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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: GOOD FORTUNE
vertical line Posted on Jun.02.2012 @ 07:42AM EDT by Dalai Lama
Our good fortune is dependent upon the cooperation and contributions of others. Every aspect of our present well-being is due to hard work on the part of others. As we look around us at the buildings we live and work in, the roads we travel, the clothes we wear, or the food we eat, we have to acknowledge that all are provided by others. None of them would exist for us to enjoy and make use of were it not for the kindness of so many people unknown to us.
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Reply from Woodsman
Jun.02.2012
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vertical line God I love the rain. Soon as I wake up more will go out and feed the rabbits. 2 more nights of work, then more gardening. Cut my finger from a drill bit the other day, no more bleeding, just sore, helped with a bandage, several... kept it clean and dry... here goes another one.. off, and on. 
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Reply from so_teh
Jun.03.2012
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vertical line Yes! It's been raining steady since Friday hasn't it. Just took a walk tonight in it. Lovely!
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Reply from starduster
Jun.03.2012
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I have a brand new roof, and the gutters are clean.

Let it rain.

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Reply from Woodsman
Jun.03.2012
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vertical line Just woke up. Ahhh, the sun. Been including memories of my father who passed away several years ago with the sun. And have a picture of my dad in my car now, so whenever I drive he (dad) is my silent partner.

Our father, who art in heaven, hallowed by thy name and  face. 
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Reply from starduster
Jun.04.2012
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My father died seven years ago, and Im still not over it.

He did his hospice with me, for cancer, and I did not suspect the impact it would have on me.

Hospice workers from the hospital did most of his caretaking.  What hit me was the *helplessness* I felt from not being able to do more for him, like cure him.

But thankfully he became awakened just before he died, and that put on a great finishing touch, for which I am grateful to the Spirit.

Still, I am only just now coming out of the depression that hit me after he died.  Turning my attention to getting the house fixed up, which has been neglected, and moving on in life.

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Reply from frozenaomi
Jun.04.2012
09:45AM EDT 
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vertical line **hugs** I'm so sorry to hear about your fathers Woodsman and Starduster. I like the idea of the picture to keep him close and I am glad you two reconnected at the end.
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Reply from Avisitor
Jun.04.2012
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vertical line My sister passed away from cancer a few years back.
Helplessness and feelings of despair weighted my shoulders.
Now looking back, the thoughts and memories are still there
But, the years have made the weight lighter to bear.

Since then, I have thought heavily about my own death.
I don't fear it. I just don't understand it.
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Reply from justin
Jun.04.2012
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vertical line Quote: "My sister passed away from cancer a few years back.
Helplessness and feelings of despair weighted my shoulders.
Now looking back, the thoughts and memories are still there
But, the years have made the weight lighter to bear.

Since then, I have thought heavily about my own death.
I don't fear it. I just don't understand it.
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Thats the real issue with death, we miss the person (which is ok) and it reminds us of our own perceived mortality.
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Reply from boymonk
Jun.04.2012
09:17PM EDT 
vertical line Good luck, bad luck, depends on the perspective. That's what it is to be a slave.
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Jun.06.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Good luck, bad luck, depends on the perspective. That's what it is to be a slave. "
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Some say that bad luck is due to Karma
And that good luck is just random

I happen to believe that things happen for a reason
Even if that reason is not known to us ... That's what it is to be human
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Jun.06.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Good luck, bad luck, depends on the perspective. That's what it is to be a slave.

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Some say that bad luck is due to Karma
And that good luck is just random

I happen to believe that things happen for a reason
Even if that reason is not known to us ... That's what it is to be human
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But what is Karma. If Zen Buddhism should not be interested in how things began doesn't that invalidate Karma? Isn't Karma the imagined history about how ones circumstances began?
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Reply from boymonk
Jun.06.2012
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vertical line You're in the desert and happen to find a turtle lying on it's back. What do you do?
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Reply from so_teh
Jun.06.2012
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Jun.06.2012
04:37PM EDT 
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vertical line Why didn't you help the turtle?
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Jun.06.2012
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vertical line I don't need what I want and I have what I need and everything is accordingly.
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Reply from boymonk
Jun.06.2012
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vertical line You open a fortune cookie and it says, "duck." What do you do?
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Reply from so_teh
Jun.06.2012
05:19PM EDT 
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vertical line TAO TE CHING - Chapter 21. Accept

Harmony is only in following the Way.

The Way is without form or quality,
But expresses all forms and qualities;
The Way is hidden and implicate,
But expresses all of nature;
The Way is unchanging,
But expresses all motion.

