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  Posted on Aug.20.2009 @ 11:07PM EDT by chontri

Bhikkhus, what is ignorance?
Not knowing suffering,
Not knowing the origin of suffering,
Not knowing the cessation of suffering,
Not knowing the path leading to... continue...

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is part of the ego-dream
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I feel compassion

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vertical line I might think I feel compassion but an honest look will reveal that nothing is there.
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have another look . . . without trying

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Feb.10.2009
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vertical line If  I  understand it  correctly, compassion in a  Buddhist sense manifests itself as  a  result  of  seeing others suffering  because  they  don't  understand  the  nature  of  life  and  their  own  being.
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Feb.10.2009
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...i'm alive
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vertical line Quote: "If  I  understand it  correctly, compassion in a  Buddhist sense manifests itself as  a  result  of  seeing others suffering  because  they  don't  understand  the  nature  of  life  and  their  own  being. "
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to see others suffering because they don't understand the nature of their own being would be an assumption

if you really want to know, and not assume, then ask them.
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Feb.10.2009
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vertical line compassion is not limited towards those who suffer, it goes for everything
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vertical line compassion is unnecessary and unreal

an ephemeral idea
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Feb.10.2009
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vertical line nobody else is interested in your compassion, only you are.
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Feb.10.2009
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vertical line Quote: "nobody else is interested in your compassion, only you are. "
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Feb.10.2009
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vertical line I have seen compassion in people's eyes and a profound awareness of it
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vertical line Quote: "I might think I feel compassion but an honest look will reveal that nothing is there. "
......... Compassion is truly feeling for anothers pain or stuggles. It can be that you are saying that you understand and I am a vessel.It is real, with no rewards and no real fixing ability.Maybe giving strength to help one help themselves. And to say "I care"
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Feb.10.2009
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vertical line Quote: "compassion is not limited towards those who suffer, it goes for everything"


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I  was  of  the understanding  that in a  Buddhist  context  life here  on  earth  was 'suffering'.

Am  I  wrong?  Point me  in  the  direction  you think  best.

Texts etc.
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Feb.10.2009
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vertical line is there any suffering?  how can one say that there is suffering without thinking about it?
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Feb.10.2009
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Quote: "I might think I feel compassion but an honest look will reveal that nothing is there. "
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I see perfection in the imperfection of others with compassion.

When one think of compassion, there is no compassion at all.

There is no condition to love somebody but unconditional love 

With Metta

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I  was  of  the understanding  that in a  Buddhist  context  life here  on  earth  was 'suffering'.

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I am interested  in helping  those  in  pain.

The  world  view they  have makes them  hurt.

Got  any  answers?
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Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "compassion is not limited towards those who suffer, it goes for everything"


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I  was  of  the understanding  that in a  Buddhist  context  life here  on  earth  was 'suffering'.

Am  I  wrong?  Point me  in  the  direction  you think  best.

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I am interested  in helping  those  in  pain.

The  world  view they  have makes them  hurt.

Got  any  answers?
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They will go on hurting themselve until you show them the way.

With Metta

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Quote: "is there any suffering?  how can one say that there is suffering without thinking about it? "
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suffering isn't imagined-sufferer

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vertical line if there's not trying to escape when great paining, there's no thinking 'a sufferer'
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Quote: "compassion is unnecessary and unreal

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clarity perfumes compassion

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vertical line Quote: "if there's not trying to escape when great paining, there's no thinking 'a sufferer'"
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Quote: "only if you say so "
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saying "clarity perfumes compassion" cannot make this so

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compassion isn't any thought about compassion

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true.

well said.

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I  was  of  the understanding  that in a  Buddhist  context  life here  on  earth  was 'suffering'.

Am  I  wrong?  Point me  in  the  direction  you think  best.

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Buddhism does not introduce any new suffering. It does not say: "Look, you ignorant people, you think you are having fun but in reality you suffer." You yourself are the one who may experience suffering or not and if you do, then Buddhism claims to have a medicine for that.

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Quote: "is there any suffering?  how can one say that there is suffering without thinking about it? "
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You have seen mountains and rivers. Then you noticed a unity of everything: things are illusions, actually all is ONE. Now you are puzzled with nothingness: no suffering, no compassion. Just one step more and you will be back to mountains and rivers, but this time on a different level.

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Quote: "Quote: "compassion is not limited towards those who suffer, it goes for everything"
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I  was  of  the understanding  that in a  Buddhist  context  life here  on  earth  was 'suffering'.

Am  I  wrong?  Point me  in  the  direction  you think  best.

