something.

No matter what you say or do, some people will like you and some will not.  But if you change to please the people who do not like you then you might lose the people who like you for who you really are.  So go ahead and do not like me, Rustic, I do not mind.

Duality, non-duality?  Personally, I prefer both at the same time.

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Jan.03.2009
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this transmiting is an idea in your head.

besides we are not alone.

their is how many people on earth?

haha.

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Jan.04.2009
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Alone: Being alone? nobody is alone. It is the mind that makes us think that we are alone. just be aware and u will know that u are not alone.

Yes. to receive the ultimate, without preparation, will lead to death.

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Jan.04.2009
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Quote: "*unable to be grabbed in her eternal form,
she lets the children play over yonder


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;)

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Jan.04.2009
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All one = alone

Life is an isometric exercise after all.

Duality is the delusion of the Self by the Self, meaning you.

But I like what Shunyro Suzuki says about it.  It is not the idea of Zen to dispense with duality in favor of non-duality.  The trick is to live in duality without losing sight of non-duality, and thereby one masters duality, or rather is not subject to it.

None of this is real, except that it is a real delusion.

Thats what the moniker Immortal 1 is about too, by the way.  Some say, and some wonder, if attainment yields immortality, as the texts say that then one is freed from the bonds of life and death. 

At that point you discover that you always were immortal.  Or as I like to put it, after years of struggling to get myself into the safe hands of God I found that I never could have possibly been out of them.

"
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Parrot-jabber-semantics.  

This life is no isometric exercise.  If the idea of zen wanted to dispense with duality in favour of non-duality, it couldn't because the idea of zen is a duality.  One idea can't dispense with another idea. Tricks are there to trick you - meaning you.

The meaning of immortal is dependent upon comparison with the meaning of mortal - no comparison, no meaning - at some point you may discover that mortals have ideas about immortality. 

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Actually the idea of Zen, or Chinese Chan, is that a Buddha can transmit attainment to another person, as was first noted in Gautama Buddhas Flower Sermon.  So I suppose you could say that Zen is a dualistic idea, requiring two parts.

Personally I believe that such transmission can only come from Buddha itself, and whether or not through a person is irrelevant as there is but 1 source.  And we are all a part of it.  So if you talk to your finger are you talking to yourself or something separate?  If Buddha transmits to you is the transmission to itself or something separate?

As my Dad lay dying he told me that he did not want to be reincarnated anymore because it hurts too much to die.  I said, That is a tall order Dad, but we will see what we can do.  So I prayed to Buddha to allow him transmission.  A day or two later he received it.

He then refused all food and drink and was dead in 4 days.  I had previously theorized that the reason that it takes so long to reach attainment was that because to receive it without preparation would kill a person.  Maybe I was right.

The only Immortal is that 1 source, thus the moniker Immortal 1, just for fun.  Had to come up with something.

No matter what you say or do, some people will like you and some will not.  But if you change to please the people who do not like you then you might lose the people who like you for who you really are.  So go ahead and do not like me, Rustic, I do not mind.

Duality, non-duality?  Personally, I prefer both at the same time.

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All one = alone

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Not 1.  Not 2.

Ow1=Twit2

What a great treasure it is when you realise that in you are to be found all the merits and all the faults which exist in the world.



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Only when she's thinking about it and she's thinking about it - she likes to be appreciated. 
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Jan.04.2009
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not correct

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Reply from immortal 1
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Earlier today in a dream I was told, "You are going to get a raise today."

That was hard to believe since I have  been expecting them to ask me to take a paycut because of the recession.  But a few minutes ago the boss came by and gave me a raise.

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Reply from immortal 1
Jan.06.2009
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All one = alone

Life is an isometric exercise after all.

Duality is the delusion of the Self by the Self, meaning you.

But I like what Shunyro Suzuki says about it.  It is not the idea of Zen to dispense with duality in favor of non-duality.  The trick is to live in duality without losing sight of non-duality, and thereby one masters duality, or rather is not subject to it.

None of this is real, except that it is a real delusion.

