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vertical line Posted on Mar.03.2009 @ 01:40PM EDT by ______

I must tell you something now or mislead you. And I would rather die than mislead you on this Path that is so beautiful and so hard. For a false step can mean death or madness, or futility or the destruction of years of hard-won attainment. What I want to tell you is that all of these words I speak, out of love and inspiration and whatever knowledge God has graced me with, are for the sake of the person who needs words in order to understand. As for the person who understands, obviously he or she doesn't need words at all. In fact, to the one who really understands, the heavens and the earth themselves are ‘words’; after all, they came into being through ‘words’—the Divine Words "Be! And it is." If someone can hear a subtle whisper, is there any need to shout and scream? Make everything in you an ear, each atom of your being, and you will hear at every moment what the Source is whispering to you, just to you and for you, without any need for my words or anyone else's. You are—we all are—the beloved of the Beloved, and in every moment, in every event of your life, the Beloved is whispering to you exactly what you need to hear and know. Who can ever explain this miracle? It simply is. Listen and you will discover it every passing moment. Listen and your whole life will become a conversation in thought and act between you and Him, directly, wordlessly, now and always. It was to enjoy this conversation that you and I were created.


~Jalal al-Din Rumi



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Mar.03.2009
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vertical line She said it, I did, it, she said, I did, and then, I didn't say it, like she did, or like she said I did, picked a booger out of my nose, and now, well, I did.
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Mar.04.2009
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I must tell you something now or mislead you. And I would rather die than mislead you on this Path that is so beautiful and so hard. For a false step can mean death or madness, or futility or the destruction of years of hard-won attainment. What I want to tell you is that all of these words I speak, out of love and inspiration and whatever knowledge God has graced me with, are for the sake of the person who needs words in order to understand. As for the person who understands, obviously he or she doesn't need words at all. In fact, to the one who really understands, the heavens and the earth themselves are ‘words’; after all, they came into being through ‘words’—the Divine Words "Be! And it is." If someone can hear a subtle whisper, is there any need to shout and scream? Make everything in you an ear, each atom of your being, and you will hear at every moment what the Source is whispering to you, just to you and for you, without any need for my words or anyone else's. You are—we all are—the beloved of the Beloved, and in every moment, in every event of your life, the Beloved is whispering to you exactly what you need to hear and know. Who can ever explain this miracle? It simply is. Listen and you will discover it every passing moment. Listen and your whole life will become a conversation in thought and act between you and Him, directly, wordlessly, now and always. It was to enjoy this conversation that you and I were created.


~Jalal al-Din Rumi

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Good thing and well said.

Whatever thing good is said, whatever good intention is aimed, whatever good word is used, when a hearer or listener or reader or follower is unable to understand or misunderstand it, then that good will go in vain or bring up an anti-effect.

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Whatever thing good is said, whatever good intention is aimed, whatever good word is used, when a hearer or listener or reader or follower is unable to understand or misunderstand it, then that good will go in vain or bring up an anti-effect.

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Mar.04.2009
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I must tell you something now or mislead you. And I would rather die than mislead you on this Path that is so beautiful and so hard. For a false step can mean death or madness, or futility or the destruction of years of hard-won attainment. What I want to tell you is that all of these words I speak, out of love and inspiration and whatever knowledge God has graced me with, are for the sake of the person who needs words in order to understand. As for the person who understands, obviously he or she doesn't need words at all. In fact, to the one who really understands, the heavens and the earth themselves are ‘words’; after all, they came into being through ‘words’—the Divine Words "Be! And it is." If someone can hear a subtle whisper, is there any need to shout and scream? Make everything in you an ear, each atom of your being, and you will hear at every moment what the Source is whispering to you, just to you and for you, without any need for my words or anyone else's. You are—we all are—the beloved of the Beloved, and in every moment, in every event of your life, the Beloved is whispering to you exactly what you need to hear and know. Who can ever explain this miracle? It simply is. Listen and you will discover it every passing moment. Listen and your whole life will become a conversation in thought and act between you and Him, directly, wordlessly, now and always. It was to enjoy this conversation that you and I were created.


