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vertical line Posted on Aug.03.2012 @ 08:51AM EDT by starduster

Forty years ago today I left home, got on a bus and went to Navy Boot Camp.

In a way, I feel like its my 40th birthday because I was finally on my own and life had begun.  Four months later I reported to the Pentagon and my career began too.

20 years later I retired, took 3 years off, and have been semi-retired since.

At a reunion last week, someone told me she could not retire because she doesnt have any hobbies.  My job is my hobby.

In 1990 I experienced awakening, and died.  Life sure has been better since then.


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Aug.03.2012
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Living in the world is like a big dream.
Why so toil yourself to making living?
Just die yourself thoroughly at once one time,
and you will live forever until your next death.

Chontri

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Aug.03.2012
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vertical line What was boot camp like?
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Aug.03.2012
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Living in the world is like a big dream.
Why so toil yourself to making living?
Just die yourself thoroughly at once one time,
and you will live forever until your next death.

Chontri

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That's beautiful
And, it is totally wrong for anyone who hasn't seen into their true nature
Cause with this life there is suffering, pain ... so you toil to make a living

Ah, the truth comes in many flavors
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Aug.04.2012
02:33AM EDT 
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Living in the world is like a big dream.
Why so toil yourself to making living?
Just die yourself thoroughly at once one time,
and you will live forever until your next death.

Chontri

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That's beautiful
And, it is totally wrong for anyone who hasn't seen into their true nature
Cause with this life there is suffering, pain ... so you toil to make a living

Ah, the truth comes in many flavors


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Stop thinking.... just eat watermelon....lol
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Aug.04.2012
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vertical line The moment you can stop thinking life is no longer a dream.
You can toil to earn a living.. why not? And why bother about death and dying if you are always with the moment.
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Aug.04.2012
06:42AM EDT 
vertical line What a mouthful.

Don't leave me this way. Don't swallow that anvil. Don't marry that iguana. Don't put your daughter on the stage Mrs. Worthington. Don't worship cutlery. Don't piss on my back and tell me it's raining. Don't sleep in the subway, darling. Don't make me come in there. Don't lick that electricity. Don't go breaking my heart. Don't make friends with gravy. Don't laugh at Danger, it can't help it. Don't let the stars get in your pants. Don't let the moon break your nose. Don't be sarcastic with werewolves. Don't you wish your girlfriend was hot like me. Don't elect anybody made of Lego. Don't look now. Don't lend money to celery. Don't swerve for ghosts. Don't flirt with your firing squad. Don't trust anybody over three.
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Aug.04.2012
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vertical line Stop thinking.... just eat watermelon...lol
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Aug.04.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "

Living in the world is like a big dream.
Why so toil yourself to making living?
Just die yourself thoroughly at once one time,
and you will live forever until your next death.

Chontri

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That's beautiful
And, it is totally wrong for anyone who hasn't seen into their true nature
Cause with this life there is suffering, pain ... so you toil to make a living

Ah, the truth comes in many flavors


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Stop thinking.... just eat watermelon....lol
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No thanks. I like my soup.
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Aug.04.2012
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vertical line When you are not thinking your karma cannot arise but when you think again your karma returns. You can experiment on it. 
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Aug.04.2012
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In 1990 I experienced awakening, and died.  Life sure has been better since then.

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Wondering what kind of awakening that is... and what kind of dying that is..
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Aug.04.2012
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When you're not thinking,  you can walk out into the street and get hit by a bus.
Now, that's karma baby ...
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Aug.04.2012
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When you're not thinking,  you can walk out into the street and get hit by a bus.
Now, that's karma baby ...
"
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It is not karma you will go to heaven ahead of the others...lol
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Aug.04.2012
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When you're not thinking,  you can walk out into the street and get hit by a bus.
Now, that's karma baby ...
"
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It is not karma you will go to heaven ahead of the others...lol
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All things that are made from composites are impermanent. There is no soul to go to heaven. No self. No place to abide.
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Aug.04.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "When you are not thinking your karma cannot arise but when you think again your karma returns. You can experiment on it.  "
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When you're not thinking,  you can walk out into the street and get hit by a bus.
Now, that's karma baby ...
"
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It is not karma you will go to heaven ahead of the others...lol
"
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All things that are made from composites are impermanent. There is no soul to go to heaven. No self. No place to abide.
"
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All things are not what you think. Like what you call wood. You label it and put the idea of wood. But is it really wood. Things are just your ideas, what you think. But they are not really what you think or label it.
Like the earth we called it earth. But is it really earth. You see a picture of the Universe the Earth is only an speck of dust. So what are you talking impermanent?
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Aug.04.2012
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Anicca, Dukkha, Anatta ..  the three marks of existence

Impermanence, suffering, non-self

These things were said by the Buddha to be the three marks of existence.
There is no soul. No place to abide.
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Aug.04.2012
11:51PM EDT 
vertical line Are  you sure the Buddha said that?  I head the Buddha rarely opened his mouth.. lol
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Aug.04.2012
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I heard...
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Aug.05.2012
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I heard...
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Google 3 marks of existence or 4 seals of the Buddha Dharma
or just go on youtube.com and look for story and verse about the Bhikkhus.

