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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: ZEN AND MASTURBATION...THE STRUGGLE!
vertical line Posted on Jul.30.2012 @ 08:05PM EDT by LeonBasin
Having difficulty of stopping, seems to be attached, feels like a high that cannot let go off? Anyone have the same experience or has had the same experience?


Thanks,
Friends!
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Reply from nibble
Jul.30.2012
09:12PM EDT 
vertical line Who do not like to jerk off??:)
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Reply from shayne
Jul.30.2012
11:30PM EDT 
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vertical line haha. yeah what nibble says.

hahaha.
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Reply from LeonBasin
Jul.30.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Who do not like to jerk off??:)

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Well no, but what about it being an addiction?
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Reply from nibble
Jul.30.2012
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Reply from LeonBasin
Jul.30.2012
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it's there, and it's holding me down somehow.
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Reply from Avisitor
Jul.31.2012
12:36AM EDT 
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vertical line I don't believe one can do Zazen and masturbation at the same time!!
So what is it that do you want?
Do you want to practice Zazen?
Or do you want to practice masturbation?
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Reply from leoj99
Jul.31.2012
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vertical line Some kind of undecided mind. Or want to do both...
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Jul.31.2012
01:51AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "I don't believe one can do Zazen and masturbation at the same time!!
So what is it that do you want?
Do you want to practice Zazen?
Or do you want to practice masturbation?


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Lol!
Do you see the problem in the question you have asked me?
Of course I want to quit masturbation and focus on Zazen.
I still practice Zazen, but I feel that something is missing. My energy seems to get depleted.
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Reply from leoj99
Jul.31.2012
02:00AM EDT 
vertical line I think the more your energy is depleted when you masturbate. I know it by experience.
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Reply from starduster
Jul.31.2012
05:13AM EDT 
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Someone said to me once: *If God didnt want us to masturbate we would have shorter arms.*

Still I advocate saving the energy for dreaming or visions.  At least for myself, I have sex that way.  About once a month I knock out an orgasm with my sex doll.  That is masturbation too really, just with a kick-ass visual aid.  We should have had one in Sex Ed.  Go to boytoydolls.com and take a look at miss August.  She's great.

If you consider the full impact of Oneness on our relationships, isnt it all masturbatory ?

I asked a friend who was also awakened how she sustained a relationship in the midst of Oneness, and she said, *We just that central to what we are doing.*

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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.31.2012
06:22AM EDT 
vertical line Zen Masturbation Phallusy ... Jeez ... drillbits and wingnuts.

It's your addiction to oil that determines your foreign policy.

Attention
... Attention ... Attention! ... the sound of one hand practicing.


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Jul.31.2012
06:31AM EDT 
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Jul.31.2012
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.31.2012
07:29AM EDT 
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Jul.31.2012
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Quote: "Zen Masturbation Phallusy ... Jeez ... drillbits and wingnuts.

It's your addiction to oil that determines your foreign policy.

Attention
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What is the sound of one hand clapping?

Sort of like someone with a cleft Palate whispering *tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, .....

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Reply from LeonBasin
Jul.31.2012
12:20PM EDT 
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vertical line I'm just finding that I am leaking and from what I read about Taoism, it says that semen is chi, the life force and to be honest, it surely feels that way when it's all out and I feel cleaned out. I cannot do both, thus I am trying to cut on masturbation and focus on the spiritual side more.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.31.2012
01:35PM EDT 
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Jul.31.2012
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vertical line Quote: "I'm just finding that I am leaking and from what I read about Taoism, it says that semen is chi, the life force and to be honest, it surely feels that way when it's all out and I feel cleaned out. I cannot do both, thus I am trying to cut on masturbation and focus on the spiritual side more."
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Sounds like you already know what to do??
What is it do you ask, now?
For help??
Sorry, I do not believe I can hold your hand ...
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Jul.31.2012
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Reply from so_teh
Jul.31.2012
04:24PM EDT 
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vertical line Know Your Body.

For me, perfect sleep turns to optimal presence turns to meditation. So on the days this little formula works out I am in good shape and sound mind. There isn't much that holds me down.
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Jul.31.2012
07:40PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Know Your Body.