Beneath sensation and memory
The Way is the source of all the world.
How can I understand the source of the world?
By accepting.
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Reply from nibble
Jun.06.2012
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vertical line Quote: "You're in the desert and happen to find a turtle lying on it's back. What do you do? "
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Is it still fresh?..
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Reply from boymonk
Jun.06.2012
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vertical line You open a fortune cookie and it says, "stop reading." What do you do?
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Reply from boymonk
Jun.06.2012
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vertical line You're in a mini-mall and run across a banner that says, "GRAND OPENING," but there's just an unopened box of Preparation H on the floor under the sign. What do you do?
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Reply from boymonk
Jun.06.2012
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vertical line Okay you're in a bar and find a fortune cookie. You open the cookie and look to read the fortune contained within but this cookie doesn't have a fortune inside. You feel a bit disappointed but also greatly relieved because fortune cookies have always proved to be self fulfilling prophecies for you. No matter what they say you always find a way to make what they say come true. On one occasion the fortune said that you would meet your maker, for example, and you proceeded to visit your parents who live in Nebraska. Actually that's a self-fulfilling fate worse than death. But anyway, that's how it is with you. So there you sit in the bar eating the cookie with no fortune feeling greatly relieved that there is no fortune. What do you do?
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Reply from shayne
Jun.06.2012
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vertical line Quote: "You open a fortune cookie and it says, "duck." What do you do?

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sauce.
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Jun.06.2012
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vertical line Quote: "But what is Karma. If Zen Buddhism should not be interested in how things began doesn't that invalidate Karma? Isn't Karma the imagined history about how ones circumstances began? "
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Karma is about "when this is , that is" .. or how things are linked
Not so much about how something got started or the beginning of phenomena
It is the entanglement of spirits or souls

Almost everyone has Karma to work out.
But, it isn't so much about when it started or how it started.
It is just more important to figure out how to work it out
so that it no longer entangles one to it.

Now what the heck does that mean??
I've been working on that myself for a long time.
Apparently when we are attached to things or people, we create links
Whether it be love or hatred or eating meat cause it harmed another life
More karma ... doesn't matter where it began or what it was ... there is Karma
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Jun.06.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "But what is Karma. If Zen Buddhism should not be interested in how things began doesn't that invalidate Karma? Isn't Karma the imagined history about how ones circumstances began? "
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Karma is about "when this is , that is" .. or how things are linked
Not so much about how something got started or the beginning of phenomena
It is the entanglement of spirits or souls

Almost everyone has Karma to work out.
But, it isn't so much about when it started or how it started.
It is just more important to figure out how to work it out
so that it no longer entangles one to it.

Now what the heck does that mean??
I've been working on that myself for a long time.
Apparently when we are attached to things or people, we create links
Whether it be love or hatred or eating meat cause it harmed another life
More karma ... doesn't matter where it began or what it was ... there is Karma
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I like this. It's an interesting take on Karma. I find it much more interesting than the universal retribution model.
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Jun.07.2012
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Jun.07.2012
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vertical line Quote: "I like this. It's an interesting take on Karma. I find it much more interesting than the universal retribution model."
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The retribution model seems to want a balance between good and evil
Whereas the universe doesn't see things in those terms.

I'm sorry. Maybe I am wrong for saying that about Karma.
Just that I always thought that to be enlightened meant to be free
of entanglements and attachments. But, not to forsake our responsibilities
that our lives have taken on due to our role as human beings with relationships
to others whether they be family or friends or whatever.
But, I;m rambling again ... sorry.
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Jun.08.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "I like this. It's an interesting take on Karma. I find it much more interesting than the universal retribution model."
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The retribution model seems to want a balance between good and evil
Whereas the universe doesn't see things in those terms.

I'm sorry. Maybe I am wrong for saying that about Karma.
Just that I always thought that to be enlightened meant to be free
of entanglements and attachments. But, not to forsake our responsibilities
that our lives have taken on due to our role as human beings with relationships
to others whether they be family or friends or whatever.
But, I;m rambling again ... sorry.
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Karma is simple, Eat chilli tonight and burn tomorrow. The difficult bit (which is not so difficult with practice) is understanding where your actions will lead. What is the product of your actions. This takes awareness and clear thinking.

This is why the most important thing of all is
Attention, Attention Attention.

All the books and learnings only point to this, each of us personally must be attentive constantly to our actions and thoughts, and motivation. If we can do this then we do not need any books or learnings, we have them all, internalised.
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Jun.08.2012
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Karma:

We had a guy working at the Resort who had anger issues.  He would take issue with anyone over just about anything.  He was almost 7 ft tall and the women at the desk said he intimidated them by looming over them.  He tried it with me too, but I just said, *Its okay by me, man, I can reach you just fine.*  Then he backed off.

