you can have multiple kensho experiences.

satori is like one last main kensho experience.

kensho is glimpses into a enlightened frame of mind.

or partial turning about of ones mind.

glimpses.

like for example calling black people the n word and one day realizing we dont pick our bodies.

satori is like this but say also realizing all of it all at once.

much more in depth.

fro example a evil person to a decent one.

everyone has had some turning abou tof mind.

\usually dont last.

they revert back.

I'm not looking for any kind of long-term guindance as i don't think i need this; however i need *something*, i just don't know what.

Maybe there is someone who could help me?

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We can share our own experiences, but our path is our own, each unique to us as unique individuals from the Same One.

I had kensho a few times before becoming awakened.  I had been in the Void even before that, I just didnt know where I was.  Kensho is like that, an awakening that you dont see as an awakening because you dont really understand it yet. 

Its a warm-up.  Be glad of it.  It is a wonderful thing to experience.  Each time I experienced it, I was glad to see that the Universe is in good hands, and I went back to my normal senses and forgot about it.  It was like it was new each time because I had set it aside, for my ego to continue unharmed.

it is a glimse of It.  When you fully experience nothingness there will be no doubt left, because there will be nothing left to doubt.  Absolutely nothing, not even nothing.  And from that, anything imaginable.  Where do you go from nowhere?  Anywhere.

how was that helpful?

kensho is glimpses of enlightenment.

not full enlightenment in and of itself.

its not about void.

its about understanding.

Be patient and do not try to achieve awakening.  Just enjoy your own meditation for the sake of itself, and awakening will come in its own due time.

Whether this is true due to spontaneous events or intelligent design, the end result is the same.  Let it come in its own due time.  But I know what you mean.  In my own Transcendental Meditations, I would have a great experience and try to do it again to no avail.  Then when I let go I would have another great experience, until finally I stopped trying and they came sooner and sooner.  Now a days I get something just about every day.

Let it take time, maybe more kensho.  These are preparations.  It has been recorded in some cases that when people are not adequately prepared for awakening they do not survive it.  Some choose to die right away afterwards.  My father did that, so I have seen it happen.  Still, I was glad for him.

Quote: "The single moment of enlightenment is an eternity in any other mindstate. Is any other mindstate like EGO? Is it tasteless, odourless, weightless? And yet, once inside, there doesn’t appear to be any way out? Is it like a dark night? Is it like a thought?"
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It is you.

Everything is, from ego to egos damnation, all inclusive.

Psst !!  Its an inside job.

Quote: "No one to depend on "
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No one but ones Self.

Quote: "How did you know you have kensho. How do you know if you have kensho.
Did an authentic teacher confirmed the kensho?
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If you have to ask,

it was Kensho.

Awakening leaves no doubt,

because there is nothing left to doubt.

Absolutely nothing in existence

but your One Consciousness.

I said to the Spirit once, in meditation,

*I hope I dont let you down.*

The Spirit answered,

*I only wish that you could.*

Some are swimming,

while others have not a drop to drink.

I call It the Spirit.  It can come to you in any form.  To Moses a burning bush, to Abraham and Noah a voice from the sky.... 

Thats the way I understand It:  There is no one constant for The One.

there is no after satori

and no one to have it

so it could be worn as some sort of badge of achievement

In the same vein it could be said there is no before satori either.

*Oz never did give nothin to the Tin Man that he didnt already have*, (America)

Yet one does not become static, as if cast from a mold, after awakening.

You are still the person you were before, and still growing and changing,

along the way of your own path.  Maybe just no longer with any beginning or end in sight.

hello don,

the timeless state of ones  nature, has neither beginning nor end, how can there be an after?

many experience "kensho" during meditation, extra ordinary experiences, like the body growing so huge that its limits cannot be perceived and one may feel like a tiny entity floating in a unlimited void, some feel like they somersault out of their body and go to strange places, have heard many such stories, and that is just kensho induced by ones will/discipline whilst in meditation.

satori is the actual realization of ones nature, which can lead to full enlightenment,where one has realized ones true nature,

of what account their ego, who they once saw themselves as,what Merit has it gained,

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I think this is true. But the real thing is how you changed. On how you see things after kensho. On how you think. I think after kensho you are not thinking anymore.

