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vertical line Posted on Jul.14.2012 @ 02:11PM EDT by leoj99
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Jul.14.2012
02:16PM EDT 
vertical line Lama Lena on the Nature of the Mind, through the Dzogchen Teachings.flv
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Jul.14.2012
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Jul.15.2012
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vertical line Lama Lena on the Nature of the Mind, through the Dzogchen Teachings.flv
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Jul.15.2012
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vertical line Marvelous and Effective -_-
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Jul.16.2012
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vertical line A single note played on the piano can blow the mind away
Not thinking and not doing ... the note played ... only the note
Later I couldn't remember if it actually happened or whether I dreamed it up.
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Jul.16.2012
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Jul.16.2012
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vertical line Ting - in the beginning was the unavoidable relation of sound with silence - the first note determines the sound of the wound.
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Jul.23.2012
01:41AM EDT 
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vertical line Finger pointing at the same thing.
Three things that can not be hidden .. sun, moon, the truth
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Reply from leoj99
Jul.23.2012
02:32AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Finger pointing at the same thing.
Three things that can not be hidden .. sun, moon, the truth
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The truth is always there but mostly it is not seen. As if it is not there and always hiding.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.23.2012
07:38AM EDT 
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Jul.23.2012
09:47AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Finger pointing at the same thing.
Three things that can not be hidden .. sun, moon, the truth
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The truth is always there but mostly it is not seen. As if it is not there and always hiding.
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Still waters reflect the sun, moon, the truth
What is it that hides??
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.23.2012
09:53AM EDT 
vertical line What you talk about and look forward to has already come but you don't recognise it.
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Reply from leoj99
Jul.23.2012
11:25AM EDT 
vertical line Thats because you are always thinking of the truth. You are always missing.
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Jul.23.2012
11:41AM EDT 
vertical line Commiserations. Finger stink?
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.23.2012
11:48AM EDT 
vertical line Only you, and you, appear to be pointing at the same thing.
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Reply from frozenaomi
Jul.23.2012
01:35PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Finger pointing at the same thing.
Three things that can not be hidden .. sun, moon, the truth
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A thumb can blot out the moon, a palm the sun, a lie the truth.  Do the best with what you have, but always be aware that it is a perception, a version of reality.  I don't really know what to do with this, but looking at history the most probable thing is that everything we know to be true is entirely wrong.

=^.^=
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.23.2012
01:37PM EDT 
vertical line It is not a thing.
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Jul.23.2012
02:25PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Finger pointing at the same thing.
Three things that can not be hidden .. sun, moon, the truth
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A thumb can blot out the moon, a palm the sun, a lie the truth.  Do the best with what you have, but always be aware that it is a perception, a version of reality.  I don't really know what to do with this, but looking at history the most probable thing is that everything we know to be true is entirely wrong.

=^.^=
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If you wish to hide the sun, moon and the truth then there is little to talk about.
You have made your version of reality.
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Reply from boymonk
Jul.25.2012
07:03PM EDT 
vertical line What is your plan but the moon, and all of its luminosity, doesn't point's.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.25.2012
07:49PM EDT 
vertical line Coils to the rising point.
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Reply from justin
Jul.27.2012
02:44AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Finger pointing at the same thing.
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so what about if i close my eyes?
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Jul.27.2012
02:46AM EDT 
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so what about if i close my eyes?
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Focus upon the breathe ... truth will come
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.27.2012
07:05AM EDT 
vertical line Blotted out in the divine darkness of the supernal sun.
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Jul.29.2012
05:49PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Finger pointing at the same thing.
Three things that can not be hidden .. sun, moon, the truth
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A thumb can blot out the moon, a palm the sun, a lie the truth.  Do the best with what you have, but always be aware that it is a perception, a version of reality.  I don't really know what to do with this, but looking at history the most probable thing is that everything we know to be true is entirely wrong.

=^.^=
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If you wish to hide the sun, moon and the truth then there is little to talk about.
You have made your version of reality.
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My answer was too flippant.  I apologize.  I am dubious of absolutes.  I'm not actually sure there is any such a creature as "reality".  Reality is relative, it is defined based largely on the perceptions of that which is providing the definition.  What is a human?  Is it the entire biocosm wherein "human" cells make up roughly 10% of the population?  Is it the human organism itself?  Is it the cells?  Is it the DNA in the cells?  Is it the current organization of quarks and electrons?  Is it the vibrational quality of the strings which give rise to the apparent existence of all the rest?  Is a body a thing, an object, or is it a point seen from a distance?  Can we chart it as a wave with time?  Does the body have definite dimensions or are they a series of fluxes along orientations of microgravity or is it a fuzzy bundle of loosely coagulated briefly existing interactions?  It is all of these, and in many ways none of these, since to observe any is to necessarily be unable to simultaneously observe the rest. 

