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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: MENTAL STATE
vertical line Posted on Mar.10.2012 @ 10:15AM EDT by clangor

(1) Mental-state.

(2) After mental-state.

(3) ... After mental-state.

1 2 3 - Progress of mental state.

- That's me On the Dangers of Some Eastern Enlightenment.

See?

It's like I'm trying to say that we're just brains containing a progression of "mental-states".

^^ That was a mental state.

- happy day


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Reply from clangor
Mar.10.2012
11:41AM EDT 
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We're empty.

We're 0.

We're not even <"0">.

Have a day.

- cheers

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Reply from Hollow
Mar.10.2012
12:15PM EDT 
vertical line If everyone is 0, who is the one saying it?
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Reply from clangor
Mar.10.2012
02:55PM EDT 
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Who should he be?

Or... what thing should it be that he is?

He is not 'a thing' so there is none.

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Reply from clangor
Mar.10.2012
02:59PM EDT 
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And: that's all.

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Reply from Hollow
Mar.10.2012
03:03PM EDT 
vertical line Find the answer without creating anything.
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Reply from starduster
Mar.11.2012
08:09AM EDT 
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When nothing else can be removed,

some say that is It.

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Reply from so_teh
Mar.12.2012
02:07PM EDT 
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vertical line The [quality] changed before the [subject] was learnt. Because of the scale, the Universal sets the foundation (experience) in total knowingness and an open door for experimentation appears. Look on, here and now. Touch in, the love.
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Reply from nibble
Mar.12.2012
03:10PM EDT 
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(?Are we like talking about those kinda created "mental images" and the fluctuating feelings associated that often go from hero to zero even by external force majored factors like: fill in Y`er poison, arrrh)

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Reply from nibble
Mar.12.2012
03:18PM EDT 
vertical line (Sorry, should have been "fill in the blanks" after "like:" but decided to knock it up a pinch for the pure enjoyment of any zen pirates reading (and it was not meant as a response to any specific post):)
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Reply from so_teh
Mar.13.2012
05:26PM EDT 
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vertical line Basically what I can say is I went from literate to meditative overnight about 7 years ago.
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Reply from frozenaomi
Mar.14.2012
12:03AM EDT 
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vertical line A zen pirate? Hmm. If the pirate can whistle like the parrot and the parrot talk like the pirate then could the crew above decks tell them apart. Would the parrot and the pirate collapse into the pirate parrot, only one entity. Would duality only be reasserted when actually traveling to the sphere of the pirate's cabin?

Perhaps it is so with us. Perhaps we are stuck too close to the realm of the mind, using senses and reason to imply differences when really from scale both act in effective concert as a true singularity.
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Reply from so_teh
Jul.06.2012
10:46PM EDT 
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vertical line I'm now reading the Shobo Genzo (The Treasury of the True Dharma Eye). My basic question is "What is my purpose for meditation?"
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Reply from boymonk
Jul.07.2012
09:16PM EDT 
vertical line Mental states? I don't know, am from the united states.
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Reply from starduster
Jul.08.2012
05:05AM EDT 
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Quote: "I&apos;m now reading the Shobo Genzo (The Treasury of the True Dharma Eye). My basic question is "What is my purpose for meditation?""
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Virtue is its own reward,

Just as the lack of it nets its own reward.

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Reply from leoj99
Jul.18.2012
03:29AM EDT 
vertical line Mental state is how your mind works. If you are a believer that is your mental state. If you are not a believer thats your mental state. Most mental states are the unversal consciousness, same kind of mind.
It is called group mentality.
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Reply from starduster
Jul.18.2012
03:36AM EDT 
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Quote: "Mental state is how your mind works. If you are a believer that is your mental state. If you are not a believer thats your mental state. Most mental states are the unversal consciousness, same kind of mind.
It is called group mentality.
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If you throw a bunch of rings down onto a table

some will overlap while others will be apart from the group.

The areas where rings overlap is called intersection,

and those that do not intersect with the other simply stand alone.

Its like that with a group of people also,

we share areas of intersection with some other people,

while standing apart from those with whom we share no intersection.

People go to church on Sunday and share *Christian intersection* together,

then they go about their otherwise separate lives.  Thats okay.

The only problem is in believing that all of the people who

do not share intersection with you are going to Hell.  Whats that about?

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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.18.2012
08:37AM EDT 
vertical line Not my cup of meat.
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Reply from leoj99
Jul.19.2012
01:42AM EDT 
vertical line Most people in group mentality always talk of the same things but most often they don't agree with each other. They almost always debate and fight about the same things they are talking about.
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Reply from Avisitor
Jul.19.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Most people in group mentality always talk of the same things but most often they don't agree with each other. They almost always debate and fight about the same things they are talking about. "
.........
Sports fans are much the same.
So, I don't like sports much.
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Reply from Chryseis
Jul.21.2012
02:37AM EDT 
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group mentality - aka, gorillas in the mist

mental state - a process of either trying to unlearn, or learn whilst comparing to what we do and don't know

mind - it's big

zen mind - it's small, so small that it only exists in a snort or a cough

mindfulness - the opposite of  what is suggests

awareness - taking a moment by moment look, and then looking again, for all moments

satori - to be advised against, for the regular fellow

irregular fellow - he who is against advice, yet presumably toes all lines, cloys to nothing though, and relishes in fungi and green tea

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Reply from so_teh
Jul.21.2012
06:39AM EDT 
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vertical line I finished the Shobogenzo yesterday. One of those reads that will possibly help me understand something else other than the actual text itself. How it expounded the Buddha Dharma was enlightening and it probably touched a subtler dimension of being as Zen wisdom tends to do. I'll let it resonate for a little while longer and see what I notice.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.21.2012
08:50AM EDT 
vertical line Maria's Dance

Machines
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Reply from Chryseis
Jul.21.2012
09:11AM EDT 
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In,  'Understanding the Shobogenzo' by Gudo Wafu Nishijima

'Do not think that what you have attained will inevitably enter your own consciousness and be recognized by your intellect.'

Gudo Wafu Nishijima

'Do not think that what you have attained will inevitably enter your own consciousness and be recognized by your intellect.'

'Do not think that what you have attained will inevitably enter your own consciousness and be recognized by your intellect.'
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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.21.2012
09:51AM EDT 
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vertical line close your eyes and open your mind
give one to all as all one kind

there, (o) white dot, soul's sun arises
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Reply from so_teh
Jul.22.2012
01:05PM EDT 
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vertical line No attainment necessarily.
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Reply from Chryseis
Jul.22.2012
08:38PM EDT 
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yes

per se

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Reply from Riverstone
Jul.22.2012
08:58PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "If everyone is 0, who is the one saying it?"
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Exactly!
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Reply from leoj99
Jul.22.2012
10:07PM EDT 
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In,  'Understanding the Shobogenzo' by Gudo Wafu Nishijima

'Do not think that what you have attained will inevitably enter your own consciousness and be recognized by your intellect.'

Gudo Wafu Nishijima

'Do not think that what you have attained will inevitably enter your own consciousness and be recognized by your intellect.'

'Do not think that what you have attained will inevitably enter your own consciousness and be recognized by your intellect.'
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The Intellect will never recognize what you attain spiritually.
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