For me, perfect sleep turns to optimal presence turns to meditation. So on the days this little formula works out I am in good shape and sound mind. There isn't much that holds me down.
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So you suggest to listen to the body and mind? And control before it gets out of control?
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Jul.31.2012
07:41PM EDT 
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How does that connect?
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Reply from so_teh
Jul.31.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Know Your Body.

For me, perfect sleep turns to optimal presence turns to meditation. So on the days this little formula works out I am in good shape and sound mind. There isn't much that holds me down.
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So you suggest to listen to the body and mind? And control before it gets out of control?
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Yes definitely, listen to your body. Instead of control though "yield and overcome" as the Tao says.
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Jul.31.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Know Your Body.

For me, perfect sleep turns to optimal presence turns to meditation. So on the days this little formula works out I am in good shape and sound mind. There isn't much that holds me down.
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So you suggest to listen to the body and mind? And control before it gets out of control?
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Yes definitely, listen to your body. Instead of control though "yield and overcome" as the Tao says.
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Reply from justin
Aug.01.2012
12:59AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Know Your Body.

For me, perfect sleep turns to optimal presence turns to meditation. So on the days this little formula works out I am in good shape and sound mind. There isn't much that holds me down.
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So you suggest to listen to the body and mind? And control before it gets out of control?
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this is the attenti0on attention attention thing every thing thought, feeling , everything needs to be noticed. If you take things back to their roots the urges will just dropo away. See things for what they are not what u imagine them to be (that sexy girl still does some pretty unsexy things in reality) she will grow old, she will be demanding of her spouse, she will yell like a banshy,
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Aug.01.2012
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Aug.01.2012
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vertical line Just plug it in.
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Aug.01.2012
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vertical line When one does not see things as they are, one makes generalisations about girls yelling like a [banshy] banshee. Difficult past relationships seem to cause disconnect. I mean, getting old, how sexy is that?
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Aug.01.2012
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Quote: "I'm just finding that I am leaking and from what I read about Taoism, it says that semen is chi, the life force and to be honest, it surely feels that way when it's all out and I feel cleaned out. I cannot do both, thus I am trying to cut on masturbation and focus on the spiritual side more."
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All I know is that if you keep your mitts off your paddy wacker

the tension/pressure will build up until it is released through dreaming.

The sex Ive had in dreams and visions is far better that the sex Ive had in real life.

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Aug.01.2012
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vertical line Okay.  Zen Master[De]Bates would not have known at the time, when he was knocking out his pulp fictions, that they would become the ejaculatory and seminal work, "One Hand Clapping". Some scholars have posited, however, that Bates plagiarised Billy Banka's "Astro Dick" and none other than that old salty dog Seaman Stane's "Shiver Me Timbers" - a controversy which rages to this very day.
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Reply from starduster
Aug.01.2012
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One day, working as a Veterans Rep, I had a hearing with a vet who was claiming service connected disability for a *masturbatory disorder*.

Seems he had been caught, and arrested, when whacking off in the toilet displays at the Sears department store.  His defense in court was that he had contracted a mental condition, a masturbatory disorder, in the service when women were few and far between.  He was following that up by pursueing a case for service connection with the VA.

Usually the Hearing Officer would meet and greet the vet and his wife before the hearing got started.  This time he didnt seem to want to shake the vets hand for some reason.  He just sat down behind his table.  He was forthright in his questioning of the vet, and showed no disdain, but during the hearing he did not look at me at all, and neither did I look at him, I think because we both knew that if we looked at each other we would break out laughing.

Life is funny sometimes.  But masturbation is a natural thing.  All of our secrets are the same.

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Aug.01.2012
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vertical line Only the gods can help us now aiiiieeeeeee hairy palms nnnnn.
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Aug.01.2012
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They say....

that if you keep yourself generally hungry, you curb your sexual appetites, because your mind and body are dealing with a more pressing sensation.

There are many references to monks, desert fathers, hermits and the like that expound on their impoverished and plain diets, particularly those living in spartan conditions.  Eating little was a key factor in maintaining humility and in fact the russian hermits, for instance, had to guard against developing pride over the austerity of their sustenance should it lessen their humility.

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So yeah, solution suggestion:

Go and live in the desert, and spend half your time trying to catch a few locusts and scrape up a bit of wild honey - hopefully your not allergic to bees.

Then when your in your down time, and your guts are eating themself with hunger, see if you feel like a wank then.