Truth is relative.  Or at least subjective.  As is the sun.  As is the moon.  I don't think we have any choice but to make our own version of reality.  The trick, I think, isn't to get hung up on what is real but to favor what is actual.  That is, do not mistake what is for what really is, what is is only what is, but neither mistake what you WANT to be for what is, what is is what actually is. 

That is what I was trying to say the first time, but I was trying to be funny.  I should not do that.  I have a terrible sense of humor.  I'm sorry. 
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Jul.29.2012
07:52PM EDT 
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Reply from starduster
Jul.30.2012
04:53AM EDT 
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Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Finger pointing at the same thing.
Three things that can not be hidden .. sun, moon, the truth
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A thumb can blot out the moon, a palm the sun, a lie the truth.  Do the best with what you have, but always be aware that it is a perception, a version of reality.  I don't really know what to do with this, but looking at history the most probable thing is that everything we know to be true is entirely wrong.

=^.^=
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If you wish to hide the sun, moon and the truth then there is little to talk about.
You have made your version of reality.
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My answer was too flippant.  I apologize.  I am dubious of absolutes.  I'm not actually sure there is any such a creature as "reality".  Reality is relative, it is defined based largely on the perceptions of that which is providing the definition.  What is a human?  Is it the entire biocosm wherein "human" cells make up roughly 10% of the population?  Is it the human organism itself?  Is it the cells?  Is it the DNA in the cells?  Is it the current organization of quarks and electrons?  Is it the vibrational quality of the strings which give rise to the apparent existence of all the rest?  Is a body a thing, an object, or is it a point seen from a distance?  Can we chart it as a wave with time?  Does the body have definite dimensions or are they a series of fluxes along orientations of microgravity or is it a fuzzy bundle of loosely coagulated briefly existing interactions?  It is all of these, and in many ways none of these, since to observe any is to necessarily be unable to simultaneously observe the rest. 

Truth is relative.  Or at least subjective.  As is the sun.  As is the moon.  I don't think we have any choice but to make our own version of reality.  The trick, I think, isn't to get hung up on what is real but to favor what is actual.  That is, do not mistake what is for what really is, what is is only what is, but neither mistake what you WANT to be for what is, what is is what actually is. 

That is what I was trying to say the first time, but I was trying to be funny.  I should not do that.  I have a terrible sense of humor.  I'm sorry. 
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So much is wasted in pursuit of Truth, assumed to be the most noble goal, because it is baseless.

In terms of Things as It is, many things are true, were true, or will be true,

but there is no Truth because nothing has permanence in and of itself.

Yet I say the Spirit has given me a plane of existence of my own,

and promised to spend an eternity there with me, and I believe it,

because I understand it is an illusion, just another part of Things as It is,

which can be anything, limited only by the Spirits will and imagination.

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Reply from leoj99
Oct.31.2012
01:18AM EDT 
vertical line The pointing finger...
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Oct.31.2012
02:07AM EDT 
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vertical line So, what was the point of all this again??
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Oct.31.2012
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Quote:"Still waters reflect the sun, moon, the truth
What is it that hides??
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Other creatures.

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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.31.2012
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vertical line The finger is pointing, but is it pointing at you?
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Oct.31.2012
09:58AM EDT 
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Quote:"Still waters reflect the sun, moon, the truth
What is it that hides??
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Other creatures.

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Other creatures and yourself???
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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.31.2012
10:14AM EDT 
vertical line Plant some carrots. And see better in your dark.
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Oct.31.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Plant some carrots. And see better in your dark. "
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Eat some carrots and hope you don't go bump in the night
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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.31.2012
10:29AM EDT 
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Oct.31.2012
01:18PM EDT 
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Quote: "The finger is pointing, but is it pointing at you?"
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Hopefully, not.

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Oct.31.2012
01:20PM EDT 
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Quote:"Still waters reflect the sun, moon, the truth
What is it that hides??
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Other creatures.

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Other creatures and yourself???
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Other creatures and yourself???
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You thought me thickheaded?

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Oct.31.2012
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Quote:"Still waters reflect the sun, moon, the truth
What is it that hides??
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Other creatures.

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Other creatures and yourself???
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Other creatures and yourself???
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You thought me thickheaded?

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No, I thought you knew the answer
Forgive me for assuming you knew something you did not
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Oct.31.2012
08:18PM EDT 
vertical line The Buddha finger is pointing, and it's pointing at you ...
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Oct.31.2012
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vertical line Whom are you talking? Joe.
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Nov.01.2012
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Nov.02.2012
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Nov.02.2012
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Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Finger pointing at the same thing.
Three things that can not be hidden .. sun, moon, the truth
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A thumb can blot out the moon, a palm the sun, a lie the truth.  Do the best with what you have, but always be aware that it is a perception, a version of reality.  I don't really know what to do with this, but looking at history the most probable thing is that everything we know to be true is entirely wrong.

