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  One day when Fa-yen Wen-i (885-958), one of the well known Chinese Ch'an masters,
has ascended his seat. From the assembly, a monk came out and asked:
-What is one drop of water from the fount of Tsao-ch'i?
Fa-yen repied:
-It's... continue...

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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: COUNTING BREATH. OR NOT
vertical line Posted on Jan.15.2009 @ 05:11PM EDT by Starmonger
I have recently started doing zen meditation. Before that I was doing a standard breathing mediation which I learned from listening to some Jack Kornfield begginers meditation tapes. Bascicly it was 'following the breath' like in zen. Now I have this book called 'Zen training, Methods and philosophy' and I'm using it to teach me how to do Zen meditation. However, when i do 'counting the breath', it seems boring, and i much prefer just following the breath as I feel more clear and calm. When counting i don't loose count, but still have thoughts over the top of the counting, and it just seems a bit boring and annoying compared with simply following the breath- like it's more of an effort. Though, i have read a few places that you shouldn't think of each method as better than another, and that they are all as good, or something. So should I just stick with following the breath, or is it crucial that i learn counting the breath for a while?
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Reply from Woodsman
Jan.15.2009
05:53PM EDT 
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vertical line Read 'Touching Enlightenment Finding Realization in the Body' by Reginald Ray

A Kornfield quote on back reads, "Through his own deep experience, Reggie Ray skillfully guides us into an awakened bodily life. He offers necessary, wise, and liberating practices of realization within our mysterious human form." 
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Reply from so_teh
Jan.15.2009
06:18PM EDT 
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I like what Lama Surya Das Says on an Audio: "This Moment called 'The Moment' Right now, Nowness... The Moment of Dozgchen."

So whatever keeps you at your most present state of awareness and ease.

Go with that.

sit_teh

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Reply from ______
Jan.15.2009
07:11PM EDT 
vertical line Boring? Looking? You might like to read Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism by Chogyam Trungpa and Osho's Book of Secrets
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Reply from 9999999
Jan.17.2009
03:24AM EDT 
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DOROTHY
Oh, will you help me? Can you help me?

GLINDA
You don't need to be helped any longer.
You've always had the power to go back to
Kansas.

DOROTHY
I have?

SCARECROW
Then why didn't you tell her before?

GLINDA
Because she wouldn't have believed me.
She had to learn it for herself.

TIN MAN
What have you learned, Dorothy?


DOROTHY
Well, I -- I think that it -- that it
wasn't enough just to want to see Uncle
Henry and Auntie Em -- and it's that --
if I ever go looking for my heart's
desire again, I won't look any further
than my own backyard. Because if it
isn't there, I never really lost it to
begin with! Is that right?


GLINDA
That's all it is!

SCARECROW
But that's so easy! I should have
thought of it for you.


TIN MAN
I should have felt it in my heart.

GLINDA
No. She had to find it out for herself.
Now, those magic slippers will take you
home in two seconds!

DOROTHY
Oh....
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Reply from lehish
Jan.17.2009
03:39AM EDT 
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Reply from Starmonger
Jan.18.2009
12:28PM EDT 
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has anyone read: Shambhala: The Sacred Path of the Warrior

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Shambhala-Sacred-Warrior-Pocket-Classics/dp/1570621284/ref=pd_sim_b_1/279-9912798-5848506

The reviewers seem very excited about it. Or are reviews like this not to be trusted?

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Reply from -----0
Jan.18.2009
01:30PM EDT 
vertical line Chögyam Trungpa? Yes.
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Reply from Woodsman
Jan.18.2009
03:00PM EDT 
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vertical line Anybody named Mary, wearing a dress. Ok.
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Reply from Woodsman
Jan.18.2009
04:43PM EDT 
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vertical line ...or not : )
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Reply from -----0
Jan.19.2009
01:56PM EDT 
vertical line It is your own experience that counts
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Reply from Rebecca
Jan.19.2009
06:08PM EDT 
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There is a rhythum....... Makes me sad. It is Nigerian

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Reply from Rebecca
Jan.19.2009
06:09PM EDT 
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And I love him.....................

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