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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: HEAVEN
vertical line Posted on Apr.11.2012 @ 11:14AM EDT by shayne
i thought this life was heaven for s long time.

changed my mind.

not saying its hell.

its just earth.


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Reply from frozenaomi
Apr.11.2012
11:42AM EDT 
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vertical line ^this

I thought this life was hell for a long time, and that I was damned.

But it is just Earth, and I am just a person. The labels we give define what we see. The labels are our own, and so are the definitions.

Things are what they are, and in themselves infinitely more interesting and complex than the limitations of the properties we assign to them.
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Reply from shayne
Apr.11.2012
11:50AM EDT 
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vertical line yeah pretty much.

i see the propheices of old in the bible as a person who foreseen these very natural phenomenon of the universe occuring.

they happened in their life time. gonna happen again in a cyclic pattern.

ive been very perplexed about this for days.

but its gone now.

not saying their isnt a god or anything. first mind and all i feel.

but the universe is one whole.

and its a big sucker.

haha.
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Reply from Woodsman
Apr.11.2012
09:30PM EDT 
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vertical line i experienced 2 miracles today, and know when they occur, they're unmistakable 
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Apr.11.2012
09:45PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "i experienced 2 miracles today, and know when they occur, they're unmistakable 

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oh yeah woodsy.....what were they bud?
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Reply from Woodsman
Apr.11.2012
09:57PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "i experienced 2 miracles today, and know when they occur, they're unmistakable 

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oh yeah woodsy.....what were they bud?
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One was a perfect round rock I stepped over while walking the three dogs on the road.

I'd been unable to find a perfectly round rock on the beach on the lake shore, but then, there it was, once I'd given up looking.

The other was a large horsefly perched perfectly in my wood cutting area.

For both, the thoughts came before the external validation.
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Reply from starduster
Apr.12.2012
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I thought this life was hell for a long time, and that I was damned.

But it is just Earth, and I am just a person. The labels we give define what we see. The labels are our own, and so are the definitions.

Things are what they are, and in themselves infinitely more interesting and complex than the limitations of the properties we assign to them.
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I too thought life was Hell for a long time.  I thought I even had proof, in that Jesus descended into Hell for three days, and it seemed that that is about the same amount of time that he came back to Earth after being resurrected.

Now, this is just a world, like so many other worlds, each a plane of existence unto itself, created by the Spirit in the Void, which is devoid of everything except that which the Spirit creates, limited only by the Spirits imagination.

Thats a pretty good description of what I have seen, in my visions, in the Void.

Ive often said that *The Truth is that there is no Truth*, but in truth we all have our own Truth, based on what we experience.

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Reply from shayne
Apr.12.2012
09:13AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "i experienced 2 miracles today, and know when they occur, they're unmistakable 

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oh yeah woodsy.....what were they bud?
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One was a perfect round rock I stepped over while walking the three dogs on the road.

I'd been unable to find a perfectly round rock on the beach on the lake shore, but then, there it was, once I'd given up looking.

The other was a large horsefly perched perfectly in my wood cutting area.

For both, the thoughts came before the external validation.
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so you thought of them and then found the items first?
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Reply from starduster
Apr.12.2012
10:32AM EDT 
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Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "i experienced 2 miracles today, and know when they occur, they're unmistakable 

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oh yeah woodsy.....what were they bud?
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One was a perfect round rock I stepped over while walking the three dogs on the road.

I'd been unable to find a perfectly round rock on the beach on the lake shore, but then, there it was, once I'd given up looking.

The other was a large horsefly perched perfectly in my wood cutting area.

For both, the thoughts came before the external validation.
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so you thought of them and then found the items first?
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Do you mean *the thoughts came before the external manifestation* ?

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Reply from Woodsman
Apr.12.2012
11:38AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "i experienced 2 miracles today, and know when they occur, they're unmistakable 

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oh yeah woodsy.....what were they bud?
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One was a perfect round rock I stepped over while walking the three dogs on the road.

I'd been unable to find a perfectly round rock on the beach on the lake shore, but then, there it was, once I'd given up looking.

The other was a large horsefly perched perfectly in my wood cutting area.

For both, the thoughts came before the external validation.
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so you thought of them and then found the items first?
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usually, but doesn't have to be directly  linked, but somehow there  is a door opened feeling where thoughts and objects unite to present a deeper meaning, it's in the little stuff that i play in. I've backed out of the big stress stuff.