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Aug.01.2012
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Aug.01.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Know Your Body.

For me, perfect sleep turns to optimal presence turns to meditation. So on the days this little formula works out I am in good shape and sound mind. There isn't much that holds me down.
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So you suggest to listen to the body and mind? And control before it gets out of control?
"
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this is the attenti0on attention attention thing every thing thought, feeling , everything needs to be noticed. If you take things back to their roots the urges will just dropo away. See things for what they are not what u imagine them to be (that sexy girl still does some pretty unsexy things in reality) she will grow old, she will be demanding of her spouse, she will yell like a banshy,
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That was beautiful!:)
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For me, perfect sleep turns to optimal presence turns to meditation. So on the days this little formula works out I am in good shape and sound mind. There isn't much that holds me down.
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So you suggest to listen to the body and mind? And control before it gets out of control?
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Yes definitely, listen to your body. Instead of control though "yield and overcome" as the Tao says.
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Thank you!
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Exactly my point!!
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Damn sexy! As wisdom brings sexiness ! HAHA!
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Quote: "I'm just finding that I am leaking and from what I read about Taoism, it says that semen is chi, the life force and to be honest, it surely feels that way when it's all out and I feel cleaned out. I cannot do both, thus I am trying to cut on masturbation and focus on the spiritual side more."
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All I know is that if you keep your mitts off your paddy wacker


the tension/pressure will build up until it is released through dreaming.


The sex Ive had in dreams and visions is far better that the sex Ive had in real life.


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You are absolutely right!!
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Aug.01.2012
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So yeah, solution suggestion:



Go and live in the desert, and spend half your time trying to catch a few locusts and scrape up a bit of wild honey - hopefully your not allergic to bees.


Then when your in your down time, and your guts are eating themself with hunger, see if you feel like a wank then.




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Damn that was nice! I can do the same thing at home? Lock the door and eat the key!
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They say....


that if you keep yourself generally hungry, you curb your sexual appetites, because your mind and body are dealing with a more pressing sensation.



There are many references to monks, desert fathers, hermits and the like that expound on their impoverished and plain diets, particularly those living in spartan conditions.  Eating little was a key factor in maintaining humility and in fact the russian hermits, for instance, had to guard against developing pride over the austerity of their sustenance should it lessen their humility.

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Any good links/resources?
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Damn sexy! As wisdom brings sexiness ! HAHA!
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I presuming since i cannot see the original quote it is from Joe, and did you really correct my english? lol

And it is fact that at some point all woman scream like banshys
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Damn sexy! As wisdom brings sexiness ! HAHA!
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I presuming since i cannot see the original quote it is from Joe, and did you really correct my english? lol

And it is fact that at some point all woman scream like banshys
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again, i can only talk from my experience, this is my world which is the world.
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Damn sexy! As wisdom brings sexiness ! HAHA!
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I presuming since i cannot see the original quote it is from Joe, and did you really correct my english? lol

And it is fact that at some point all woman scream like banshys
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No, I didn't! I just added to it!!! Or more like expanded!
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There is a woman I dance with who has offered me sex many times, and she is good looking too, so its hard to turn down.

She used to weigh 300 pounds, and now is about half of less of that.  She lost a lot of weight when she broke up with her husband. 

Im pretty sure that if I got myself into a relationship with her she would zoom right back up to 300 pounds again.

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Aug.02.2012
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vertical line You have the pink Poospe? Dustin's special place in the Poospe? If you have the pink Poospe, plug your points into the Poospe.

And of course, it is fact that at every point, Californians always think of sex and Oz. Or think of death.

Ciao baby! And come back soon now.
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So yeah, solution suggestion:



Go and live in the desert, and spend half your time trying to catch a few locusts and scrape up a bit of wild honey - hopefully your not allergic to bees.


Then when your in your down time, and your guts are eating themself with hunger, see if you feel like a wank then.




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Damn that was nice! I can do the same thing at home? Lock the door and eat the key!"
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Damn that was nice! I can do the same thing at home? Lock the door and eat the key!
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suicide threats

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Aug.03.2012
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"JERK-OFF."
"WANKER."
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Aug.07.2012
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vertical line Stages of 'The Deed'

Craving (don't be here)
Lusting
Wanting
Caressing
Loving (be here)
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