Then he threatened to beat up the soda delivery man, and go fired.  Later they brought him back for Banquet Setup, thinking that would have little public contact.  But he got into a verbal argument with another setup person, in the middle of the crowded restaurant, and they both got fired.

Now I hear he has become a registered nurse, and I pray never to fall into his care.

Its up to us to cultivate ourselves, and what will come to us will be like that.  karma is not a mathematical equation, determining reward or retribution. 

A secretary at work long ago used to ask how a certain person we knew kept getting promoted, even though she was terrible to everyone.  I said, *God lifts some people higher just so as to drop them further.* 

She rose to the level of a National Director, and then was fired for some kind of malfeasence, along with some others of the same ilk.  At that level, its pretty hard to get another job after something like that.

Just be as good of a person as you can be, and let good things happen for you.

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Jun.08.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Karma is simple, Eat chilli tonight and burn tomorrow. The difficult bit (which is not so difficult with practice) is understanding where your actions will lead. What is the product of your actions. This takes awareness and clear thinking.

This is why the most important thing of all is
Attention, Attention Attention.

All the books and learnings only point to this, each of us personally must be attentive constantly to our actions and thoughts, and motivation. If we can do this then we do not need any books or learnings, we have them all, internalised.
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Personally, I rather like to think of Karma not as cause and effect but more of an entanglement. Example is that a person is angry or depressed due to something previous .. this doesn't require knowledge of what caused it .. it requires awareness to change and become free of its effects .. free of entanglements. To become free of causing something else. To end the cycle.

In this way, Karma relates to the path that one is on and the direction that one wants to move towards. Rather than just thinking it is a cause and effect. I'm guessing that I'm not making any sense. Sorry for the ramblings.
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vertical line Quote: "This is why the most important thing of all is
Attention, Attention Attention.

All the books and learnings only point to this, each of us personally must be attentive constantly to our actions and thoughts, and motivation. If we can do this then we do not need any books or learnings, we have them all, internalised.
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Thanks for that. I have always felt that way. But, to see someone else think that way ...
Makes my day.
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Jun.08.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Karma is simple, Eat chilli tonight and burn tomorrow. The difficult bit (which is not so difficult with practice) is understanding where your actions will lead. What is the product of your actions. This takes awareness and clear thinking.

This is why the most important thing of all is
Attention, Attention Attention.

All the books and learnings only point to this, each of us personally must be attentive constantly to our actions and thoughts, and motivation. If we can do this then we do not need any books or learnings, we have them all, internalised.
"
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Personally, I rather like to think of Karma not as cause and effect but more of an entanglement. Example is that a person is angry or depressed due to something previous .. this doesn't require knowledge of what caused it .. it requires awareness to change and become free of its effects .. free of entanglements. To become free of causing something else. To end the cycle.

In this way, Karma relates to the path that one is on and the direction that one wants to move towards. Rather than just thinking it is a cause and effect. I'm guessing that I'm not making any sense. Sorry for the ramblings.
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If the person who is angry looks at themself and discovers the anger is not real, it is ego created puff goes the anger. Gone
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Jun.08.2012
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Jun.08.2012
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vertical line So you're a gladiator in ancient Roam, fighting ... killing, but notice a small flower on the ground, all by itself in the gladiator pit. It makes you smile. What do you do?
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Jun.08.2012
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vertical line Quote: "If the person who is angry looks at themself and discovers the anger is not real, it is ego created puff goes the anger. Gone
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All things real and imaginary have something called momentum
Even if one discovers the truth, emotions will carry events to a poor conclusion

Working on Karma should be working to free oneself from ...
I've said too much. You are right. But how does the saying go??
It is easier said than done??
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vertical line This requires prefacing.  I am not a Buddhist, nor do I have any interest in being a Buddhist at this time.  However, I absolutely respect your desire to be a Buddhist and wholeheartedly support anyone's right to any faith.  What follows then is absolutely an outsider's perspective.  I do not believe what you believe, nor do I wish for you to believe what I believe.  However, I absolutely respect your beliefs and find them interesting.  I do .... I don't think you can believe in Zen but I do follow it and Zen and Buddhism compliment so what we think is not so very far apart.  It is the divide between faith and philosophy, and I am very conscious that I am treading that line.  I am trying to do that respectful, and I wish to assert that I mean absolutely no disrespect. 

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All things real and imaginary have something called momentum
Even if one discovers the truth, emotions will carry events to a poor conclusion

Working on Karma should be working to free oneself from ...
I've said too much. You are right. But how does the saying go??
It is easier said than done??

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    Momentum from what to what? 

**shrug**

More to the point, what difference does it make?  My reality is governed by Karma?  Great.  I do the best that I can.  My reality is not governed by Karma?  Great.  I do the best that I can.  True false or somewhere in between I just don't see the importance.  In the moment is what is, in the moment is all I care about.  In the moment I act, as best as I can in a manner that is as far as possible good for the all. 