~Jalal al-Din Rumi

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Good thing and well said.

Whatever thing good is said, whatever good intention is aimed, whatever good word is used, when a hearer or listener or reader or follower is unable to understand or misunderstand it, then that good will go in vain or bring up an anti-effect.

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Why focus on the negative, superior mind-fudge?
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And . . . so . . . ?
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Mar.04.2009
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Woodsman: Why focus on the negative, superior mind-fudge?
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You asked: "Why"?

Those who are able to understand what is said correctly may cause no problem or trouble for themselves and others.  Any need to talk about them?

Those who are unable to understand or misunderstand what is said may cause problem or trouble for themselves and others.  This is why more attention is needed when talking to them.

You sounded like you are one of those who are in the first group.

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Mar.04.2009
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Woodsman: Why focus on the negative, superior mind-fudge?
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You asked: "Why"?

Those who are able to understand what is said correctly may cause no problem or trouble for themselves and others.  Any need to talk about them?

Those who are unable to understand or misunderstand what is said may cause problem or trouble for themselves and others.  This is why more attention is needed when talking to them.

You sounded like you are one of those who are in the first group.

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I'll be in another, some way.
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Woodsman: Why focus on the negative, superior mind-fudge?
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You asked: "Why"?

Those who are able to understand what is said correctly may cause no problem or trouble for themselves and others.  Any need to talk about them?

Those who are unable to understand or misunderstand what is said may cause problem or trouble for themselves and others.  This is why more attention is needed when talking to them.

You sounded like you are one of those who are in the first group.

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I'll be in another, some way.
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I'll be in another, some way.
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Can you make yourself more clear?

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Mar.04.2009
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Woodsman: Why focus on the negative, superior mind-fudge?
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You asked: "Why"?

Those who are able to understand what is said correctly may cause no problem or trouble for themselves and others.  Any need to talk about them?

Those who are unable to understand or misunderstand what is said may cause problem or trouble for themselves and others.  This is why more attention is needed when talking to them.

You sounded like you are one of those who are in the first group.

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I'll be in another, some way.
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I'll be in another, some way.
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Can you make yourself more clear?

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All groups fade away in time, as all memory does.
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Mar.04.2009
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Woodsman: Why focus on the negative, superior mind-fudge?
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You asked: "Why"?

Those who are able to understand what is said correctly may cause no problem or trouble for themselves and others.  Any need to talk about them?

Those who are unable to understand or misunderstand what is said may cause problem or trouble for themselves and others.  This is why more attention is needed when talking to them.

You sounded like you are one of those who are in the first group.

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I'll be in another, some way.
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I'll be in another, some way.
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Can you make yourself more clear?

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All groups fade away in time, as all memory does.
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All groups fade away in time, as all memory does.
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You're still there.

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Woodsman: Why focus on the negative, superior mind-fudge?
"
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You asked: "Why"?

Those who are able to understand what is said correctly may cause no problem or trouble for themselves and others.  Any need to talk about them?

Those who are unable to understand or misunderstand what is said may cause problem or trouble for themselves and others.  This is why more attention is needed when talking to them.

You sounded like you are one of those who are in the first group.

"
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I'll be in another, some way.
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I'll be in another, some way.
"
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Can you make yourself more clear?

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All groups fade away in time, as all memory does.
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All groups fade away in time, as all memory does.
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You're still there.

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Nope, I won't look back.
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Mar.04.2009
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Quote:

Woodsman: Why focus on the negative, superior mind-fudge?
"
.........

You asked: "Why"?

Those who are able to understand what is said correctly may cause no problem or trouble for themselves and others.  Any need to talk about them?

Those who are unable to understand or misunderstand what is said may cause problem or trouble for themselves and others.  This is why more attention is needed when talking to them.

You sounded like you are one of those who are in the first group.

"
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I'll be in another, some way.
"
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I'll be in another, some way.
"
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Can you make yourself more clear?

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All groups fade away in time, as all memory does.
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All groups fade away in time, as all memory does.
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You're still there.