You don't have to read everything. But, you should know some things.
Sort'a like the middle way ... lol
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Aug.05.2012
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I heard...
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Google 3 marks of existence or 4 seals of the Buddha Dharma
or just go on youtube.com and look for story and verse about the Bhikkhus.

You don't have to read everything. But, you should know some things.
Sort'a like the middle way ... lol
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So can you explain it to us if those three are the marks of existence.
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Aug.05.2012
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No, they can not be explained by me.
But, they can be experienced by you .. if you know how.
See into one's true nature and you can understand for yourself.

Geez, its that Zen stink again.
I'm out of here.
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Aug.05.2012
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No, they can not be explained by me.
But, they can be experienced by you .. if you know how.
See into one's true nature and you can understand for yourself.

Geez, its that Zen stink again.
I'm out of here.
"
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Well how did you experience it then?
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Aug.05.2012
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No, they can not be explained by me.
But, they can be experienced by you .. if you know how.
See into one's true nature and you can understand for yourself.

Geez, its that Zen stink again.
I'm out of here.
"
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Well how did you experience it then?
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You assume to much. I am but a humble man.
No Buddha here. Go away and find him on  your own.
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Aug.05.2012
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Aug.05.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "When you are not thinking your karma cannot arise but when you think again your karma returns. You can experiment on it. 

"
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When you're not thinking,  you can walk out into the street and get hit by a bus.
Now, that's karma baby ...
"
.........

It is not karma you will go to heaven ahead of the others...lol
"
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All things that are made from composites are impermanent. There is no soul to go to heaven. No self. No place to abide.
"
.........

All things are not what you think. Like what you call wood. You label it and put the idea of wood. But is it really wood. Things are just your ideas, what you think. But they are not really what you think or label it.
Like the earth we called it earth. But is it really earth. You see a picture of the Universe the Earth is only an speck of dust. So what are you talking impermanent?
"
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Even the universe will decay and cool into nothingness. There is no permanence. Even the specs on the spec of dust are real in the moment when they are perceived.
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Aug.05.2012
09:10AM EDT 
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Quote: "What was boot camp like?
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I found it strangely relaxing and had no real problems.

There was no need to think.  It was actually prohibited.

We even had some drugs smuggled in, joints in the mail, and Darvons from the Dentists.

But I was an Air Force brat to begin with, and could do hospital corners by age 5.

It was like *old home week to me*.  I recall thinking at the end of it

that the easy part was over and now I would be given a job and would have to go to work.

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Aug.05.2012
09:31AM EDT 
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Aug.05.2012
09:38AM EDT 
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Quote: "What was boot camp like?
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I found it strangely relaxing and had no real problems.


There was no need to think.  It was actually prohibited.


We even had some drugs smuggled in, joints in the mail, and Darvons from the Dentists.


But I was an Air Force brat to begin with, and could do hospital corners by age 5.


It was like *old home week to me*.  I recall thinking at the end of it


that the easy part was over and now I would be given a job and would have to go to work.

"
.........

A darvon? Google says it's another name for methadone, but I thought that was for treating drug addicts. You can get high off that? Or did the term use to mean something else?

Why did you pick the navy over the air force?
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Aug.05.2012
10:01AM EDT 
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Aug.05.2012
11:09AM EDT 
vertical line You asked the question; you answered your own question. I am not arguing any point. And you are still confusing intellect with intelligence. What ego creates is a fabrication of the real. True creativity is a constant participation in the source of creativity's creative process - poetically, the ego disappears with the realisation that I am the flute played on the lips of the divine.
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Aug.05.2012
11:13AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "You asked the question; you answered your own question. I am not arguing any point. And you are still confusing intellect with intelligence. What ego creates is a fabrication of the real. True creativity is a constant participation in the source of creativity's creative process - poetically, the ego disappears with the realisation that I am the flute played on the lips of the divine. "
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cant even concentrate enough to post in the correct forum thread.

enough said.......

focus....cmon now.

you can do it.

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Aug.05.2012
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Aug.05.2012
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When you're not thinking,  you can walk out into the street and get hit by a bus.
Now, that's karma baby ...
"
.........