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Buddhism does not introduce any new suffering. It does not say: "Look, you ignorant people, you think you are having fun but in reality you suffer." You yourself are the one who may experience suffering or not and if you do, then Buddhism claims to have a medicine for that.

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This  is  an  insightful reply  and  something I  need  to 'think' about.

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Quote: "is there any suffering?  how can one say that there is suffering without thinking about it? "
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You have seen mountains and rivers. Then you noticed a unity of everything: things are illusions, actually all is ONE. Now you are puzzled with nothingness: no suffering, no compassion. Just one step more and you will be back to mountains and rivers, but this time on a different level.

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will you say more about that?

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vertical line Quote: "if there's not trying to escape when great paining, there's no thinking 'a sufferer'"
......... then one is facing that suffering in much pain until it calms....and a chance to be watchful is cleared away . Think it might take awhile for one who suffers to stop feeling the pain.
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Compassion is an emotion

If compassion is neccessary or important in some way to Buddhists then all emotions must be important and neccessary. Yet, emotions are the root of our desires. And we are told our desires cause our suffering. Yet without passion there is no compassion. But we are told to hold to nothing. So, either all emotions are okay or none of them. However - we have them - and would be less than human to negate them all. It seems that we need our emotions - all of them - and that compassion, charity and humility are ideals to be strived for but can never be acheived if we destroy all anger, pride and arrogance in the process - for they are the other side of the coin.

Jareth

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vertical line Compassion is being in union with all emotion and sensation. The achievement being - the awakening from delusion of where we are not. We are not in our heads, thoughts, and grandiose play states, only. We are in union with suffering, individually and collectively, the body/mind communion, and not as by creating more, but in being with, another, equally well as with our own will to reunite body and spirit, again. Compassion is as much spirit as body, spirit meaning light, as we arise out of the darkness of the suffering body. Light,  compassion spreading out to all left alone in darkness, depression, fear and pain. To be, with another, as in Self, as in anyone, nonduality is realized as arising body, soul, heart, love and spirit.
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vertical line The term "compassion" I feel, is rather weak in the English language. A much better word is "empathy", that one separates the wolves from the lambs, or causes the lion to lie down with the lamb... here to, the metaphor has to do with union related to rest, and connection, connectedness to earth, and even interconnection through shared natures on earth, within earth's domain.
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Quote: "The term "compassion" I feel, is rather weak in the English language. A much better word is "empathy"
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compassion not 'of an imagined i-you which empthizes as though with'

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Quote: "Quote: "if there's not trying to escape when great paining, there's no thinking 'a sufferer'"
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yes cannot watcful if seems as though "facing that suffering"

yes if seems as though a sufferer, memory-pain can continue paining

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vertical line Empathy is essentially anti-sympathy. Sympathy is for religionists with a royal flush up the sleeve, awfulising - ‘oh how awful for you’. Death appears, someone is perceived as lost to death, and we say, “Let me know if there is anything I can do to help, anything at all” sincere but ultimately empty words. I may provide practical assistance, and be there, I can look, listen and act fellow-feeling, yet I know from my experience that there is little I can do to help in any real sense. I suffer with, sometimes all I can do is cry or sing along.

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will you say more about that?
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will you say more about that?
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Not much to say. I just meant that since you don't see compassion any more, you may have got stuck with emptiness.

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vertical line I only see what's in front of me.  I don't see compassion and I don't see emptiness.  I do not know what I see.

What do you see?
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vertical line I do not know what I see. Yet I would be the blindest man on earth not to know my shape as a human whose finest quality is compassion.
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vertical line When this fine quality of human compassion is felt and extended to your family and friends, is it a sentiment, a form of group empathy? Or is it true empathy? Is it equal to the quality of compassion you may feel for the unknown victims of war, oppression, torture, animal abuse, disease, old-age and death, or are you sympathetic? Is it equal to the compassion you may feel for the homeless and the bankers with their billion dollar bonuses? Is it equal to the compassion you may feel for Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot et al? Sympathy is a safe emotion, compassion is not safe, compassion is like laying down in the snow and leaping into the fire with Martin Luther King and Adolf Hitler. Can you show your awareness of the rising or not rising of others?
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vertical line When we respond out of compassion, and not fall into the pit of anger, fear based trauma,  we set into motion a change that has never been realized before, and may feel very alone, which is part of one's reality free of fear. We may seem to represent nothing, no power, and in that place become the animal of man, cast off, repelled. So as to take notice of loss, of ego. Once ego dies, the identity opens to the separate self, formed by fear, all fear in any form.
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