I have been thinking about this a lot.  Like I said I was interested.  By I have come to a slightly different conclusion.

Sure there are entanglements.  There are always entanglements.  Can I parse them away?  Perhaps.  But I don't think that I should.  Rather I want to become more entangled.  More connected to everything.  I'm not interested in me.  I'm boring and insignificant.  I have value only insofar as I can be a part of the whole.  I want what I do to have consequence, to matter.  If that brings pain or pleasure it is irrelevant.  Who am I?  A conduit.  A piece of information in a pathway, or pathways.  What we do, how we course that effects everything around us, we are all collectively reality.  **shrug** but that is the humanist in me.  Either way there is the moment.  And in the moment I am on summer break.
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Jun.08.2012
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give her a name
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vertical line Quote: "    Momentum from what to what? 

**shrug**

More to the point, what difference does it make?  My reality is governed by Karma?  Great.  I do the best that I can.  My reality is not governed by Karma?  Great.  I do the best that I can.  True false or somewhere in between I just don't see the importance.  In the moment is what is, in the moment is all I care about.  In the moment I act, as best as I can in a manner that is as far as possible good for the all. 

I have been thinking about this a lot.  Like I said I was interested.  By I have come to a slightly different conclusion.

Sure there are entanglements.  There are always entanglements.  Can I parse them away?  Perhaps.  But I don't think that I should.  Rather I want to become more entangled.  More connected to everything.  I'm not interested in me.  I'm boring and insignificant.  I have value only insofar as I can be a part of the whole.  I want what I do to have consequence, to matter.  If that brings pain or pleasure it is irrelevant.  Who am I?  A conduit.  A piece of information in a pathway, or pathways.  What we do, how we course that effects everything around us, we are all collectively reality.  **shrug** but that is the humanist in me.  Either way there is the moment.  And in the moment I am on summer break.
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Ever get angry at someone?? Then realize that your anger presents a problem to your relationship. So, you feel that you want to stop saying what you're saying. But, you continue to say it anyway. That is momentum. What is started .. must run its course.

Entanglements are like a web of strings. They tend to hinder free movement. I believe we are on path to search for this freedom. Being a part of something is not dis-allowed. Buddha said to be in the world not of it.

I truly am sorry for my ramblings. Often it only causes confusion ... even to me when I read it out loud. ... lol
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Jun.08.2012
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vertical line You see her across the bar. She is beautify, like a dream come alive, like a fortune flower answering every wish and desire. See looks at you and for a moment time stops, everything is still. You begin to feel a faint vibration from beneath your hands, so slight that you think for a moment it's not really there, that it's just your imagination. She stands and abruptly walks towards you, looking purposeful, looking predatory. The vibration is much stronger now and you notice others noticing it. It's not your imagination. The bar is now visibly vibrating. Glasses are hopping, breaking. The bar is beginning to crack. She's almost on you when a glass falls off the bar. It's a thick glass beer jar, the kind used in filament houses. It breaks, astonishingly. The girl kneels down before it, as though to pray, but she doesn't. She just kneels, looks up ... What do you do?
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Jun.09.2012
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vertical line lay down your laws of attraction beneath the bar of unknowing and sense the unseen as vibratory oneness ... one to oneness the earth is your nest to rest, bless, with hand touching hand and light arises as day in night

