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vertical line Posted on Jul.18.2012 @ 12:14AM EDT by zenmanstan
one- what is the path to lightning flash, is it bravery, or ... selfless service to others.

i would like to obtain many times. not just once, is it a a one time thing?

two - is the soul just the soul? is it always been this way for everyone?


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Jul.18.2012
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one- what is the path to lightning flash, is it bravery, or ... selfless service to others.

i would like to obtain many times. not just once, is it a a one time thing?

two - is the soul just the soul? is it always been this way for everyone?

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One: There is no universal path, just yours for you, but I have noted in a number of *satori stories*, accounts of others satori, a common element of humility. 

That makes sense.  If it was your secret, which it is, would you share it with just anyone?

Two:  I dont know.



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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.18.2012
05:42AM EDT 
vertical line A few days ago I was driving along a quiet road to meet my daughter off the train. As I came to a blind S bend, travelling at about 50 mph, a motorcyle came around the corner, in the opposite direction on my side of the road. The rider had gone into the first bend too fast, had leaned too hard, tried to correct the bike in the second bend and had lost control.

In what seemed like an age of slo- mo, the bike went one way and the rider went another, skidding along on his back, like a rocket, heading straight for me. Clarity - I realised that I really didn't know how I was going to avoid either the bike, the rider, or oncoming traffic going through me. By then the bike had disappeared into the hedge to my left. The rider was still coming towards me, his helmeted head was lifted up, looking straight at my oncoming car. A truck flashed past on my right along the opposite carriageway.

I jinked right, then left. The rider flashed past on my left. I stopped. The rider bounced off the road and into the hedge. By the time I had reversed the car, he was on his feet. His leathers were shredded. He said, "I'm fine. How are you?"

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Call the world if you please "The vale of Soul-making". [...] How then are Souls to be made? How then are these sparks which are God to have identity given them - so as ever to possess a bliss peculiar to each one's individual existence? How, but by the medium of a world like this?
~ John Keats

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Reply from zenmanstan
Jul.18.2012
09:49PM EDT 
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vertical line ive come to two conclusions about the first question:

i forget the first one
conclusion 2 - the answer is you can not dodge or swerve either way but must keep going
in the end they sort of dodge this aways and that aways but ultimately they only get a scratch and ask how youre doing. instead of going insane per usual.

the question of the soul, i have concluded the same thing

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Reply from Avisitor
Jul.19.2012
12:45AM EDT 
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vertical line one- what is the path to lightning flash, is it bravery, or ... selfless service to others.

i would like to obtain many times. not just once, is it a a one time thing?

two - is the soul just the soul? is it always been this way for everyone?

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One- it is your life and your choice ... so it is your path
One A- if you have it in you then you can obtain whatever it is you want
Two- Is rice just rice? Has everyone always eaten rice?
Find your own answer.

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Reply from Chryseis
Jul.21.2012
10:01AM EDT 
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one - the path to lightening flash, is skeptical naivete masked in pure subservience to divine will, aka, an inquisitive childlike curiosity that is determined to make its own mind up, yet doggedly under the umbrella of sensitivity to your next foot fall

two - the soul is like a wreath/wraith (either will suffice), and it amounts to two plus two, two opposing dialectics, and two that are twin. When we counteract, as a whole, any single one of the four, then the sun/moon, light/dark, yin/yang, pos/neg of the conglomeration, that is us, becomes confused, thus it is best if we can maintain stability by assenting to a higher authority the orchestration of ourselves.  This is when the bodhi mind is given the head to supervise our spiritual texture/expanse, and the lower mind/self attends to basic survival to take care of the body.  The soul toes the line to the bodies, for it is the bodies that enables the experience, and hence the evolution of the soul.  So the soul is not just the soul in a life, as it is intrinsically woven into a web where the bodhi mind and the lower body has a part to play.

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Reply from zenmanstan
Jul.21.2012
03:35PM EDT 
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vertical line chreyseis thats very  beautiful. i think i was enlightened in part by your statement about souls and i think i understand your first part to be about watching your step for everyone.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.22.2012
06:41AM EDT 
vertical line There are two kinds of doctors in the world. The first prevents you from living; the other helps you to die.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.22.2012
07:27AM EDT 
vertical line Soul is metaphor, a symbol of transformation, of authenticity, oriented to death.
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Reply from Chryseis
Jul.22.2012
09:11PM EDT 
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you may so, however if soul were only a metaphor then carnivals would only be a whisper on the wind,

 hushed forth by the heaving of an oak, that only could muster tentative desire for fripperies, giddy delight, and excess (in the extreme).