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Nope, I won't look back.
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Nope, I won't look back.
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You don't need to look back, because you're there.

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Reply from Woodsman
Mar.04.2009
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Woodsman: Why focus on the negative, superior mind-fudge?
"
.........

You asked: "Why"?

Those who are able to understand what is said correctly may cause no problem or trouble for themselves and others.  Any need to talk about them?

Those who are unable to understand or misunderstand what is said may cause problem or trouble for themselves and others.  This is why more attention is needed when talking to them.

You sounded like you are one of those who are in the first group.

"
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I'll be in another, some way.
"
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I'll be in another, some way.
"
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Can you make yourself more clear?

"
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All groups fade away in time, as all memory does.
"
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All groups fade away in time, as all memory does.
"
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You're still there.

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Nope, I won't look back.
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Nope, I won't look back.
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You don't need to look back, because you're there.

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Here is there as there is here, once dropped before as after where?
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Mar.04.2009
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Reply from chontri
Mar.04.2009
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Woodsman: Why focus on the negative, superior mind-fudge?
"
.........

You asked: "Why"?

Those who are able to understand what is said correctly may cause no problem or trouble for themselves and others.  Any need to talk about them?

Those who are unable to understand or misunderstand what is said may cause problem or trouble for themselves and others.  This is why more attention is needed when talking to them.

You sounded like you are one of those who are in the first group.

"
.........

I'll be in another, some way.
"
.........


I'll be in another, some way.
"
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Can you make yourself more clear?

"
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All groups fade away in time, as all memory does.
"
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.........

All groups fade away in time, as all memory does.
"
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You're still there.

"
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Nope, I won't look back.
"
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Nope, I won't look back.
"
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Nope, I won't look back.
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You don't need to look back, because you're there.

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Here is there as there is here, once dropped before as after where?
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Here is there as there is here, once dropped before as after where?
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If already known here is there as there is here, why still asking?

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Mar.04.2009
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Quote: "See? If he can't get poetic the conversation ends about here. "
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Oh! Poor poet!  Why you end your poem so soon?

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Mar.04.2009
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Quote:

Woodsman: Why focus on the negative, superior mind-fudge?
"
.........

You asked: "Why"?

Those who are able to understand what is said correctly may cause no problem or trouble for themselves and others.  Any need to talk about them?

Those who are unable to understand or misunderstand what is said may cause problem or trouble for themselves and others.  This is why more attention is needed when talking to them.

You sounded like you are one of those who are in the first group.

"
.........

I'll be in another, some way.
"
.........


I'll be in another, some way.
"
.........

Can you make yourself more clear?

"
.........

All groups fade away in time, as all memory does.
"
.........


.........

All groups fade away in time, as all memory does.
"
.........

You're still there.

"
.........

Nope, I won't look back.
"
.........

Nope, I won't look back.
"
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"
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Nope, I won't look back.
"
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You don't need to look back, because you're there.

"
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Here is there as there is here, once dropped before as after where?
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Here is there as there is here, once dropped before as after where?
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If already known here is there as there is here, why still asking?

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I'm stupid.
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Mar.04.2009
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Quote: "See? If he can't get poetic the conversation ends about here. "
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Oh! Poor poet!  Why you end your poem so soon?

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I'm stupid. Oh yeah...
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Mar.04.2009
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Quote: "See? If he can't get poetic the conversation ends about here. "
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Oh! Poor poet!  Why you end your poem so soon?

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I'm stupid. Oh yeah...
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I'm stupid. Oh yeah...
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Just make a poem.

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Reply from immortal 1
Mar.05.2009
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Now I understand the reference to The Beloved, and this passage makes good sense to me afterall.

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Reply from immortal 1
Mar.06.2009
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 As for the person who understands,

obviously he or she doesn't need words at all. In fact, to the one who really understands, the heavens and the earth themselves are ‘words’;

after all, they came into being through ‘words’—the Divine Words

"Be! And it is."

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Reply from chontri
Mar.06.2009
06:41AM EDT 
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vertical line The heaven and the earth can take care of themslves, but a lot of people can't take care of themselves.
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