Thats what the moniker Immortal 1 is about too, by the way.  Some say, and some wonder, if attainment yields immortality, as the texts say that then one is freed from the bonds of life and death. 

At that point you discover that you always were immortal.  Or as I like to put it, after years of struggling to get myself into the safe hands of God I found that I never could have possibly been out of them.

"
.........

Parrot-jabber-semantics.  

This life is no isometric exercise.  If the idea of zen wanted to dispense with duality in favour of non-duality, it couldn't because the idea of zen is a duality.  One idea can't dispense with another idea. Tricks are there to trick you - meaning you.

The meaning of immortal is dependent upon comparison with the meaning of mortal - no comparison, no meaning - at some point you may discover that mortals have ideas about immortality. 

"
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Actually the idea of Zen, or Chinese Chan, is that a Buddha can transmit attainment to another person, as was first noted in Gautama Buddhas Flower Sermon.  So I suppose you could say that Zen is a dualistic idea, requiring two parts.

Personally I believe that such transmission can only come from Buddha itself, and whether or not through a person is irrelevant as there is but 1 source.  And we are all a part of it.  So if you talk to your finger are you talking to yourself or something separate?  If Buddha transmits to you is the transmission to itself or something separate?

As my Dad lay dying he told me that he did not want to be reincarnated anymore because it hurts too much to die.  I said, That is a tall order Dad, but we will see what we can do.  So I prayed to Buddha to allow him transmission.  A day or two later he received it.

He then refused all food and drink and was dead in 4 days.  I had previously theorized that the reason that it takes so long to reach attainment was that because to receive it without preparation would kill a person.  Maybe I was right.

The only Immortal is that 1 source, thus the moniker Immortal 1, just for fun.  Had to come up with something.

No matter what you say or do, some people will like you and some will not.  But if you change to please the people who do not like you then you might lose the people who like you for who you really are.  So go ahead and do not like me, Rustic, I do not mind.

Duality, non-duality?  Personally, I prefer both at the same time.

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All one = alone

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Not 1.  Not 2.

Ow1=Twit2

What a great treasure it is when you realise that in you are to be found all the merits and all the faults which exist in the world.

Not 1.  Not 2.

Ow1=Twit2

What a great treasure it is when you realise that in you are to be found all the merits and all the faults which exist in the world.



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People can be naysayers about things.  But I think you just have to go with your own experiences.  If you do not have any experiences then how could you be expected to believe anything?

Experiences are gained through meditation.  That is the work.  Here we just have talk.  That is not work.  If you do not have anything to talk about then maybe you should get to work.

Actually, Rustic, I've got you figured for a Cluster B Personality Disorder, in my unqualified opinion.  I think you are the kind of person that likes to pick on people that you think are weaker than yourself.  But you came to the wrong place. 

The kind of thinking we do here requires a lot of inner strength.  Your postings only show that you have no inner strength.  I know what you really think of yourself, Rustic, and on that we agree.

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All one = alone

Life is an isometric exercise after all.

Duality is the delusion of the Self by the Self, meaning you.

But I like what Shunyro Suzuki says about it.  It is not the idea of Zen to dispense with duality in favor of non-duality.  The trick is to live in duality without losing sight of non-duality, and thereby one masters duality, or rather is not subject to it.

None of this is real, except that it is a real delusion.

Thats what the moniker Immortal 1 is about too, by the way.  Some say, and some wonder, if attainment yields immortality, as the texts say that then one is freed from the bonds of life and death. 

At that point you discover that you always were immortal.  Or as I like to put it, after years of struggling to get myself into the safe hands of God I found that I never could have possibly been out of them.

"
.........

Parrot-jabber-semantics.  

This life is no isometric exercise.  If the idea of zen wanted to dispense with duality in favour of non-duality, it couldn't because the idea of zen is a duality.  One idea can't dispense with another idea. Tricks are there to trick you - meaning you.

The meaning of immortal is dependent upon comparison with the meaning of mortal - no comparison, no meaning - at some point you may discover that mortals have ideas about immortality. 