=^.^=
"
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If you wish to hide the sun, moon and the truth then there is little to talk about.
You have made your version of reality.
"
.........

My answer was too flippant.  I apologize.  I am dubious of absolutes.  I'm not actually sure there is any such a creature as "reality".  Reality is relative, it is defined based largely on the perceptions of that which is providing the definition.  What is a human?  Is it the entire biocosm wherein "human" cells make up roughly 10% of the population?  Is it the human organism itself?  Is it the cells?  Is it the DNA in the cells?  Is it the current organization of quarks and electrons?  Is it the vibrational quality of the strings which give rise to the apparent existence of all the rest?  Is a body a thing, an object, or is it a point seen from a distance?  Can we chart it as a wave with time?  Does the body have definite dimensions or are they a series of fluxes along orientations of microgravity or is it a fuzzy bundle of loosely coagulated briefly existing interactions?  It is all of these, and in many ways none of these, since to observe any is to necessarily be unable to simultaneously observe the rest. 

Truth is relative.  Or at least subjective.  As is the sun.  As is the moon.  I don't think we have any choice but to make our own version of reality.  The trick, I think, isn't to get hung up on what is real but to favor what is actual.  That is, do not mistake what is for what really is, what is is only what is, but neither mistake what you WANT to be for what is, what is is what actually is. 

That is what I was trying to say the first time, but I was trying to be funny.  I should not do that.  I have a terrible sense of humor.  I'm sorry. 
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So much is wasted in pursuit of Truth, assumed to be the most noble goal, because it is baseless.

In terms of Things as It is, many things are true, were true, or will be true,

but there is no Truth because nothing has permanence in and of itself.

Yet I say the Spirit has given me a plane of existence of my own,

and promised to spend an eternity there with me, and I believe it,

because I understand it is an illusion, just another part of Things as It is,

which can be anything, limited only by the Spirits will and imagination.

"
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So much is wasted in pursuit of explaining a fantasy.
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Nov.02.2012
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Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Finger pointing at the same thing.
Three things that can not be hidden .. sun, moon, the truth
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A thumb can blot out the moon, a palm the sun, a lie the truth.  Do the best with what you have, but always be aware that it is a perception, a version of reality.  I don't really know what to do with this, but looking at history the most probable thing is that everything we know to be true is entirely wrong.

=^.^=
"
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If you wish to hide the sun, moon and the truth then there is little to talk about.
You have made your version of reality.
"
.........

My answer was too flippant.  I apologize.  I am dubious of absolutes.  I'm not actually sure there is any such a creature as "reality".  Reality is relative, it is defined based largely on the perceptions of that which is providing the definition.  What is a human?  Is it the entire biocosm wherein "human" cells make up roughly 10% of the population?  Is it the human organism itself?  Is it the cells?  Is it the DNA in the cells?  Is it the current organization of quarks and electrons?  Is it the vibrational quality of the strings which give rise to the apparent existence of all the rest?  Is a body a thing, an object, or is it a point seen from a distance?  Can we chart it as a wave with time?  Does the body have definite dimensions or are they a series of fluxes along orientations of microgravity or is it a fuzzy bundle of loosely coagulated briefly existing interactions?  It is all of these, and in many ways none of these, since to observe any is to necessarily be unable to simultaneously observe the rest. 

Truth is relative.  Or at least subjective.  As is the sun.  As is the moon.  I don't think we have any choice but to make our own version of reality.  The trick, I think, isn't to get hung up on what is real but to favor what is actual.  That is, do not mistake what is for what really is, what is is only what is, but neither mistake what you WANT to be for what is, what is is what actually is. 

That is what I was trying to say the first time, but I was trying to be funny.  I should not do that.  I have a terrible sense of humor.  I'm sorry. 
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So much is wasted in pursuit of Truth, assumed to be the most noble goal, because it is baseless.

In terms of Things as It is, many things are true, were true, or will be true,

but there is no Truth because nothing has permanence in and of itself.

Yet I say the Spirit has given me a plane of existence of my own,

and promised to spend an eternity there with me, and I believe it,

because I understand it is an illusion, just another part of Things as It is,

which can be anything, limited only by the Spirits will and imagination.

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So much is wasted in pursuit of explaining a fantasy.
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Whole institutions are built upon just the thought or idea of something noble.
Why do you consider it a waste??
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Nov.02.2012
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Nov.02.2012
11:25AM EDT 
vertical line Well aren't we all wasting our time in this forum?
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Nov.02.2012
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Nov.02.2012
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vertical line There is no time like now, there is no time in now. Now is no-time. And there is work to be done. Animals to feed, drinkers to fill, quarters to clean. Tables to dress. Wood to split. Ashes to empty and a fire to light. Ciao baby!
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Nov.02.2012
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Time wounds all heals
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