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vertical line Posted on Aug.08.2012 @ 11:17AM EDT by shayne
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Aug.08.2012
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Reply from shayne
Aug.08.2012
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vertical line every last man woman and child.

each unique.


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Aug.08.2012
05:44PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "every last man woman and child.

each unique.


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Checks your eyes for the signs ...

Hands palm to palm ... bows
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Reply from shayne
Aug.08.2012
06:24PM EDT 
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vertical line signs bud?

haha.
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Reply from so_teh
Aug.08.2012
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vertical line Unique Story
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Aug.08.2012
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vertical line Quote: "signs bud?

haha.
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See if they are glassy .. means you are high as a kite .. haha
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Reply from shayne
Aug.08.2012
07:12PM EDT 
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vertical line oh yeah.....bad bad.

haha.

gotta watch though. couldnt focus yesterday in work.


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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.08.2012
07:24PM EDT 
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Reply from shayne
Aug.08.2012
07:45PM EDT 
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vertical line yeah i dont actually need to do drugs. im very high naturally.

i couldnt imagine what i would be like if i did smoke pot.

i thought of taking shrooms but id be afraid of having out of body experiences.

dont need to be doing that.

haha.


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Aug.08.2012
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vertical line Quote: "yeah i dont actually need to do drugs. im very high naturally.

i couldnt imagine what i would be like if i did smoke pot.

i thought of taking shrooms but id be afraid of having out of body experiences.

dont need to be doing that.

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I don't recommend doing drugs .. although it might help others to understand that there is something other than this reality. Still, never know how people would react. Better to get there the natural way. Meditate.
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Reply from nibble
Aug.08.2012
09:45PM EDT 
vertical line "COUGH" - "SPLUTTER"


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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.09.2012
06:09AM EDT 
vertical line Mescaline. Ayahuasca-demia. Check Mate in three.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.09.2012
07:12AM EDT 
vertical line Saccharine - just say no.
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Reply from shayne
Aug.09.2012
06:46PM EDT 
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vertical line im totally retarded.

but hey. thats ok.

haha.
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Reply from Woodsman
Aug.09.2012
07:44PM EDT 
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vertical line look at me I'm worse

No don't look at me! Just, just... I forgot.

hi
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Reply from nibble
Aug.09.2012
07:53PM EDT 
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Aug.09.2012
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but hey. thats ok.

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That is actually an requirement for posting here:)
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Reply from nibble
Aug.09.2012
08:03PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Mescaline. Ayahuasca-demia. Check Mate in three."
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Ayahuasca-demia?.. Curious, some kinda tea brewing project that or? And is it like screaming and gaguging out youre eyes trip or more like soothing visuall melow funky trip??:)
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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.09.2012
08:26PM EDT 
vertical line The following collage has been rendered from Fakhruddin 'Iraqi - Divine Flashes, translated by W. Chittick and P. Wilson, 1982 SPCK. The authors of this article profoundly thank the translators for this exquisite work in English, "a close reading of which cannot but bring the reader to the words of 'Araqi himself:

Before this there was one heart
but a thousand thoughts
Now all is reduced to
There is no love but Love."

The poetry that follows is like an exquisite wine, which benefits from being consciously tasted and savoured, with a natural pause between sips.

DIVINE FLASHES (Lama'at) - Fakhruddin 'Araqi

The Morning of Manifestation sighed,
the breeze of Grace breathed gently,
ripples stirred
upon the sea of Generosity.
The clouds of Abundance poured down the rain
upon the soil of preparedness;
so much rain that the earth shone with Light.
The lover, then, nourished with the water of life, awoke from the slumber
of non-existence, put on the cloak of being and tied around his brow the
turban of contemplation; he clinched the belt of desire about his waist
and set forth with the foot of sincerity upon the path of the Search.

The lover desires to see the Beloved with Certainty's Eye, and wanders a bewildered lifetime in this aspiration. Then suddenly with his heart's ear he hears a voice;
"The magic spring
that gives eternal Life,
is in your own heart
but you have blocked the flow."

Then the Eye of Certainty opens, and staring inwardly at himself, the lover finds himself lost, vanished. But ... he finds the Beloved; and when he looks still deeper, realises the Beloved is himself. He exclaims,

"Beloved, I sought you
here and there,
asked for news of you
from all I met;
then saw you through myself
and found we were identical.
Now I blush to think I ever
searched for signs of you."

