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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: SIMPLE ZEN.
vertical line Posted on Feb.08.2009 @ 03:47AM EDT by shayne

the highest principle of zen is this -

to sit and count the breaths or follow the breaths.

nothing else.

nothing to grasp except for the very nature of the mind that follows the breaths.

be free with it ( the attention ) and look into all the ten million things of this earth.

i am free.

free from the delusion of seeking an enlightenment that will never come save with the extinction of seeking one.

afterall who made up enlightenment?

seems like a made up word to me.

realize the nature of the mind.

grasp it directly.


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Reply from lehish
Feb.08.2009
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where did read most of that shayne ?

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Reply from shayne
Feb.08.2009
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where did read most of that shayne ?

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didnt read it anywhere.

grasped it myself.

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Reply from Woodsman
Feb.08.2009
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vertical line let go pony boy
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Feb.08.2009
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where did read most of that shayne ?

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didnt read it anywhere.

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referring "nature of mind" "10 million things" ("10 thousand things") which have read quoted, on forums, from books

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Reply from -----0
Feb.08.2009
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what a big load we carry around, this Zen literature

it was not the Masters that wrote it, it was those deluded monks spying on them

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Reply from CrazyHorse
Feb.08.2009
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what a big load we carry around, this Zen literature

it was not the Masters that wrote it, it was those deluded monks spying on them

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I  think  that  is  probably  right.  If  I'm  not  mistaken  satori involves the individuals questions ceasing and  his  life  genuinely  beginning with him / her being  at  home in  his / her own  skin and  not  contaminated  by concepts that  are imposed  by  someone else.

Most  people miss 'reality'.

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Reply from Woodsman
Feb.08.2009
11:34PM EDT 
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vertical line You'll know when ya see it, nobody has to tell you anything, you just know inside, can begin with the most simple sound, motion. Then, before you can put a finger on it, it begins somewhere totally unrelated. Whenever I try and predict it happening I am never right, then when I let go, it floods.
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Reply from lehish
Feb.08.2009
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what a big load we carry around, this Zen literature

it was not the Masters that wrote it, it was those deluded monks spying on them

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the quotes which read on forums were quoting tao te ching and  posts discussing tibetan buddhism

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Reply from lehish
Feb.08.2009
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "

what a big load we carry around, this Zen literature

it was not the Masters that wrote it, it was those deluded monks spying on them

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I  think  that  is  probably  right.  If  I'm  not  mistaken  satori involves the individuals questions ceasing and  his  life  genuinely  beginning with him / her being  at  home in  his / her own  skin and  not  contaminated  by concepts that  are imposed  by  someone else.

Most  people miss 'reality'.
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I  think  that  is  probably  right.  If  I'm  not  mistaken  satori involves the individuals questions ceasing and  his  life  genuinely  beginning with him / her being  at  home in  his / her own  skin and  not  contaminated  by concepts that  are imposed  by  someone else.

Most  people miss 'reality'.
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questions can be used, a tool

don't assume all questions are for asking for an answer

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Reply from IZIZIZ
Feb.09.2009
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nothing to grasp except for the very nature of the mind that follows the breaths.

What do you find here shayne?

With respect I would like to know your answer.

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Reply from shayne
Feb.09.2009
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nothing to grasp except for the very nature of the mind that follows the breaths.

What do you find here shayne?

With respect I would like to know your answer.

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what else but my very mind.

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Reply from immortal 1
Feb.11.2009
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where did read most of that shayne ?

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That is pure Shayne, Sweetie, he is still trying to start up the Church of Attention.

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Reply from immortal 1
Feb.11.2009
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what a big load we carry around, this Zen literature

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Yeah, cool.

The thing about the Masters is that they know they are not Masters of anything.

Dogen refused to allow himself to be referred to as Master.

Its an idea that only has value to those who wish to be Masters themselves someday.

Which is what you said.

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Reply from shayne
Feb.11.2009
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where did read most of that shayne ?

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That is pure Shayne, Sweetie, he is still trying to start up the Church of Attention.

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im NOT attempting anything.

im pointing out the obvious.

get a grip.

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Reply from shayne
Feb.11.2009
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "

what a big load we carry around, this Zen literature

it was not the Masters that wrote it, it was those deluded monks spying on them

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Yeah, cool.

The thing about the Masters is that they know they are not Masters of anything.

Dogen refused to allow himself to be referred to as Master.

Its an idea that only has value to those who wish to be Masters themselves someday.

Which is what you said.

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thats because they have yet to control the very essence of their own minds.

haha.

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Reply from lehish
Feb.13.2009
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where did read most of that shayne ?

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That is pure Shayne, Sweetie, he is still trying to start up the Church of Attention.

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:) ah that church

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Feb.13.2009
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where did read most of that shayne ?

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That is pure Shayne, Sweetie, he is still trying to start up the Church of Attention.

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im NOT attempting anything.

im pointing out the obvious.

get a grip.

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is that so ?

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Reply from lehish
Feb.13.2009
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what a big load we carry around, this Zen literature

it was not the Masters that wrote it, it was those deluded monks spying on them

"
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Yeah, cool.

The thing about the Masters is that they know they are not Masters of anything.

Dogen refused to allow himself to be referred to as Master.

Its an idea that only has value to those who wish to be Masters themselves someday.

Which is what you said.

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thats because they have yet to control the very essence of their own minds.

haha.

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can you an example "control the very essence" ?

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