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As a young monk, he was one of the disciples of the Sixth Patriarch Hui-neng.
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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: LOVE AND SEX
vertical line Posted on Aug.08.2012 @ 07:15AM EDT by starduster

Love and Sex are not the same thing.

Sex is a physical thing, and may even be a commodity, bought and sold.

Money wont buy you love, nor will any other means or currency.  Sex is sometimes used as a currency.

When love and sex coincide, that is really something special.  Beautiful.  Wonderful.  Happiness.


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Aug.08.2012
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Aug.08.2012
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vertical line Just massage your feet and everything will be just groovy groovy.
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Aug.08.2012
07:42AM EDT 
vertical line A marriage made in the fruit of the honeysuckle vine.
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Aug.08.2012
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Aug.08.2012
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vertical line It would be nice to have a little of both when the time is right??
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Aug.08.2012
07:07PM EDT 
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vertical line Play It Safe
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Aug.08.2012
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vertical line Quote: "It would be nice to have a little of both when the time is right??

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The real question is how do you tell? How do you know when it's gotten to that point?
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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.09.2012
06:16AM EDT 
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Reply from starduster
Aug.09.2012
06:34AM EDT 
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Quote: "Quote: "It would be nice to have a little of both when the time is right??

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The real question is how do you tell? How do you know when it's gotten to that point?
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I dont know.

We really only know our own *high water mark*, which is beyond what we knew before.

But is it less than  we will know at sometime in the future ?

So when should you *cash in* and say, *This is it* ?

Probably never. 

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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.09.2012
07:04AM EDT 
vertical line All I want is ... is...
Ho Hum ...
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Aug.09.2012
03:15PM EDT 
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vertical line Love-Life...I Love This Life.
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Aug.09.2012
03:22PM EDT 
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vertical line Hmm, love...
Aimlessness
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Aug.09.2012
03:33PM EDT 
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vertical line Hmm, sex...
Togetherness
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Aug.09.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "It would be nice to have a little of both when the time is right??

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The real question is how do you tell? How do you know when it's gotten to that point?
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When your heart beats faster
When your mind says yes, yes
then the place is now and the time is here
twisted fates and all that is holy
you feel the need for union so much stronger than the desire to remain in control ....

Oh, cough,  I don't know. Its got something to do with love and sex.
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Aug.09.2012
09:13PM EDT 
vertical line All you need is eye contact. Then, you see the gods... both male or female, depending on which life you are currently in.

The sun is our true source of love. Light is heavenly in any darkness.
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Aug.10.2012
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Aug.10.2012
07:41AM EDT 
vertical line Heliotrope dwelling alone with the Alone.
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Aug.10.2012
01:17PM EDT 
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Quote: "All I want is ... is...
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All I want is to go home to the Spirit in the Void....

But thats just me, based on my experiences.

To each their own.

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Aug.10.2012
02:54PM EDT 
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All I want is to go home to the Spirit in the Void....

But thats just me, based on my experiences.

To each their own.

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Isn't  "I want" also a thing that holds us back from the whole experience??
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Aug.12.2012
08:13AM EDT 
vertical line Hey Bub! Hold on a sec and I'll tell you what really goes on.
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Aug.13.2012
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The real question is how do you tell? How do you know when it's gotten to that point?
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The heart is a season, it's wisdom a knowingness, the time arrives through awareness, you rise in love and are pointed directly.
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Aug.14.2012
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All I want is to go home to the Spirit in the Void....

But thats just me, based on my experiences.

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Isn't  "I want" also a thing that holds us back from the whole experience??
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Isn't  "I want" also a thing that holds us back from the whole experience??
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Just after experiencing Nirvana, the Void, I was telling a friend about it and she said, *You have mastered it then*.  I said, *I dont master It, It masters me*.

I thought about that, and later in meditation asked the Spirit about it.  She answered, *You do have mastery, but you dont have control*.

That has been my understanding of my relationship with the Spirit ever since.  The Spirit cares about what I want, but is in control of everything in my existence.