flow here
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Jun.09.2012
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He grasped in thin air before suddenly hitting hard on very solid ground. Slowly he opened his eyes to the stingy light, there was some mass spectacle around him and the distant  sound of metal against metal.
The gunslinger shielded his eyes from the burning sun, the dust were hanging thick in the dry air. His eyes slowly focused as his dizziness slowly evaporated. He was sitting at the tribune at some stadium, people around him seemed to not notice the stranger suddenly appearing in their mist. Eyes focused intently on some action in the middle of this huge arena.
Gladiator fight? The gunslinger could hardly believe his own eyes, this timeline was really messed up. It seemed like ancient Rome, insinuating an impossible time lag consisting not of fractions or minutes, but of some two thousand years or so!
This was scary, the gunslinger`s first thought was to get out of there. He did not know how stable this world was, maybe it was border lining some giant black hole slowly tearing apart the fabric of this reality being on the very edge of some implosion.
He was just about to activate the reversal button on his Samsung IPod transponder when the Biodeversifyer started to hum, giving of a blue light. The Sharpagod flower!
Quickly the gunslinger picked up the Biodeversifyer, it was an 99,98% match, there could be no doubt knowing that the producer of the Biodeversifyer always undercut the result with 0,02% as a safeguard against error. The gunslinger, tried to localise the source of the signal. There, it seemed to come from the gladiator pit.
This would demand some tact and skills.
He got up, and started to push thru the crowd towards the edge down to the arena, there he climbed over and let himself drop down from a height of three meters before anyone could react.
There was bewilderment among the audience as he walked across the bloodstained sand towards the gladiator pit. Two gladiators that had been fighting stopped and looked confused at each others and towards a guy in a red cloak at what appeared to be some vip area of the tribune.
The gunslinger held up his hands in a defensive style saying "no worry, just passing thru, soon be on my way" in a friendly voice. This seemed to not impress the gladiators that started to run towards him following some order given in a cryptic language from the vip tribune.
As they came closer the gunslinger pulled out his Gigablaster TM, and with a sigh blew the first guy literary in two with a blue blast of protomatter. The other guy stopped. Looked at his former gladiator friend, looked at the gunslinger, then lifted his pitch fork and net and started charging towards him again. The gunslinger just slowly shock his head, lifted the Gigablaster TM and another ball of blue light hissed trough the stadium, completely obliterating the top portion of the gladiator, leaving the legs standing for a split second before collapsing in a pool of goo.
The silence on the arena was breathtaking, before suddenly a slow roar built itself up to a thunder as the audience went wild with cheering and applauds.
The gunslinger smiled and waved at the audience as he started to walk towards the pit again.
Then suddenly some ten-fifteen gladiators came charging out of the pit with swords and axes. The gunslinger gave a silent curse as he set his Gigablaster TM on automatic. Then the charging hop was suddenly emblazed in blue lightning that roared for two second before giving way to the sound of blood and tissue falling to the ground with sickly thumps. The group of charging people was reduced to a red welling of entrails, pieces of damping meat and blood.
The gunslinger walked through the sticky mess with an audience behind him that went almost insane with cheering and screaming.
It was colder down in the dim pit, and the outside noise was blushingly muffled. He was about to pick up the Biodiversifyer when his eyes suddenly spotted a tiny blue flower sprouting forth from a crack in the floor in front of him. He could not believe he finally had secured the Sharpagod flower! Carefully he picked up the precious thing, trying to get as much soil and roots as possible, holding the precious flower gently in his hand.
Now he had to get back to his original entry point and go home.
He entered the arena again to the crowds immense pleasure, this time aiming for a staircase leading up to the tribune. The normally locked gate had been opened as to give access to a horde of roman soldiers that now came charging towards him.
The gunslinger used his Gigablaster TM as a lawn mower, decimating the attackers into a formless pit while holding the precious flower with the other hand.
Still the Romans came pouring forth in the hundreds. The Gigablaster TM started to feel warm, and the gunslinger soon found himself wading through a pool of goo, slowly starting to move upwards on the tribune wading to his knees in this human sludge.
The audience was frenetic and stampeded each others in bloody panic as the gunslinger progressed onwards towards them.
Finally he was at seat XI, his original entry point.
Luckily unaware that she was just messing and had no intention at all to put up as she did not really want a Sharpagod flower but just said so to as get rid of him, the gunslinger smilingly pushed the reversal button on his samsung Ipod transponder and was gone.

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vertical line Quote: "You see her across the bar. She is beautify, like a dream come alive, like a fortune flower answering every wish and desire. See looks at you and for a moment time stops, everything is still. You begin to feel a faint vibration from beneath your hands, so slight that you think for a moment it's not really there, that it's just your imagination. She stands and abruptly walks towards you, looking purposeful, looking predatory. The vibration is much stronger now and you notice others noticing it. It's not your imagination. The bar is now visibly vibrating. Glasses are hopping, breaking. The bar is beginning to crack. She's almost on you when a glass falls off the bar. It's a thick glass beer jar, the kind used in filament houses. It breaks, astonishingly. The girl kneels down before it, as though to pray, but she doesn't. She just kneels, looks up ... What do you do? "
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "You see her across the bar. She is beautify, like a dream come alive, like a fortune flower answering every wish and desire. See looks at you and for a moment time stops, everything is still. You begin to feel a faint vibration from beneath your hands, so slight that you think for a moment it's not really there, that it's just your imagination. She stands and abruptly walks towards you, looking purposeful, looking predatory. The vibration is much stronger now and you notice others noticing it. It's not your imagination. The bar is now visibly vibrating. Glasses are hopping, breaking. The bar is beginning to crack. She's almost on you when a glass falls off the bar. It's a thick glass beer jar, the kind used in filament houses. It breaks, astonishingly. The girl kneels down before it, as though to pray, but she doesn't. She just kneels, looks up ... What do you do?

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Also, the idea of helping her to her feet and then gtfo together since you were both apparently in an earthquake was never broached?

