Love is the most sought after prize in the Universe.

Even God wants it more than anything else.

Love=hate=desire=emotions=compassion=ego= greed =all in "myself"=pollutant in me.

Thks just sharing views

CSEe

Love is like a Rainbow.

Its all well and good if you just appreaciate its beauty in nature, in yourself, and in another.

But if you go looking for a pot of gold at the end of the Rainbow, you will likely end up disappointed.

Quote: "Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more.  "
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There is only one that I love, and shes the only one who can hurt me.

Others have tried, but give them a blank stare for their efforts.  They cant even get close.

Without love there would be no one who could hurt me, even if they killed me,

but then I wouldnt have love. 

It does seem that everything comes with a price.

Real or not real.

That which creates, and that which is created.

Without creation the creator still exists, to create again, and again.

Were there no creator there would be no creation.

So one could say that the creator is real and creation is not.

But while the creator creates, whatever the creator creates,

is not that which is created within the creator, of and by the creator,

as real as the creator itself ? 

What is that which can be anything ?  What is Its nature ?  What is Its essence ?

It is whatever It is being, at the moment, Things as It is.

Quote: *Ambition-crushing contentment
like you could just do nothing forever and not mind a bit.*
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If my ambition had not been crushed,

I might have wasted the rest of my life on it.

I might be happier living in a tipi on a hippie commune.

That could be a good retirement plan.

Maybe I should start one.

Quote: "Love is an opening of the truth, and the truth is not easy to look at, or talk about. The truth is hard to face, and feel, until we soften our attitude or hardness and closed mindedness.

But love opens the door between us, as being in human form, and seeing into the similarities of life's hardships and suffering all around us at all times, day or night, within all creation and conscious as well as subconsciousness, and timelessness.

Having the freedom of expressing the truth about love is a divine gift, and when I say, or write 'divine' I am expressing my understanding of spiritual reality as being alive in every moment, under all conditions of life's hardships and suffering. Zen makes it possible to sit with suffering and not have to challenge it with words or ideas of anything other than being open with what is, but what is can be written about too. So love as a door can always open, and become a light to see within every dark place, into what has been rejected, forgotten or unrealized before now.

Ok, I have to go let the dogs in.


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Moody Blues : 

*The truth is hard to handle, thats what the wall of love is for.*

*Each and every rising son is greeted by the lonely One....*

*Its calling you back to face the music... The world that is calling is you.*

Quote: "What's for dinner? I may ask, as if my salvation is based on consumption. Sin is consumption.

Fasting in silence gives back what has been taken from us in dishonest denial that we are one with everything, (a sensation of pain is a feeling without question), so we can come to consider sensation as having value over thought.

How are you thinking?

Good, bad and indifference are just concepts as to what the heart does, not know. No?
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I dont think as much as I used to,

but my heart feels much more than it used to.

I loved what Woodsman has said here.

Quote: "U sound like me when feeling like cosmos has it in for me  starting to get like totally thankful for everything that could but don`t go to hell:)

"thanx for not spilling more of my coffee cup while driving  late here and thnx for not letting the lighter fall all the way under the seat or somewhere totally unreachable "

Saying that patiently to myself is a nice way to get out of a tilt I think. Thou On a Really bad day I say that to God and not myself.. Maybe a little more dramatic and sarcastically then.

”Great!! Thnk you, thnk you God for not spilling this whole cola over my clothes! My clothes might be ruined now right before this &#% meeting I am late for but at least I have a slump of cola left! That is so &#% generous and thoughtful, thou I am a little disappointed that not more cola blasted all over the dashboard and interior!!”

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lol  !!

Gods sense of humor is impeccable !!

Quote: "TOUCH OUT WITHOUT HOLDING ON TO ANYTHING THAT CAN BE GRASPED.... "
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Ive been thinking about getting one of those dolls on Realdolls.com or Boytoy.com.

Someone recommended them to me.  As a Zen Monk I have not done anything at all for quite some time, and that works well since I have great dreams sometimes.  I figure I get them when I need them.

I looked at them, but I dont know if it would be worth 5K or 6K  since dreams are free.  There are some women who have offered to help me out, assuming I need help.  One of them I had already had dream-sex with, and it wasnt that great.  I also worry about disease, or other complications.