In talking with a priest I would refer to the Spirit as God.  In talking with a psychiatrist I would refer to the Spirit as the subconscious mind.  Either would be equally true.  But to me the Spirit is my eternal companion, my true love, which is equally true.

To each their own.  In you, within you, your own truth is all that should matter to you.  What is true for others, their own truth, cannot bring you happiness.  Only your own truth can do that.

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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.14.2012
11:39AM EDT 
vertical line Loving the rose drives thorns into the heart.
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Aug.14.2012
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vertical line Quote: "To each their own.  In you, within you, your own truth is all that should matter to you.  What is true for others, their own truth, cannot bring you happiness.  Only your own truth can do that."
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Thanks. But, I don't know what the truth is. I'm still looking.
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Aug.14.2012
01:15PM EDT 
vertical line I'm the son of my moment. TFIZG, eh?
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Reply from Antithesis
Aug.14.2012
07:15PM EDT 
vertical line Scratch the itch. All is well in the eternal now. Reject attachment.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.15.2012
05:37AM EDT 
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I am the sun of my moment.
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Aug.15.2012
05:47AM EDT 
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Quote: "Quote: "To each their own.  In you, within you, your own truth is all that should matter to you.  What is true for others, their own truth, cannot bring you happiness.  Only your own truth can do that."
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Thanks. But, I don't know what the truth is. I'm still looking.
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Thanks. But, I don't know what the truth is. I'm still looking.
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After nirvana I was sure I had found The Truth.  But it doesnt stop there.

I dont believe there is a The Truth.  I experienced something I took to be The Truth, and I still accept what I experienced as true, but that doesnt make it The Truth.  In a Universe of endless possibilites how could there be a The Truth ?

There just is what It is being, Things as It is.

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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.15.2012
05:51AM EDT 
vertical line Love and sex and after nirvana - farvana.
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Reply from starduster
Aug.18.2012
06:38AM EDT 
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Quote: "Love and sex and after nirvana - farvana."
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Looking back, it is all so confusing.  I was in the Void before I knew there was a Void, many times, but it wasnt until after nirvana, experiencing being the Void, that I understood where I had been and where I now routinely returned in my meditations.

The Spirit has always been with me, but I have only been conscious of it since 1972, and it has only been since nirvana in 1990 that I have understood who the Spirit is.  I thought I had a guardian angel, but it is much more than that, eternal love and companionship.

The Spirit has shown me love so great that I have had to rise up and walk around, filling my lungs with air to prove to myself I was still alive, and had not actually died and gone to heaven.  And the Spirit promises that I will return to the Void after death to spend an eternity there with her, in an essential *holodeck* of unlimited possibilities.

I hope you fare as well in *farvana*, but thats not my business.  What is between you and the Spirit is between you and the Spirit.  You have to work that out for Yourself.

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Aug.18.2012
06:57AM EDT 
vertical line I release energy through symbols on paths of experiential connection. Nothing to work out.
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Reply from starduster
Aug.19.2012
06:38AM EDT 
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Are you still a shaman then ?

I recall you once posted a picture of a raven on a shield that you had made for esoteric purposes, and told of a book on Shamanism that you had co authored with a well noted person in the field of Shamanism.

Some excepts from your work would no doubt be well received here.

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Aug.19.2012
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Aug.19.2012
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That's got to be a bit messy .. who cleans up afterwards??
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Aug.19.2012
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vertical line You can use it?? No copyright exists??
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Aug.19.2012
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But boymonk would scream bloody murder
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Reply from starduster
Aug.20.2012
06:42AM EDT 
vertical line I release energy through symbols on paths of experiential connection. Nothing to work out.
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Are you still a shaman then ?

I recall you once posted a picture of a raven on a shield that you had made for esoteric purposes, and told of a book on Shamanism that you had co authored with a well noted person in the field of Shamanism.

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I take it that means no and you will not be sharing the text from your book ?

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Aug.21.2012
04:39AM EDT 
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Quote: "I release energy through symbols on paths of experiential connection. Nothing to work out. "
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Privacy is a delusion.

Thanks for your help.

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