there are, though, metaphors for the soul

these being among them, a dove released from cupped hands

a swallow in its migration

a pillow stuffed with herbs that keep the moths, moulds and crawling hoards away

and, a helium balloon rising through the sky that eventually begins to shrivel and fall because the balloon material has begun to perish from the heat, and the helium has begun to dissipate

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Jul.22.2012
11:22PM EDT 
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vertical line Nah ... there is no soul beyond what you imagine.
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Reply from so_teh
Jul.22.2012
11:34PM EDT 
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vertical line Completeness, beyond real and apparent...PeAcE
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Reply from zenmanstan
Jul.22.2012
11:40PM EDT 
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vertical line once i leave home, if ever, im joining the military to protect my brothers

i heard if you die, you wont feel a thing
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Jul.22.2012
11:45PM EDT 
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vertical line death comes when you stop doing this.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.23.2012
07:48AM EDT 
vertical line Soul isn't a 'finished product'. So, how can I talk about soul without lying about it?
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Reply from Chryseis
Jul.23.2012
08:02AM EDT 
vertical line you're right, and your honesty and freshness becomes you
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Reply from zenmanstan
Jul.24.2012
09:35PM EDT 
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vertical line how can you know love?
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Reply from so_teh
Jul.24.2012
10:02PM EDT 
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vertical line Drop away your love, your health, your body, your mind, your knows and your don't knows to the core of Life. Then, pass through this life and death to the Groundless State. There, amen.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.25.2012
06:27AM EDT 
vertical line How can you know love?

Be still.
Know yourself.
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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.25.2012
08:48AM EDT 
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vertical line Under cover of darkness
to feel the light
a sound arises
appetite
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Reply from so_teh
Jul.25.2012
05:57PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "How can you know love?

Be still.
Know yourself.
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L is for L
O is for O
V is for V
E is for E

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Reply from so_teh
Jul.25.2012
06:06PM EDT 
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vertical line What's with me?
Why is that?
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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.25.2012
06:44PM EDT 
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vertical line Meow

Meow Meow

Ow wow

Oh now

Now wow

Om

No?

Know?

Unknown?
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Reply from boymonk
Jul.25.2012
06:59PM EDT 
vertical line The soul is not the soul. Soul is what is wrong.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.25.2012
07:46PM EDT 
vertical line Faustian moob.
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Jul.25.2012
07:53PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "How can you know love?

Be still.
Know yourself.
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L is for L
O is for O
V is for V
E is for E

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More important than being loved is to love.
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Jul.25.2012
08:01PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Faustian moob."
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Learning?
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.25.2012
08:02PM EDT 
vertical line Be loved beloved for those who love it when that happens.
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Jul.25.2012
08:05PM EDT 
vertical line Learning is a process of remembrance.
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Reply from so_teh
Jul.25.2012
08:08PM EDT 
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vertical line Imagination
Repetition
Confession
Remembrance
Concentration

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45 minutes of meditation is equivalent to drinking a glass of water.
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Jul.25.2012
08:10PM EDT 
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vertical line Ahhh water!
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Jul.25.2012
08:22PM EDT 
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vertical line took one of the dogs out for a walk just now, not raining, yet

and passed by one of my bluebird out in back, went over to take a look

a fly flew out and right in to my eye, the left one, me and the fly, leftovers

now have got to go out again with the other two

pooch pooch chi ooo uuu  chi you'z



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Jul.25.2012
08:23PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "took one of the dogs out for a walk just now, not raining, yet

and passed by one of my bluebird houses out in back, (have 3) went over to take a look

a fly flew out and right in to my eye, the left one, me and the fly, leftovers

now have got to go out again with the other two

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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.25.2012
09:18PM EDT 
vertical line Oh gush/
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Reply from zenmanstan
Jul.25.2012
11:13PM EDT 
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vertical line i figured out the answer to question 1
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Reply from justin
Jul.27.2012
02:40AM EDT 
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vertical line what is not the path to lightning flash? 
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Reply from justin
Jul.27.2012
02:42AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "once i leave home, if ever, im joining the military to protect my brothers

i heard if you die, you wont feel a thing
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.........got nothing to do with protection, got everything to do with enforcing someone elses will, under the subterfuge of doing what is right.
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Jul.27.2012
02:43AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "what is not the path to lightning flash?  "
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Is that what they mean??
I thought he wanted to know how the eight fold path compares to the lightening flash??
My bad.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.27.2012
07:20AM EDT 
vertical line The zig-zag path of a bio-photon lightning strike ripples the tree constantly, it quivers, it shakes, and it will burn your house down.
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