Was drivin' home yesterday after a shopping run, thinking of my sister who is having a lot of stress in her life right now, glance down at the odometer in the van and it was 171717 , i'll never see or feel it that way again. It just feels like one is touching the veil of bliss, that's all.
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Reply from zenmanstan
Jul.23.2012
10:14PM EDT 
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vertical line heaven: causing lots of damage
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.24.2012
07:11AM EDT 
vertical line Oh yeah
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Reply from Avisitor
Jul.24.2012
02:23PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "^this

I thought this life was hell for a long time, and that I was damned.

But it is just Earth, and I am just a person. The labels we give define what we see. The labels are our own, and so are the definitions.

Things are what they are, and in themselves infinitely more interesting and complex than the limitations of the properties we assign to them.
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You are just way too smart for me.
Are you still in school??
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.24.2012
02:47PM EDT 
vertical line Hell yeah, soul making in the School of Love.
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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.24.2012
04:55PM EDT 
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vertical line Sitting is in love with the now, requiring no other satisfaction. 
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.24.2012
07:34PM EDT 
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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.24.2012
08:30PM EDT 
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vertical line No measurement to give or get as one equals every other one.

See
See?
Sea
Sea?
C
C?
U
U?
V
V?
2
2?
Who
Who?
Say
Say?
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Reply from zenmanstan
Jul.24.2012
08:49PM EDT 
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vertical line "lightning flashing
someone ascending
black evolutions
love you are hearing"

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Reply from so_teh
Jul.25.2012
06:15PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Sitting is in love with the now, requiring no other satisfaction. 

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My Master Plan For Sitting:

1st - I am what I am
2nd - To live is just to live
3rd - Things as they are
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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.25.2012
06:46PM EDT 
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vertical line Make eye contact
don't look away
no left or right
don't say
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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.25.2012
06:47PM EDT 
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Reply from boymonk
Jul.25.2012
06:59PM EDT 
vertical line Heaven is for dreamers.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.25.2012
07:46PM EDT 
vertical line Ego is but a dream.
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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.25.2012
08:14PM EDT 
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   Zzzzz.......       zzzz....


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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.25.2012
09:11PM EDT 
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Reply from so_teh
Jul.25.2012
10:39PM EDT 
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Where there's meditation, there's wandering.
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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.25.2012
11:30PM EDT 
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vertical line Whoah, I just woke up here, had fallen asleep and was posting in my sleep dream.

Ok, I'll go back to sleep to post again.

Just take a minute, or two...


56, 57, 58 .....   zzz... zzzzzz.....  there, I'm dreaming, what's the question?


zzz......???
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Reply from Avisitor
Jul.26.2012
07:43PM EDT 
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vertical line I had a dream where I knew I was dreaming
So, I tested the environment I was in and everything felt real
But, I knew it was a dream and the feeling was real
I woke up and wished to go back to sleep
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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.26.2012
09:02PM EDT 
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vertical line a dream lights a path through every darkness, as do words
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Reply from Avisitor
Jul.27.2012
02:50AM EDT 
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vertical line Hands palm to palm .. bows
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.27.2012
06:55AM EDT 
vertical line Toes ya nose.
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Reply from zenmanstan
Jul.31.2012
05:46PM EDT 
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vertical line cobblestone streets,
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Jul.31.2012
05:47PM EDT 
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vertical line a belief in heyzeus(jesus)
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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.01.2012
06:05AM EDT 
vertical line Emotion and intellect in balance. Don't knock it.
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Reply from starduster
Aug.01.2012
07:46AM EDT 
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Quote: "I had a dream where I knew I was dreaming
So, I tested the environment I was in and everything felt real
But, I knew it was a dream and the feeling was real
I woke up and wished to go back to sleep
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I had a dream where I knew I was dreaming and everything felt real,

then I woke up and I was telling someone all about it,

that I could tell no difference between the dreaming and waking environments,

and then I woke up and realized that I only dreamed I woke up before.

I was dreaming and knew I was dreaming,

then I dreamed I woke up and did not know I was still dreaming.

I consider dreams to be as much *real life* as the rest of it.

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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.01.2012
07:53AM EDT 
vertical line WAKE UP and realise your promordial nature. Uh, I've an eye test booked for tomorrow afternoon.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.01.2012
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Aug.02.2012
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Quote: "WAKE UP and realise your promordial nature. Uh, I've an eye test booked for tomorrow afternoon."
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Good luck.

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Aug.02.2012
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