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vertical line Posted on Mar.02.2012 @ 10:51PM EDT by aStudent
I've reached a breakthrough of sorts in my practice, and I finally am sure that Zen is the true way, or at least one true way. I want to mark my body with a symbol representing this realization. Does anyone have some suggestions for a fitting tattoo? Any advice is greatly appreciated. Be well, friends.
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Reply from Anatta
Mar.03.2012
03:27AM EDT 
vertical line You want to mark your body with a symbol? For what? Why don't you buy some paint and go mark a rock or something? It's just as good, lasts longer (relatively speaking), and if you mess up there are always more rocks.
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Reply from shayne
Mar.03.2012
05:24AM EDT 
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vertical line twin dragons on the inside of your arms. haha. oh nm thats what im getting someday.

hmmm.....a symbol of yin and yang.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Mar.03.2012
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Reply from RossaDassa
Mar.03.2012
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vertical line get an enso
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Reply from Joe Chip
Mar.03.2012
09:03AM EDT 
vertical line Kerching!
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Reply from justin
Mar.03.2012
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vertical line Quote: "You want to mark your body with a symbol? For what? Why don't you buy some paint and go mark a rock or something? It's just as good, lasts longer (relatively speaking), and if you mess up there are always more rocks. "
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lol :)
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Reply from Joe Chip
Mar.03.2012
10:50AM EDT 
vertical line Get a mother.
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Reply from aStudent
Mar.03.2012
09:34PM EDT 
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vertical line I gather that most of you have never gotten a tattoo, so I guess you wouldn't really understand. It's about making a permanent, visible change to yourself, usually to signify some change or emotion. People from all religions do it, and Buddhist sects in particular have an affinity for the practice. Their traditional methods of inking the skin are fairly well know among body artists.

Thank you, to whoever recommended the Enso. I love the imagery, and that's probably what I'll go with. Have a pleasant evening everyone.
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Reply from zadokk
Mar.03.2012
09:46PM EDT 
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vertical line What if you change again, and your tattoo becomes irrelevant to your new change? You'll be stuck with a memory of a previous phase. I feel like a tattoo limits one's growth potential..that's just me though. :)
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Reply from nibble
Mar.03.2012
10:44PM EDT 
vertical line Naaahh, go for something that has an impact, not some wossy Calvin’n Hobbs  tattoo. Like, the something gangsta snake-like running up the neck, that is kinda cool. But it would be little "zenny" thou since trying to impress a badass ego on the world. And the ying/yang symbol, naaah, like, hey, look at me, I`m a hippie-buddhist-someone or something.

You need this tattoo to make a statement!

“Like, see, I don`t give a damn, I`m free. I have no attachments to any silly mental barriers, symbolism, or how I look. Nor do I hold any regard for political correctness and society’s hypocritical hysteria.”

That is what you`re tattoo oughta convey!

I say, maybe go for this swastika on you`re forehead, preferably carved with a knife! Or maybe a maoistik warrior tattoo covering half your face, that be awesome! Or maybe just covering you`re face and body with some tasteless but very hardcore and explicit imagery!  

The possibilities are limitless, just don`t go for some boring small ying yang on your shoulder, ok?!

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Reply from aStudent
Mar.04.2012
03:19AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Naaahh, go for something that has an impact, not some wossy Calvin’n Hobbs  tattoo. Like, the something gangsta snake-like running up the neck, that is kinda cool. But it would be little "zenny" thou since trying to impress a badass ego on the world. And the ying/yang symbol, naaah, like, hey, look at me, I`m a hippie-buddhist-someone or something.

You need this tattoo to make a statement!

“Like, see, I don`t give a damn, I`m free. I have no attachments to any silly mental barriers, symbolism, or how I look. Nor do I hold any regard for political correctness and society’s hypocritical hysteria.”

That is what you`re tattoo oughta convey!

I say, maybe go for this swastika on you`re forehead, preferably carved with a knife! Or maybe a maoistik warrior tattoo covering half your face, that be awesome! Or maybe just covering you`re face and body with some tasteless but very hardcore and explicit imagery!  

The possibilities are limitless, just don`t go for some boring small ying yang on your shoulder, ok?!



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Right, I guess I've come to the wrong place. My mistake. I'm sorry my post caused a disruption, I'll be leaving now. Best wishes to all of you.
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Reply from JTollefson
Mar.04.2012
03:49AM EDT 
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vertical line A tattoo represents an opposite understanding of zen. You want to mark yourself "permanently" but there is no such thing as something being permanent. If you tattoo yourself, and then your understanding grows, you will forever have a different view of your tattoo.

It is just like declaring you are a peaceful person, and then beating up the first person who doesn't agree with you. ;)
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Reply from shayne
Mar.04.2012
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vertical line haha he thinks your nuts nibbler. haha.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Mar.04.2012
06:37AM EDT 
vertical line Brain tats
And body toots
Heart rites
And altar fruits
Burial sites
And write wights
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Reply from Joe Chip
Mar.04.2012
06:56AM EDT 
vertical line You're a living sign.
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Reply from starduster
Mar.04.2012
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Quote: "I gather that most of you have never gotten a tattoo, so I guess you wouldn't really understand. It's about making a permanent, visible change to yourself, usually to signify some change or emotion. People from all religions do it, and Buddhist sects in particular have an affinity for the practice. Their traditional methods of inking the skin are fairly well know among body artists.