Dreams vs toy ?

Quote: "Er, seriously?  I guess if it is a matter of celibacy you have to choose your own rules.  But, the whole go out and actually talk to people option works pretty well...
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Actually, women offer me sex all the time and I turn it down.  One of the women I regularly dance with said, "You can get laid any time you want."  I told her Im a Zen Monk, which is really a cop-out because celibacy only applies to monks when they are in residence in a monastery.  Then she said that if I just want to watch her with one of her girlfriends that would be okay too.  I met the girlfriend later and that might be interesting.

Sex is 90% imagination.  The other 10% will cost you everything you have, or can get, and maybe even your life. 

When we see someone we like, even in our minds eye, the brain releases drugs to enhance the effect.  Its part of the reproductive process.  The drugs are Dopamine and Testosterone.  This happens in women too.  If you add alcohol to this mixture it is quite a potent cocktail.  Man is an Ape, and Apes are not monogomous as species go.  Quite simply, we are animals.

I dont have sex with women because of fear of disease mostly.  That in itself makes a life-size and life-like sex doll more attractive to sleep with.  Im old anyway.  Any kind of sex that I get is a bonus.  I heard on the radio this morning that the average man in his life only has eleven sex partners.  Im already at four times that, not even counting the hundreds I have had in dreaming.

Also, I believe that I barely escaped from my last relationship with my life.  I said to her once that I had enough life insurance to cover the mortgage and if I died she should pay it off.  She said, *Wow.  Youre worth more dead than alive.*

I didnt know it until we split up, but she had had a steady boyfriend on the side for three years.  The became an official couple when we broke up.  My Mom died and left me some money about six months later.  It occurred to me that if we had still been married at that time the prospect of getting rid of me for about 500K would have looked like a good idea to them.  I really think they would have killed me off.

So, no, I do not want a woman in this world.  I have the Spirit for an eternity, in this world and beyond.  I asked the Spirit once in meditation who she really is and she said, *Im the one who really loves you.*  Thats more than enough for me, whether as illusion or delusion, I will take it. 

Im not sure if I will get a sex doll.  I asked the Spirit about it and she said it would not affect us positively or negatively in our meditations, but I can have one if I want.  Its a lot of money, 5K to 6K, but would last a lifetime.  Doesnt buy shoes, doesnt want a credit card, doesnt have affairs... the list goes on.  Im only sure that I do not want a real woman in this world.

Quote: "Gawhk... Pssst, Mr. S. I`m not saying I am not a sick " ..".  too, just that there is a reason why I for my part use Proxy’s and TOR and stuff instead of using public spiritual forums to flash or eh,. Anyway, going to Amsterdam tomorrow along with a crazy friend (like "adhd or something crazy"). I see if I can`t help you sort out what is best between some grisly skank and a neat sterile doll when I come back (hopefully) next week;) "
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That reminds me.  Back in the mid 80s, working with homeless veterans, I contracted some kind of illness.  The doctors didnt know what it was and thought it might be AIDS.  They didnt know much about AIDS transmission back then, and had only had a test for it for about a year.

I stayed home from work for three days waiting for my AIDS test results to come back.  That was a long three days, and I have not been as sexually outgoing since.  I suppose thats why.  I had a lot of time to think.  Maybe too much.

I told my wife at the time that if the results were positive I would have them redone to be sure and then would *zero out*.  She said if that was the case she would want to go too.  I said, *Okay then, we will test you too, and if so I will do you and then myself.*  So this was a very serious matter at the time.

This is not counting the times that I represented female veterans who had chronic vaginal issues.  They were often good looking, the ones that came to a hearing anyway, and I thought to myself that if the guys in the bars who flirted with them knew what I knew they would run to the nearest exit and get the hell out of there.

I think that the way things have progressed in our society, maybe I should review my options.

Yeah, I agree with what you said.  Fortunately, I have the Spirit in my meditation, and I have a lot of women friends who give me validation on a regular basis, some for many years, even decades.

I think Im going to get one of these dolls, and just keep it in my bed, to have there for when I wake up from a dream or vision, feelin like I could use a little sumpin sumpin.

