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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: JIDDU KRISHNAMURTI
vertical line Posted on Feb.01.2009 @ 10:19PM EDT by Mslapik

"The core of Krishnamurti's teaching is contained in the statement he made in 1929 when he said: 'Truth is a pathless land'. Man cannot come to it through any organization, through any creed, through any dogma, priest or ritual, not through any philosophic knowledge or psychological technique. He has to find it through the mirror of relationship, through the understanding of the contents of his own mind, through observation and not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection. Man has built in himself images as a fence of security - religious, political, personal. These manifest as symbols, ideas, beliefs. The burden of these images dominates man's thinking, his relationships and his daily life. These images are the causes of our problems for they divide man from man. His perception of life is shaped by the concepts already established in his mind. The content of his consciousness is his entire existence. This content is common to all humanity. The individuality is the name, the form and superficial culture he acquires from tradition and environment. The uniqueness of man does not lie in the superficial but in complete freedom from the content of his consciousness, which is common to all mankind. So he is not an individual.

Freedom is not a reaction; freedom is not a choice. It is man's pretence that because he has choice he is free. Freedom is pure observation without direction, without fear of punishment and reward. Freedom is without motive; freedom is not at the end of the evolution of man but lies in the first step of his existence. In observation one begins to discover the lack of freedom. Freedom is found in the choiceless awareness of our daily existence and activity. Thought is time. Thought is born of experience and knowledge which are inseparable from time and the past. Time is the psychological enemy of man. Our action is based on knowledge and therefore time, so man is always a slave to the past. Thought is ever-limited and so we live in constant conflict and struggle. There is no psychological evolution.

When man becomes aware of the movement of his own thoughts he will see the division between the thinker and thought, the observer and the observed, the experiencer and the experience. He will discover that this division is an illusion. Then only is there pure observation which is insight without any shadow of the past or of time. This timeless insight brings about a deep radical mutation in the mind.

Total negation is the essence of the positive. When there is negation of all those things that thought has brought about psychologically, only then is there love, which is compassion and intelligence."


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Reply from Woodsman
Feb.01.2009
10:45PM EDT 
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vertical line Maybe 1 out of 100 people could, would feel inclined... number 1 -  to read it, and number 2 - apply it...  the total flip,  ok, 2 out of 100, on opposite ends of the room, unless it was a circle, like the earth, then eventually has to spread out, but not so easily due to the resistance of form under gravity. The conditions will not change  until we stop resisting the opposites, stop requiring pleasure to seed us.

so one gets pretty alone feeling, but in a good way, without thinking it
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Reply from 9999999
Feb.02.2009
01:40AM EDT 
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vertical line Jiddu makes me want to gag
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Reply from Rebecca
Feb.02.2009
02:31AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Jiddu makes me want to gag "
........hahaha!
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Reply from Master Zen
Feb.02.2009
04:05AM EDT 
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vertical line it's the "thinking poison"
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Reply from zen-zen
Feb.02.2009
04:16AM EDT 
vertical line It's the poison that kills the thought. It is the wise man who sees that this must be done.
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Reply from lehish
Feb.02.2009
04:20AM EDT 
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vertical line thought can be killed ? ;)
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Reply from so_teh
Feb.02.2009
12:22PM EDT 
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Then the correct antidote needs to be applied to relieve the stain left by the poison also removing the unnecessary imprints of effort!

Bottoms Up!

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Reply from zen-zen
Feb.02.2009
03:50PM EDT 
vertical line Yes lehish, something needs to cease.
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Reply from lehish
Feb.02.2009
04:00PM EDT 
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can thought be killed ?

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Reply from lehish
Feb.02.2009
04:16PM EDT 
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Quote: "It's the poison that kills the thought. It is the wise man who sees that this must be done."
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are saying thinking must be done to kill thinking ?

can nose kill nose ?

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Reply from 9999999
Feb.02.2009
04:22PM EDT 
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vertical line nothing needs to cease
no thought has ever existed
nothing has ever happened;
all is well
in the
infinite
ocean
of
pure
being

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Reply from Woodsman
Feb.02.2009
06:52PM EDT 
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vertical line nothing needs to cease, no thought has ever existed, nothing has ever happened; all is well in the infinite ocean of pure
being

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Reply from Mslapik
Feb.02.2009
09:07PM EDT 
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vertical line QUESTION:
"Total negation is the essence of the positive. When there is negation of all those things that thought has brought about psychologically, only then is there love, which is compassion and intelligence."

What does that mean? Why is total negation positive?
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Reply from lehish
Feb.02.2009
09:28PM EDT 
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Quote: "nothing needs to cease
no thought has ever existed
nothing has ever happened;
all is well
in the
infinite
ocean
of
pure
being

"
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going
 to wash

 bowl

:)

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Reply from 9999999
Feb.02.2009
10:43PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "QUESTION:
"Total negation is the essence of the positive. When there is negation of all those things that thought has brought about psychologically, only then is there love, which is compassion and intelligence."

What does that mean? Why is total negation positive?
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It's total garbage.  For those who like to think about concepts--it will occupy their attention for a while..then they will get bored...and move on to new concepts.  rinse and repeat
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Reply from 9999999
Feb.02.2009
10:44PM EDT 
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vertical line heheh hohooh hehehe hohoho

i keed
i keed
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Reply from Rebecca
Feb.03.2009
12:22AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "nothing needs to cease
no thought has ever existed
nothing has ever happened;
all is well
in the
infinite
ocean
of
pure
being

"like this too.
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Reply from lehish
Feb.03.2009
12:25AM EDT 
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Quote: "Guess Krishnamurti are talking about.. the others.."people" "
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was talking about 'thinking'-i-others

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Reply from zen-zen
Feb.03.2009
04:08AM EDT 
vertical line Cheeky zen discussion. Not very helpful for someone who's not born into this forum's inner circle or wishes to start understanding, learning or practicing.

Pride.
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Reply from 9999999
Feb.03.2009
04:34AM EDT 
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vertical line you only want to help yourself
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Reply from lehish
Feb.03.2009
07:35AM EDT 
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Quote: "Cheeky zen discussion. Not very helpful for someone who's not born into this forum's inner circle or wishes to start understanding, learning or practicing.

Pride.
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what did you read as though is "cheeky", as though "pride" ?

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