"
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Actually the idea of Zen, or Chinese Chan, is that a Buddha can transmit attainment to another person, as was first noted in Gautama Buddhas Flower Sermon.  So I suppose you could say that Zen is a dualistic idea, requiring two parts.

Personally I believe that such transmission can only come from Buddha itself, and whether or not through a person is irrelevant as there is but 1 source.  And we are all a part of it.  So if you talk to your finger are you talking to yourself or something separate?  If Buddha transmits to you is the transmission to itself or something separate?

As my Dad lay dying he told me that he did not want to be reincarnated anymore because it hurts too much to die.  I said, That is a tall order Dad, but we will see what we can do.  So I prayed to Buddha to allow him transmission.  A day or two later he received it.

He then refused all food and drink and was dead in 4 days.  I had previously theorized that the reason that it takes so long to reach attainment was that because to receive it without preparation would kill a person.  Maybe I was right.

The only Immortal is that 1 source, thus the moniker Immortal 1, just for fun.  Had to come up with something.

No matter what you say or do, some people will like you and some will not.  But if you change to please the people who do not like you then you might lose the people who like you for who you really are.  So go ahead and do not like me, Rustic, I do not mind.

Duality, non-duality?  Personally, I prefer both at the same time.

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blue flower sermon...beautiful 

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Now, always now.

I am older than time.  I remember Now as if it were yesterday.

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Temporiphobic. 

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All one = alone

Life is an isometric exercise after all.

Duality is the delusion of the Self by the Self, meaning you.

But I like what Shunyro Suzuki says about it.  It is not the idea of Zen to dispense with duality in favor of non-duality.  The trick is to live in duality without losing sight of non-duality, and thereby one masters duality, or rather is not subject to it.

None of this is real, except that it is a real delusion.

Thats what the moniker Immortal 1 is about too, by the way.  Some say, and some wonder, if attainment yields immortality, as the texts say that then one is freed from the bonds of life and death. 

At that point you discover that you always were immortal.  Or as I like to put it, after years of struggling to get myself into the safe hands of God I found that I never could have possibly been out of them.

"
.........

Parrot-jabber-semantics.  

This life is no isometric exercise.  If the idea of zen wanted to dispense with duality in favour of non-duality, it couldn't because the idea of zen is a duality.  One idea can't dispense with another idea. Tricks are there to trick you - meaning you.

The meaning of immortal is dependent upon comparison with the meaning of mortal - no comparison, no meaning - at some point you may discover that mortals have ideas about immortality. 

"
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Actually the idea of Zen, or Chinese Chan, is that a Buddha can transmit attainment to another person, as was first noted in Gautama Buddhas Flower Sermon.  So I suppose you could say that Zen is a dualistic idea, requiring two parts.

Personally I believe that such transmission can only come from Buddha itself, and whether or not through a person is irrelevant as there is but 1 source.  And we are all a part of it.  So if you talk to your finger are you talking to yourself or something separate?  If Buddha transmits to you is the transmission to itself or something separate?

As my Dad lay dying he told me that he did not want to be reincarnated anymore because it hurts too much to die.  I said, That is a tall order Dad, but we will see what we can do.  So I prayed to Buddha to allow him transmission.  A day or two later he received it.

He then refused all food and drink and was dead in 4 days.  I had previously theorized that the reason that it takes so long to reach attainment was that because to receive it without preparation would kill a person.  Maybe I was right.

The only Immortal is that 1 source, thus the moniker Immortal 1, just for fun.  Had to come up with something.

No matter what you say or do, some people will like you and some will not.  But if you change to please the people who do not like you then you might lose the people who like you for who you really are.  So go ahead and do not like me, Rustic, I do not mind.

Duality, non-duality?  Personally, I prefer both at the same time.

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What a great treasure it is when you realise that in you are to be found all the merits and all the faults which exist in the world.

Not 1.  Not 2.

Ow1=Twit2

What a great treasure it is when you realise that in you are to be found all the merits and all the faults which exist in the world.