Everyone with eyes sees just such a vision ... but remains ignorant of what he perceives. Every ant which leaves its nest and goes to the desert will see the sun, but not know what it sees. What irony! Everyone perceives Divine Beauty with Certainty's Eye, for in reality nothing exists but Transcendent Unity;

They look, they see, but do not comprehend.
They take no pleasure in the View,
For to enjoy it one must know
through the Truth of Certainty
What he is seeing,
through Whom, and why.

And so, the lover seeks the Vision in order that he might pass away from existence; he knocks on the door of non-existence, for there he was once at peace. There he was both seer and seen, Both viewer and viewed ... Because nothing in himself. When awakening from that peace and coming to be, he became the veil of his own sight and was deprived of Vision.

Know yourself: a cloud
drifting before your sun.
Cut yourself off from your senses
and behold your sun of intimacy.

If this screen ... which is you ... is struck from before your eyes, the Beloved will find the Beloved, and you will be entirely lost. Then you will say:

"By day I praised You
but never knew it;
by night slept with You
without realising;
fancying myself
to be myself;
but no, I was You
and never knew it."

With the Eye of the Heart the lover now sees ---
The Beloved's Loveliness owns
a hundred thousand faces;
gaze upon a different fair one
in every atom;
for She needs must show
to every separate thing
a different aspect
of Her beauty.
Gazing from every angle
on that precious countenance
in Thy face we see our own ---
hence the infinitude of descriptions.

Thus it is that every lover gives a different sign of the Beloved and every Gnostic a different explanation; every realised one seems to point to something different, yet each of them declares,

"Expressions are many
but Thy loveliness is one;
Each of us refers
to that single Beauty."


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Although apparent phenomena manifest as diversity,
yet this diversity is non-dual.
And of all the multiplicity
of individual things that exist,
none can be confined in a limited concept.
Staying free from the trap of any attempt
to say 'it's like this', or 'like that',
it becomes clear that all manifested forms are
aspects of the infinite formless,
and, indivisible from it,
are self-perfected.
Seeing that everything is self-perfected
from the very beginning,
the disease of striving for any achievement
is surrendered,
and just remaining in the natural state
as it is,
the presence of non-dual contemplation
continuously spontaneously arises.

The Six Vajra Verses
(Quoted in Namkhai Norbu's The Crystal and the Way of Light)
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Aug.10.2012
06:48PM EDT 
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vertical line Thanks for that, Joe.
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Reply from Chryseis
Aug.10.2012
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I love the first verse

I am grateful

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Reply from nibble
Aug.10.2012
07:47PM EDT 
vertical line Hupp, nice
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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.13.2012
09:12AM EDT 
vertical line Bab'Aziz Part 1

Parts 2-9 also uploaded to youtube.

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Reply from starduster
Aug.14.2012
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If I try to tell people what I have experienced in the Void,

I feel like a blind man trying to describe the darkness to a sighted person,

just as a sighted person might try to describe light and color to a blind person, to no avail.

Unless you experience something yourself it remains subjective.

How can I describe an absence of even time and space to someone who knows nothing but these things?

*Its like being without any kind of body, suspended as if in outer space, with nothing in any direction, not even a speck of dust.  Nothing in existence except your own bodiless awareness, and no memory of it ever having been any other way than that.*

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Reply from starduster
Aug.15.2012
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*Nothing in existence except your own bodiless awareness, and no memory of it ever having been any other way than that.*

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Ah, maybe I have stumbled across something I can say about nirvana that may be helpful.

People assume that when they experience nirvana they will be themselves in full possession of their present consciousness, including all of their present knowledge and memories.

But thats how people know they actually experienced nirvana, because they remember it as a personal experience, even though they werent even there when it happened to them.

Thats why I say that when you experience nirvana there is no doubt about it because there is nothing left to doubt, not even yourself, the self you know as you.