It is not karma you will go to heaven ahead of the others...lol
"
.........
All things that are made from composites are impermanent. There is no soul to go to heaven. No self. No place to abide.
"
.........

All things are not what you think. Like what you call wood. You label it and put the idea of wood. But is it really wood. Things are just your ideas, what you think. But they are not really what you think or label it.
Like the earth we called it earth. But is it really earth. You see a picture of the Universe the Earth is only an speck of dust. So what are you talking impermanent?
"
.........

Even the universe will decay and cool into nothingness. There is no permanence. Even the specs on the spec of dust are real in the moment when they are perceived.
"
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How did you know that.
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Aug.05.2012
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hmmm....this makes no sense.

attempting to be sly is not good enough for me.

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Aug.05.2012
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Aug.05.2012
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vertical line Quote: "All things that are made from composites are impermanent. There is no soul to go to heaven. No self. No place to abide.
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Even the universe will decay and cool into nothingness. There is no permanence. Even the specs on the spec of dust are real in the moment when they are perceived.
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If you distill it down to essence then it will last ... cause it is "all things made from composites that are impermanent"
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Aug.05.2012
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vertical line Neither as word nor power, neither as mind nor life, neither as essence nor condition, neither as movement nor imagination, neither as surmise nor name, neither as thought nor conception, neither as position nor stability, neither as union nor boundary, neither as infinitude nor all things whatever.
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Aug.05.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "All things that are made from composites are impermanent. There is no soul to go to heaven. No self. No place to abide.
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Even the universe will decay and cool into nothingness. There is no permanence. Even the specs on the spec of dust are real in the moment when they are perceived.
"
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If you distill it down to essence then it will last ... cause it is "all things made from composites that are impermanent"
"
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Who said about the soul and no self. Not me...lol
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "All things that are made from composites are impermanent. There is no soul to go to heaven. No self. No place to abide.
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Even the universe will decay and cool into nothingness. There is no permanence. Even the specs on the spec of dust are real in the moment when they are perceived.
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If you distill it down to essence then it will last ... cause it is "all things made from composites that are impermanent"
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Who said about the soul and no self. Not me...lol
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The soul is a composite of this body and this mind ...
So, therefore, there is no soul that exist.
No soul that transfers from body to body
No soul that survives death

Have you found a soul? ... lol
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Aug.05.2012
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Even the universe will decay and cool into nothingness. There is no permanence. Even the specs on the spec of dust are real in the moment when they are perceived.
"
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If you distill it down to essence then it will last ... cause it is "all things made from composites that are impermanent"
"
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Who said about the soul and no self. Not me...lol
"
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The soul is a composite of this body and this mind ...
So, therefore, there is no soul that exist.
No soul that transfers from body to body
No soul that survives death

Have you found a soul? ... lol
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Who told you that? ...lol
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Aug.05.2012
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Aug.06.2012
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Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "All things that are made from composites are impermanent. There is no soul to go to heaven. No self. No place to abide.
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Even the universe will decay and cool into nothingness. There is no permanence. Even the specs on the spec of dust are real in the moment when they are perceived.
"
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If you distill it down to essence then it will last ... cause it is "all things made from composites that are impermanent"
"
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Who said about the soul and no self. Not me...lol
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The soul is a composite of this body and this mind ...
So, therefore, there is no soul that exist.
No soul that transfers from body to body
No soul that survives death

Have you found a soul? ... lol
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Who told you that? ...lol
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There is only one soul, the original soul, and we all share It.

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vertical line In Zen a soul is never mentioned. So a soul is no concern in Zen.
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You could start one??
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Aug.10.2012
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Quote: "What was boot camp like?
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I found it strangely relaxing and had no real problems.


There was no need to think.  It was actually prohibited.


We even had some drugs smuggled in, joints in the mail, and Darvons from the Dentists.


But I was an Air Force brat to begin with, and could do hospital corners by age 5.


It was like *old home week to me*.  I recall thinking at the end of it


that the easy part was over and now I would be given a job and would have to go to work.

"
.........

A darvon? Google says it's another name for methadone, but I thought that was for treating drug addicts. You can get high off that? Or did the term use to mean something else?

Why did you pick the navy over the air force?
"
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"
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A darvon? Google says it's another name for methadone, but I thought that was for treating drug addicts. You can get high off that? Or did the term use to mean something else?

Why did you pick the navy over the air force?
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I was an Air Force brat, but became interested in the Navy when living in San Diego.  I was only 10 when I decided to join the Navy, about the time we escalled hostilities in Vietnam.  Always thought I would go to Vietnam, but got sent to DC instead.

Some guys in Boot Camp came back from the dentist with Darvons, as pain killers, and passed them around.  I thought they were pretty good. 

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I don't have your insight.
Would you follow me??? Hahaha
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