Thank you, to whoever recommended the Enso. I love the imagery, and that's probably what I'll go with. Have a pleasant evening everyone.
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I got a tatoo in 1972, and I've wanted rid of it since 1973. 

Temporary tatoos are okay.  They look just as good, and they wash off.

Remember, only change is permanent. 

I dont know about religions, but tatoos dont seem to go with Zen philosophy.

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Reply from Joe Chip
Mar.04.2012
07:32AM EDT 
vertical line Permanent tattoos are ok.
Permanent tattoos are temporary.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Mar.04.2012
08:22AM EDT 
vertical line EE-I-EE-I-Adios and a long farewell to thee.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Mar.04.2012
08:32AM EDT 
vertical line sun beat rhythm
tattoo you
lub dub
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Reply from Joe Chip
Mar.04.2012
08:38AM EDT 
vertical line Pow Wow - a zen tattoo.
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Reply from frozenaomi
Mar.04.2012
08:25PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Naaahh, go for something that has an impact, not some wossy Calvin’n Hobbs  tattoo. Like, the something gangsta snake-like running up the neck, that is kinda cool. But it would be little "zenny" thou since trying to impress a badass ego on the world. And the ying/yang symbol, naaah, like, hey, look at me, I`m a hippie-buddhist-someone or something.

You need this tattoo to make a statement!

“Like, see, I don`t give a damn, I`m free. I have no attachments to any silly mental barriers, symbolism, or how I look. Nor do I hold any regard for political correctness and society’s hypocritical hysteria.”

That is what you`re tattoo oughta convey!

I say, maybe go for this swastika on you`re forehead, preferably carved with a knife! Or maybe a maoistik warrior tattoo covering half your face, that be awesome! Or maybe just covering you`re face and body with some tasteless but very hardcore and explicit imagery!  

The possibilities are limitless, just don`t go for some boring small ying yang on your shoulder, ok?!



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Right, I guess I've come to the wrong place. My mistake. I'm sorry my post caused a disruption, I'll be leaving now. Best wishes to all of you.
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If you come back around I wouldn't worry about the Dissention (i swear that's spelled correctly )overmuch. Most here seem easy going enough. And I doubt any actually care whether or not you choose to embed ink your skin.

I liked your tattoo Joe. It made me laugh. That's where my mind went when a read "a zen tattoo" as the topic heading too.
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Reply from Avisitor
Jun.13.2012
11:57AM EDT 
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vertical line A student comes here for support and finds none to his liking.
Avisitor comes here to learn and finds the zoo is full already.
What a lovely place to visit??
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Reply from frozenaomi
Jun.13.2012
01:32PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "A student comes here for support and finds none to his liking.
Avisitor comes here to learn and finds the zoo is full already.
What a lovely place to visit??
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**sigh** 

A forum can have two purposes.  A forum can be a meeting place for like minded people who reiterate what they all want to hear.  This is very comforting.  The phenomenon is called "confirmation bias".  You look for what you want to here, and when you find it you keep listening because it is what you want to hear. 

Else a forum can be a meeting place for people with differing mindsets who argue amongst themselves.  Indeed this is closer to the original meaning of the word when it was a space for political argumentation.  I find the latter more interesting, there is more to learn when talking with people who disagree with you on fundamental levels.  I do not believe any of us in here agree on everything, and many of us disagree on really basic levels.  The sorts of levels that have caused wars in history.  But disareeing isn't bad.  Not only do you learn from those who disagree with you, if you are willing to be receptive, but also you learn how to shore up your own ideas.  You find your assumptions and biases and work through them because they are the weakpoints in your own argument that others pick apart. 

Its like peer editing in school.  Yes, what you think and produced is picked apart, and that is hard to watch, but the goal is to create something better.   Starduster, Shayne, and Woodsman have all responded to you and your questions.  They all are trying to help you learn.  We might not agree with you, but were not your enemies.  We are trying to help you. 

There is not a single set of answers.  I'm not sure there IS an answer.  But I am quite confident it cannot be boiled down to a single formula.  Life, reality, is subjective and subject to change so any law must contain its own exception.  If you want any advice from me, if anyone ever comes up to you and says "here is the answer" run far away for the way can never be found upon that path. 
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Reply from Avisitor
Jun.13.2012
02:14PM EDT 
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vertical line To be beaten or scolded by a Zen master is to be honored by their teachings
I am happy here ... maybe a little bruise by your words ...
But, still here
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Reply from starduster
Jun.14.2012
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Quote: "I gather that most of you have never gotten a tattoo, so I guess you wouldn't really understand. It's about making a permanent, visible change to yourself, usually to signify some change or emotion. People from all religions do it, and Buddhist sects in particular have an affinity for the practice. Their traditional methods of inking the skin are fairly well know among body artists.

Thank you, to whoever recommended the Enso. I love the imagery, and that's probably what I'll go with. Have a pleasant evening everyone.
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I got a tatoo when I joined the Navy in 1972.  Ive wanted to get it removed since 1973.

The novelty wore off a long time ago.  The tatoo is still around.

Its on my right upper arm, a *smiling sun*.  I remember thinking, at 18 when I got it, *at least this way, no matter what happens in my life, I will always be wearing a smile*.

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