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People can be naysayers about things.  But I think you just have to go with your own experiences.  If you do not have any experiences then how could you be expected to believe anything?

Experiences are gained through meditation.  That is the work.  Here we just have talk.  That is not work.  If you do not have anything to talk about then maybe you should get to work.

Actually, Rustic, I've got you figured for a Cluster B Personality Disorder, in my unqualified opinion.  I think you are the kind of person that likes to pick on people that you think are weaker than yourself.  But you came to the wrong place. 

The kind of thinking we do here requires a lot of inner strength.  Your postings only show that you have no inner strength.  I know what you really think of yourself, Rustic, and on that we agree.

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Sweetness, the above post ^is what HELP ME sounds like. 


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All one = alone

Life is an isometric exercise after all.

Duality is the delusion of the Self by the Self, meaning you.

But I like what Shunyro Suzuki says about it.  It is not the idea of Zen to dispense with duality in favor of non-duality.  The trick is to live in duality without losing sight of non-duality, and thereby one masters duality, or rather is not subject to it.

None of this is real, except that it is a real delusion.

Thats what the moniker Immortal 1 is about too, by the way.  Some say, and some wonder, if attainment yields immortality, as the texts say that then one is freed from the bonds of life and death. 

At that point you discover that you always were immortal.  Or as I like to put it, after years of struggling to get myself into the safe hands of God I found that I never could have possibly been out of them.

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Parrot-jabber-semantics.  

This life is no isometric exercise.  If the idea of zen wanted to dispense with duality in favour of non-duality, it couldn't because the idea of zen is a duality.  One idea can't dispense with another idea. Tricks are there to trick you - meaning you.

The meaning of immortal is dependent upon comparison with the meaning of mortal - no comparison, no meaning - at some point you may discover that mortals have ideas about immortality. 

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Actually the idea of Zen, or Chinese Chan, is that a Buddha can transmit attainment to another person, as was first noted in Gautama Buddhas Flower Sermon.  So I suppose you could say that Zen is a dualistic idea, requiring two parts.

Personally I believe that such transmission can only come from Buddha itself, and whether or not through a person is irrelevant as there is but 1 source.  And we are all a part of it.  So if you talk to your finger are you talking to yourself or something separate?  If Buddha transmits to you is the transmission to itself or something separate?

As my Dad lay dying he told me that he did not want to be reincarnated anymore because it hurts too much to die.  I said, That is a tall order Dad, but we will see what we can do.  So I prayed to Buddha to allow him transmission.  A day or two later he received it.

He then refused all food and drink and was dead in 4 days.  I had previously theorized that the reason that it takes so long to reach attainment was that because to receive it without preparation would kill a person.  Maybe I was right.

The only Immortal is that 1 source, thus the moniker Immortal 1, just for fun.  Had to come up with something.

No matter what you say or do, some people will like you and some will not.  But if you change to please the people who do not like you then you might lose the people who like you for who you really are.  So go ahead and do not like me, Rustic, I do not mind.

Duality, non-duality?  Personally, I prefer both at the same time.

"
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Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "

Quote: ""

All one = alone

"................

Not 1.  Not 2.

Ow1=Twit2

What a great treasure it is when you realise that in you are to be found all the merits and all the faults which exist in the world.

Not 1.  Not 2.

Ow1=Twit2

What a great treasure it is when you realise that in you are to be found all the merits and all the faults which exist in the world.



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People can be naysayers about things.  But I think you just have to go with your own experiences.  If you do not have any experiences then how could you be expected to believe anything?

Experiences are gained through meditation.  That is the work.  Here we just have talk.  That is not work.  If you do not have anything to talk about then maybe you should get to work.

Actually, Rustic, I've got you figured for a Cluster B Personality Disorder, in my unqualified opinion.  I think you are the kind of person that likes to pick on people that you think are weaker than yourself.  But you came to the wrong place. 

The kind of thinking we do here requires a lot of inner strength.  Your postings only show that you have no inner strength.  I know what you really think of yourself, Rustic, and on that we agree.

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^Is this the kind of thing that lehish lets you get away with? ^
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