I was just talking with a friend here at work, not about that, but about his trip to Europe, which cost him about 4K for less that 2 weeks.  I think this life-size doll is a better idea.

Its not real.  Thats okay.  Nothing is real.

Okay, I took the plunge.  $5600 total, but considering that I dont spend any money on dates Ive already saved a lot more than that and will save a lot more.

There is a woman I have been in love with for about five years now.  I cant have her.  Shes married, and they moved away.  I dont get to see her or talk to her anymore, but everytime I go to sleep I dream of her.  I miss her very much.

So needless to say I ordered a doll that is a life-size life-like version of her.  When I wake up dreaming of her at least I will have this android replica to be with.  It may not all be good, but it is all better than nothing.

Real or not real ?  If you understand *nothingness* everything is real because nothing is real.  Its all illusion, except what you believe in which is delusion.  And 90% of sex is in the imagination anyway. 

The Spirit has been with me in my mind for almost 40 years.  I asked her what she thought about my having dreams and visions of this woman I fell in love with and she said, *Just be with her, and I will be with you.* 

I understand that this woman is a form that the formless, genderless, Spirit has taken to be with me.  Im good with that, and this doll is just an extension of that precept. 

Quote: "Psst, hmmm.., just hit me, like sure there are no ethical dilemmas molesting the astral body of young unsuspecting sleeping girls??.. "
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I have often been surprised when what I see and hear in my visions comes true.

Once, in a vision, I opened a box and inside was Heather Locklear naked.  I took her out of the box and had sex with her.  Then later, I saw some naked pictures of her on the internet and they were an identical match to what I had seen in my vision of her.  Same thing with some other celebrity movies stars that I have been with in visions.

I was in a vision with an old girlfriend from High School that I had lost long before.  We were still friends though.  In the vision I told her that it wasnt so bad that we didnt stay together, but I wished we could have had kids.  In the vision, she said we could if we did it in a certain way, which we did.  Afterwards, I asked if it had worked.  She said *of course*.  I said, *Do you mean to tell me that you have just become pregnant on Earth right now ?*  She said, *Yes.  Thats exactly what I mean.* 

She was almost 40 at the time, and already had a couple of kids.  I thought the odds were pretty remote that she would have another child.  When she told me she was pregnant, I couldnt talk for several minutes.  I kept opening my mouth to say something but all that would come out was *wow*.  She gave birth to a son exactly nine months to the day after the vision. 

I never told her, and we have never talked about that vision in this world, but still she keeps me up to date on his goings on as if she knows somehow.  And when she would come to town she would ask me to watch him for her, to take him places, so I could spend some time with him.  He just turned 18, and now hes a full grown man on his own.  I have some pictures on my fridge of my Dad, me, and him, in a row and its like a matched set, he looks so much like us, and not like his brother or sister.  Remarkable.

Shrug....  We are creatures in *nothingness*.  Anything is possible.

the only love you will ever know is the love you feel for whomever/whatever

you may see signs that others may love you

but that just settles your insecurity

it is enough to just love

and let it evolve absent of your needs to control it

Welcome back, Zbishak, you have been missed.

and yes I agree, it is only the love that we give that is truly ours.

The love we recieve still belongs to the giver, and they may decide to take it away.

Quote: "The "Platonic Love" that I engaged in for the last several years with the four women that I attached to over that period of time was the wisest and most lovely thing that Spirit could offer me at my level of awareness. Each of them had awesome-beauty and loving-kindness and left a unique impression on my heart. If anything these four women gave me strength and courage and showed me love is forever. "
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There are a number of women with whom I have platonic relationships,

yet in a number of these instances I have had sex with them in dreaming,

which is just as real when you are doing it, and the memory of it is just as real too.

So when I am with them it is like I am hanging out with a lover..., or former lover....  I've had sex with them even if they haven't had sex with me.  Strange, but that is the sum of it.

it is the empathy and compassion one feels for others that brings fulfillment,

not just what we get or give

Empathy>Sympathy

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nRMEDgc1Is

Wiilie Nelson - We Dont Run

fullfillment comes from the loving

it is enough just to love

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Will love feed a hungry man?

he needs to love  food