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Ever get angry at someone?? Then realize that your anger presents a problem to your relationship. So, you feel that you want to stop saying what you're saying. But, you continue to say it anyway. That is momentum. What is started .. must run its course.

Entanglements are like a web of strings. They tend to hinder free movement. I believe we are on path to search for this freedom. Being a part of something is not dis-allowed. Buddha said to be in the world not of it.

I truly am sorry for my ramblings. Often it only causes confusion ... even to me when I read it out loud. ... lol

Again, this a very different take on Karma and I find myself enamored with it. My biggest concern is how do you find the line. That is, when does something cease to become an entanglement and start to become a part of the world we live in?

While I tend to be weary of the word must, part of being human is recognizing and breaking patterns... But, sure I have been angry and failed to recognize and suppress it in time. Mindfulness is key but it is our minds we must be mindful of and the subconscious is powerful tricksum at times.

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Also, the idea of helping her to her feet and then gtfo together since you were both apparently in an earthquake was never broached?
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Anytime there is a beautiful girl approaching me, I begin to shake ... so no, it never occurred to me that it could be an earthquake.

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Ever get angry at someone?? Then realize that your anger presents a problem to your relationship. So, you feel that you want to stop saying what you're saying. But, you continue to say it anyway. That is momentum. What is started .. must run its course.

Entanglements are like a web of strings. They tend to hinder free movement. I believe we are on path to search for this freedom. Being a part of something is not dis-allowed. Buddha said to be in the world not of it.

I truly am sorry for my ramblings. Often it only causes confusion ... even to me when I read it out loud. ... lol

Again, this a very different take on Karma and I find myself enamored with it. My biggest concern is how do you find the line. That is, when does something cease to become an entanglement and start to become a part of the world we live in?

While I tend to be weary of the word must, part of being human is recognizing and breaking patterns... But, sure I have been angry and failed to recognize and suppress it in time. Mindfulness is key but it is our minds we must be mindful of and the subconscious is powerful tricksum at times.

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I'm sorry I spoke about Karma in that way. I don't want to confuse anyone about it .. like I have done to myself. For me, Karma appears to involve one and engross one into a line of actions. Breaking free is part of the work that the eight fold path leads us on.

You are very right. The subconscious is very powerful at times. And, again my apologiies for any confusion I have caused.
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Also, the idea of helping her to her feet and then gtfo together since you were both apparently in an earthquake was never broached?
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Ever get angry at someone?? Then realize that your anger presents a problem to your relationship. So, you feel that you want to stop saying what you're saying. But, you continue to say it anyway. That is momentum. What is started .. must run its course.

Entanglements are like a web of strings. They tend to hinder free movement. I believe we are on path to search for this freedom. Being a part of something is not dis-allowed. Buddha said to be in the world not of it.

I truly am sorry for my ramblings. Often it only causes confusion ... even to me when I read it out loud. ... lol

Again, this a very different take on Karma and I find myself enamored with it. My biggest concern is how do you find the line. That is, when does something cease to become an entanglement and start to become a part of the world we live in?

While I tend to be weary of the word must, part of being human is recognizing and breaking patterns... But, sure I have been angry and failed to recognize and suppress it in time. Mindfulness is key but it is our minds we must be mindful of and the subconscious is powerful tricksum at times.

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I'm sorry I spoke about Karma in that way. I don't want to confuse anyone about it .. like I have done to myself. For me, Karma appears to involve one and engross one into a line of actions. Breaking free is part of the work that the eight fold path leads us on.