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I think this is true. But the real thing is how you changed. On how you see things after kensho. On how you think. I think after kensho you are not thinking anymore.
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I remember being in the Void, as I call It, in the *moment before time*, as you call It.

I was me, but not the me I know as me, or anyone else I have ever met either.  I refer to that as satori or nirvana, awakening, from the dream we call reality.  But not really able to say that that is The Truth or Reality either.

That which is true is not necessarily The Truth; and that which is real is not necessarily Reality.  Such a claim to Universiality would intonate permanence, which may not be the case at all.

I think of that as who I really am, who we all really are, that One Consciousness knowing no other, without beginning or end....  Square One, one might say.  And I keep it in mind as I go about the course of being this being.  But even whilst that may be the core of Things as It is, it may just be the core of Things as It is right now, here and now.

In meditation today, the One that I know as the Spirit said to me, *I made us*. 

That is my understanding of It, as a universal consciousness, as a void in itself, It makes itself too.  And what is that which can be anything?  What is It really?  What is its nature?  What is its nature?  Nothing in particular. 

I think of my experiences in astral travel as my reality, not universal Reality.  Its what I share with the Spirit, which is how the One universal consciousness comes to me, personally.  I believe that is different for everyone.  I dont want to have just one constant reality to share with everyone in the universe. 

Let everyone have their own relationship with the One universal consciousness, as far as Im concerned, because Im not planning to share mine with everyone.

I believe that satori, nirvana, or awakening, whatever you want to call it,

is when one reaches the point where they give up the search for Truth,

and proceeds with the understanding that there isnt one. 

Its all true, and none of it is, All at the same time.

There is only what you experience, as your own experience.

'old men of zen'

it would take considerable discipline and effort to be free of such a deep habit ,so satori is just an early step upon the old path.

taming the bull is indeed a task.

it would take considerable discipline and effort to be free of such a deep habit ,so satori is just an early step upon the old path.

taming the bull is indeed a task.

Maybe sidestepping the Bull is easier.

Driving home one morning came to a point where traffic had stopped in both directions, leaving a gap in the road of about 100 yds.  Seems a Bull had gotten loose and was on the road.

I was #2 in line on my end, and I knew it would be a while before anyone showed up to round up the Bull, so I decided to try an old motorcycle trick used for pesky dogs.  That is to proceed slowly, and then just when they get to you accelerate and zoom past them.

So I did that.  I went around the car in front of me, slowly in my little Toyota truck, and when the Bull charged I floored it and zoomed away.  Actually it probably wouldnt have worked except the road was wet with morning dew and the Bull slipped when he turned and charged at me.  He missed me by one or two feet, hard to guage in the rear view mirror, but not much anyway. 

Exhilarating !!  I felt like going back and doing it again !!  Toro - Toro !!

To experience kensho again, predispose yourself to it.

Refine your tastes, recognise quality, determine what is best to use to do the best job, focus on the activity that will most likely lead to quality results rather than focusing on the desired outcome

if you can't do seated meditation, anything that provides a focus that totally consumes you, for the most part, is of a similar vein

Quote: "You don't need to achieve Kensho. Kensho is an experience. "
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It could be that the difference between kensho and satori

is whether or not you think you did it.

But my own recollections of kensho are that I was comforted to know

that the Universe is in good hands, and gratefully returned to normal.

I was in the void many times before I finally came to realize It.

If you know that the Universe is in good hands,

then you dont have anything to worry about.

If you know who you really are,

and where you really are,

at least in current terms of Things as It is,

that takes a lot of weight off of your shoulders,

at least abstractly.

Quote: "If you say that the universe is in good hands, in whose hands?

That is why I said just worry about yourself so you know who you really are and where you really are.

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Your own hands.

Thats the big secret isnt it ?

The Truth that everyone is seeking, that doesnt really change anything.

I am It and It is me, and It will be as It will be, with or without me.  So what ?

But since I came to realize that Ive been more interested in Its happiness than mine,

because Its happiness is my happiness, ultimately.

I can stop being me, but I cant stop being It.  No one can.

Its not all good, but it is all better than nothing.