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  A monk came to say good bye to Ch'an master Niaowo (Bird's Nest). He said:
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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: FIRST DAY OF CLASS
vertical line Posted on Feb.28.2009 @ 04:32AM EDT by immortal 1

On the first day of class, my Philosophy Professor came into the room and said:

     If you have come here for answers, you will be disappointed.  All you will leave here with are more questions than you have now.

     If you ask an electrician what electricity is, he will say, I hook up the wires, screw in a bulb, hit the switch, and there is light.  Presto !!

     If you as a physicist what electricity is, he will say, I do not know.

And that is the way it is with Zen Buddhism too.  The more you learn the less you know.

If you get anything out of it at all, it will be not needing to know.

    


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Reply from shayne
Feb.28.2009
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thats cause he was a quack.

haha.

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Reply from IZIZIZ
Feb.28.2009
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Because it is IS.

The more you learn about IS the lesser and lesser you know becomes more and more obvious and evident.

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Reply from lehish
Feb.28.2009
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thats cause he was a quack.

haha.

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thinking a quack it will seem as though a quack

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Feb.28.2009
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thats cause he was a quack.

haha.

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 No.  He was not a quack, he was Mr. Immortal's philology professor. 

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Reply from -----0
Feb.28.2009
08:12AM EDT 
vertical line touch bare wires with the finger, and you will learn what electricity is
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Reply from chontri
Feb.28.2009
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Because it is IS.

The more you learn about IS the lesser and lesser you know becomes more and more obvious and evident.

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"The more you learn about IS the lesser and lesser you know becomes more and more obvious and evident.": DEAD END.

The more you learn about NOTHING the lesser and lesser you know becomes more and more obvious and evident: DEAD END.

So, you run from IS to NOTHING,
and from NOTHING to IS.

It seems the run never ends.

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Feb.28.2009
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Quote: "touch bare wires with the finger, and you will learn what electricity is"
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Excellent!  The words from an experiencer. 

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Feb.28.2009
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Because it is IS.

The more you learn about IS the lesser and lesser you know becomes more and more obvious and evident.

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"The more you learn about IS the lesser and lesser you know becomes more and more obvious and evident.": DEAD END.

The more you learn about NOTHING the lesser and lesser you know becomes more and more obvious and evident: DEAD END.

So, you run from IS to NOTHING,
and from NOTHING to IS.

It seems the run never ends.

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Dont let it worry you Mr Chontri.

Let your ox eat the neighbours grass sometimes.

The ox does not know the boundaries that us humans may invent.

The earth itself grows no fences.

Just stay calm. Dont fear your neighbour.

Experience can be a scary thing.

Imagine.

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Feb.28.2009
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Because it is IS.

The more you learn about IS the lesser and lesser you know becomes more and more obvious and evident.

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"The more you learn about IS the lesser and lesser you know becomes more and more obvious and evident.": DEAD END.

The more you learn about NOTHING the lesser and lesser you know becomes more and more obvious and evident: DEAD END.

So, you run from IS to NOTHING,
and from NOTHING to IS.

It seems the run never ends.

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Dont let it worry you Mr Chontri.

Let your ox eat the neighbours grass sometimes.

The ox does not know the boundaries that us humans may invent.

The earth itself grows no fences.

Just stay calm. Dont fear your neighbour.

Experience can be a scary thing.

Imagine.

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No worry or fear or scare... at all, Mr. IZIZIZ.

Of course, your ox doesn't know where the limit is and neither do you. 
Therefore, you may let your ox eat on your neighbor's at times. 
Your neighbor will take care of you and your ox.

ChonTri's Ox would not do that.

You may not have fence but your neighbor may.
The earth has its limit, but you don't know that.

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Feb.28.2009
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vertical line Yes but, but, seems like Immortal 1 knows everything, so what happened on the second day?
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Reply from ______
Feb.28.2009
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Electricity isn't limited by bare wires. You can learn what electricity is without touching bare wires. 
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Feb.28.2009
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Quote: "Yes but, but, seems like Immortal 1 knows everything, so what happened on the second day?"
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ChonTri knows nothing about the second day.  Would you like to ask Mr. Immortal1 or his professor?  They might know.

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Feb.28.2009
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Electricity isn't limited by bare wires. You can learn what electricity is without touching bare wires. 

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You mean that someone who'd like to experience of electricity just stands somewhere waiting until some lightning happens and comes to him, don't you?

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Electricity isn't limited by bare wires. You can learn what electricity is without touching bare wires. 

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You mean that someone who'd like to experience of electricity just stands somewhere waiting until some lightning happens and comes to him, don't you?

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No.
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Reply from ______
Feb.28.2009
09:26AM EDT 
vertical line I'm returning your ox. Take care of him.
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Feb.28.2009
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Quote: "I'm returning your ox. Take care of him."
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The Ox is already home.

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Feb.28.2009
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vertical line I wanted to see for myself, so I touched my tongue to a 9 volt battery. Now I know, but that's not gonna help anyone else :O
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Feb.28.2009
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vertical line Talking about it will only entertain those who like to think about it.
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Feb.28.2009
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vertical line And no...Uhh... I can't verify that last statement :O
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Feb.28.2009
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Quote: "And no...Uhh... I can't verify that last statement :O"
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You did goood job here, Mr. 9...

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Quote: "I wanted to see for myself, so I touched my tongue to a 9 volt battery. Now I know, but that's not gonna help anyone else :O"
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A greaaat job's been done by you here, Mr. 9...

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Reply from Woodsman
Feb.28.2009
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vertical line Ask the teacher, "Is it possible to create less suffering in the world, today, right now?"

And, "What is the source of suffering at this very moment? How do we know suffering, how is it identified?"
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Reply from -----0
Mar.01.2009
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When a person is dying and somebody prevents it, is that helping or not helping?

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Reply from ______
Mar.01.2009
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"What is the source of suffering at this very moment? How do we know suffering, how is it identified?"
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Internal duality - external separation.
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When a person is dying and somebody prevents it, is that helping or not helping?

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Neither.
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Mar.01.2009
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When a person is dying and somebody prevents it, is that helping or not helping?

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.........If they want it.

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When a person is dying and somebody prevents it, is that helping or not helping?

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If you are the one who is dying and don't want any help, just die.
If you are the one who'd like to prevents, just prevent. 

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Mar.02.2009
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vertical line Baby boom, boom, boom in the room.
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