You are very right. The subconscious is very powerful at times. And, again my apologiies for any confusion I have caused.
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Please don't be sorry. Karma is complicated and confusing, I doubt Siddhartha could explain without any confusion. But I am interested in your view on Karma. I would like to here (read) more about it. My question was for clarification, not negation. Paradox is not necessarily a bad thing. The universe itself is inherently paradoxical. Context is everything. It rules even physics. My question is where do you personally set the divide. Where is something an entanglement that "engross(es) one into a line of actions" and where is something an inter-action born of "be(ing) in the world not of it"? Can something be both?
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vertical line Really. Give me another chance. I was stressing out over a calculus final. I know that is a thin excuse at best...not even an excuse, an explanation. I should not have let it bleed over into here but i did and I'm sorry. But really, most of the time im pretty nice. I'm interested in what you have to say, not at tearing at it. I'm really sorry I made a bad first impression and I know those count, but please give me a second chance.
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vertical line Quote: "Please don't be sorry. Karma is complicated and confusing, I doubt Siddhartha could explain without any confusion. But I am interested in your view on Karma. I would like to here (read) more about it. My question was for clarification, not negation. Paradox is not necessarily a bad thing. The universe itself is inherently paradoxical. Context is everything. It rules even physics. My question is where do you personally set the divide. Where is something an entanglement that "engross(es) one into a line of actions" and where is something an inter-action born of "be(ing) in the world not of it"? Can something be both?"
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Buddha said "be in the world ... not of it"
I believe that it shows how we should relate to this world
After much meditation and concentration, our minds develop a sense of
What I could only say is ... "A Separate Peace"
This detachment helps us to unbind the Karma which we are born with and
the Karma which we continue to entangle ourselves with.
The work on Karma is the work on ourselves.
Like giving thanks before we eat transforms the food into a meal without more Karma
It is not a perfect example. And, my experiences don't give me enough to explain.
Cause as I have said, sometimes I can see so clearly and then the cloud rolls in and nothing is left but nonsense. And so, I apologize for my ramblings.
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vertical line What does it mean to you to be in the world? Are entanglements only negative? For example, I see compassion as necessitating entanglement. Compassion means literally taking on and experiencing another's pain. It is solace and solution found in the shared identity with one another. Does this constitute an entanglement to be severed or is it a facet of being in the world?
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vertical line Quote: "What does it mean to you to be in the world? Are entanglements only negative? For example, I see compassion as necessitating entanglement. Compassion means literally taking on and experiencing another's pain. It is solace and solution found in the shared identity with one another. Does this constitute an entanglement to be severed or is it a facet of being in the world?"
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You ask a lot of questions. I am only working these things out for myself.
I'm sure you will find your own things as you work on yourself.
Well, as far as I know, entanglements are not necessarily negative.
It becomes a matter of what stage of the path you are on.
To be in the world is to uphold your obligations and responsibilities
Not of it .. should mean that it shouldn't take hold of all your attention to the point that it does now (depends on where you're at now). A sense of detachment.

Compassion is not discarded. I believe it is essential in order to complete the cycle.
The climb up the mountain is for oneself. The climb down is for others.
Now, you may be as confused as I am. As I said, it is sometimes clear to me wat these things mean.
And then, I lose the clarity and I'm stuck here ... still working on myself ... still learning.
So, again my apologies for my ramblings.
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The chance to know and experience more isnt a gaurantee. The end of questions comes.

But, If it helps put you at ease I am more interested in your take on the answers than what the answers are themselves. I'm coming to doubt that there is such a thing as a "correct" answer anyhow. Answers mean less than questions. It is an entanglement of what and how that I lack the vocabulary to express.
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This is why the most important thing of all is
Attention, Attention Attention.

All the books and learnings only point to this, each of us personally must be attentive constantly to our actions and thoughts, and motivation. If we can do this then we do not need any books or learnings, we have them all, internalised.
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Personally, I rather like to think of Karma not as cause and effect but more of an entanglement. Example is that a person is angry or depressed due to something previous .. this doesn't require knowledge of what caused it .. it requires awareness to change and become free of its effects .. free of entanglements. To become free of causing something else. To end the cycle.

In this way, Karma relates to the path that one is on and the direction that one wants to move towards. Rather than just thinking it is a cause and effect. I'm guessing that I'm not making any sense. Sorry for the ramblings.
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If the person who is angry looks at themself and discovers the anger is not real, it is ego created puff goes the anger. Gone
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The first time I was mugged I was only 9 years old.  Three boys at a playground beat me up and took my ball and mitt.  Two of them held me while the third one beat me up.

Years later, walking along with my grandfather I saw one of the boys talking with some people.  I figured I would be several swings into him before he remembered who I was, and said, "Excuse me, Grandpa, I've got a score to settle."

He told me to forget it, nothing good could come of it.  He told me to let the past go, and just stay focused on making a better future.  That he said was the better thing to do.

I respected his wisdom and let it go, but I must admit that even today, nearly 50 years later, I wouldnt mind settling the score, but I would still let it go.  Revenge is a bad investment.  Its all risk, and no income.

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vertical line Quote: "The first time I was mugged I was only 9 years old.  Three boys at a playground beat me up and took my ball and mitt.  Two of them held me while the third one beat me up.

Years later, walking along with my grandfather I saw one of the boys talking with some people.  I figured I would be several swings into him before he remembered who I was, and said, "Excuse me, Grandpa, I've got a score to settle."

He told me to forget it, nothing good could come of it.  He told me to let the past go, and just stay focused on making a better future.  That he said was the better thing to do.

I respected his wisdom and let it go, but I must admit that even today, nearly 50 years later, I wouldnt mind settling the score, but I would still let it go.  Revenge is a bad investment.  Its all risk, and no income.

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I mean no disrespect. But, you said that you let it go. And yet, you also said that after 50 years, you wouldn't mind settling the score. How does that mean you let it go?
Isn't it like the story of the two monks who come to a stream where a woman was trying to cross. One monk helped her by carrying her across. Later the other monk said we monks aren't suppose to have contact with women. Then, asked why did he carry her across the stream. The response was that he let her go at the stream. So why does the other monk still carry her?? Aren't you still carrying it around?? Again I am sorry if my questions are out of line.
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Years later, walking along with my grandfather I saw one of the boys talking with some people.  I figured I would be several swings into him before he remembered who I was, and said, "Excuse me, Grandpa, I've got a score to settle."

He told me to forget it, nothing good could come of it.  He told me to let the past go, and just stay focused on making a better future.  That he said was the better thing to do.

I respected his wisdom and let it go, but I must admit that even today, nearly 50 years later, I wouldnt mind settling the score, but I would still let it go.  Revenge is a bad investment.  Its all risk, and no income.

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I mean no disrespect. But, you said that you let it go. And yet, you also said that after 50 years, you wouldn't mind settling the score. How does that mean you let it go?
Isn't it like the story of the two monks who come to a stream where a woman was trying to cross. One monk helped her by carrying her across. Later the other monk said we monks aren't suppose to have contact with women. Then, asked why did he carry her across the stream. The response was that he let her go at the stream. So why does the other monk still carry her?? Aren't you still carrying it around?? Again I am sorry if my questions are out of line.
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I mean no disrespect. But, you said that you let it go. And yet, you also said that after 50 years, you wouldn't mind settling the score. How does that mean you let it go?
Isn't it like the story of the two monks who come to a stream where a woman was trying to cross. One monk helped her by carrying her across. Later the other monk said we monks aren't suppose to have contact with women. Then, asked why did he carry her across the stream. The response was that he let her go at the stream. So why does the other monk still carry her?? Aren't you still carrying it around?? Again I am sorry if my questions are out of line.
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Your question seems appropriate, as does your analogy.

By letting it go I meant I had decided not to act on it.  It doesnt change the way I feel about being mugged like that.

EG:  When I was little my big brother used to try to kill me every day.  True story.  I asked him a few years ago if he remembered when he used to do that and he said he did, even recounted some times that I didnt remember.

I asked him how he felt about that, and he said he had no problems with it because older siblings often resent the arrival of a newcomer.  He said he had no remorse about it at all.

I thought about that.  He tried to kill me until I was three years old, every chance he got.  I had to struggle everyday to survive. Even after he stopped trying to kill me, he still made life as hard for me as he could.  And he is not even sorry now that he is an adult.

If he had said he was sorry, I would have forgiven him and moved on.  But since he has no remorse, that just means he has grown from a little piece of crap into a big piece of crap.  So I told him we are estranged and I want nothing more to do with him, and that is how it has been for several years now.  Yet I have not plans to do him harm.

Thats what I call letting it go, putting it in the past.  I still harbor a great dislike for my brother, and resentment for the way I was treated, but I dont hate anyone or anything.  I just dont want anything more to do with him.

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I do not know what to say. Again my apologies ...
Really sorry for bringing up such memories and feelings.
Please forgive me so that we can forget this matter and move on.
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it was nicki minaj.

haha.

seems she wants to date me and have my baby.

i told her nicki........ok but i got other woman to attend to so i cant stay with you long.

hahahahaha.
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they got hung up on.

hahahahha.
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Thank you. Forgiveness is a wonderful thing.
In religion, forgiveness lets us start our lives anew ..
without holding on to anger .. to forget those who transgress upon us ..
and to free us from others holding their anger towards us .. lets us move on.
I am glad you have forgiven me.
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I do not know what to say. Again my apologies ...
Really sorry for bringing up such memories and feelings.
Please forgive me so that we can forget this matter and move on.
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I do not know what to say. Again my apologies ...
Really sorry for bringing up such memories and feelings.
Please forgive me so that we can forget this matter and move on.
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I dont want anything more to do with him in this lifetime.  I guess thats what I call letting it go.

After we have died and gone over to the other side, so to speak, I will see what options are available there.  If I can press charges against him there, or pursuit some course of seeking justice, maybe I will, or maybe I wont.  I will decide then.

Until then, I will just let it go here.  It doesnt matter anymore, here.  And when I think about it, that what I think of it.

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vertical line When a natural disaster comes, do you blame the storm or earthquake??
Do you blame God?? This thing is like a stain on your very clean clothes.

I know that I am not free from such things.
Memories of things come back to me and make stand up and walk around.
At times, I will speak out of the injustice that went past .. ages ago.
It still has a hold on me. But, it is just Karma. Work on my Karma is work on myself.
I hope to clear the back log of crap in my mind so I am free to enjoy life.
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