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Aug.15.2012
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vertical line Right now, the self I know as me ... is a flow of thoughts that pop up
Some of it is out of memories .. book reading, postings, and newspapers, conversations
Almost none of it is originally from me. But, still I consider it me.
To put my awareness on my breathe and let the flow of thoughts stop by themselves
Well, it almost seems like letting myself die in the process?? I can't let go .. not yet.
The thoughts are like tools by which I create this world.
What happens when it disappears? Do I lose my humanity??
Sounds crazy or deluded?? I think therefore I am ... (do I need to find out who to credit that to?? .. It was René Descartes. Now, I hope he doesn't coma after me and say I plagiarized him.)
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Reply from boymonk
Aug.15.2012
01:36PM EDT 
vertical line Shucks... I do feel special! I do!
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Aug.18.2012
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Quote: "Right now, the self I know as me ... is a flow of thoughts that pop up
Some of it is out of memories .. book reading, postings, and newspapers, conversations
Almost none of it is originally from me. But, still I consider it me.
To put my awareness on my breathe and let the flow of thoughts stop by themselves
Well, it almost seems like letting myself die in the process?? I can't let go .. not yet.
The thoughts are like tools by which I create this world.
What happens when it disappears? Do I lose my humanity??
Sounds crazy or deluded?? I think therefore I am ... (do I need to find out who to credit that to?? .. It was René Descartes. Now, I hope he doesn't coma after me and say I plagiarized him.)
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You dont lose yourself when you find yourself,

You just find out who, or what, you really are,

in this Creative Matrix of Things as It is.

you find out who You are, and then you know who you are.

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Reply from shayne
Aug.18.2012
06:41AM EDT 
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vertical line why is it. i wake up like two minutes after my mom wakes up like every weekend im off from work. shes not loud. i sleep in my own room. wtf.

this has been going on fro awhile now. months.


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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.18.2012
07:01AM EDT 
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Aug.18.2012
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no.

just i wake up.

i wake up and make the coffee for her.

she must use her supposed push powers her and my brother talked about one night. haha. i asked her a bit ago....this morning if she uses her push poop powers and needs to strain like shes pooping and makes me make her coffee for her. hahaha.

so i told her im disobident but ill make the coffee anyway cause i want some. haha


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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.18.2012
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Aug.18.2012
07:25AM EDT 
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haha yeah they talked about how they had push powers for like a hour one night in a obessive/compulsive fashion. haha. and how they can use their minds to alter and affect reality. haha.

well i listened to them. and all they would say is push powers and give examples. never details.

so one night my mom got mad at me and said shes gonna use her push powers on me. i laughed and called her a crazy little old lady.

but anyway they JUST talked about it to impress me and to manipulate cause they THINK i am gulliable. haha.


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Aug.18.2012
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vertical line last night. i went out and me and the boys got something to eat. well the old witch wanted to know where i was going. so i said danville state hospitol. its a mental hospitol. and she said for what. i said im getting registration papers. haha. so she said......you best not be pulling any crap on me. hahahahahah.

guilt she has.....and paranoia.

add that to her list as well.

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Reply from boymonk
Aug.19.2012
03:08AM EDT 
vertical line You really think i'm Special?
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Aug.19.2012
03:31AM EDT 
vertical line So why do you want to be special. Special in what way?
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Aug.19.2012
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Quote: "Right now, the self I know as me ... is a flow of thoughts that pop up
Some of it is out of memories .. book reading, postings, and newspapers, conversations
Almost none of it is originally from me. But, still I consider it me.
To put my awareness on my breathe and let the flow of thoughts stop by themselves
Well, it almost seems like letting myself die in the process?? I can't let go .. not yet.
The thoughts are like tools by which I create this world.
What happens when it disappears? Do I lose my humanity??
Sounds crazy or deluded?? I think therefore I am ... (do I need to find out who to credit that to?? .. It was René Descartes. Now, I hope he doesn't coma after me and say I plagiarized him.)
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You dont lose yourself when you find yourself,

You just find out who, or what, you really are,

in this Creative Matrix of Things as It is.

you find out who You are, and then you know who you are.

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As I am now, my self is so invested in the ego and all the thoughts that follow.
When the flow of thoughts slow, I feel this self with the thoughts is slowly disappearing. I don't see another side or my real self anywhere. So then I ask myself what was I before I was born ... and there is no answer. It is just quiet ... emptiness.
And then the thoughts quickly flow again.
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Aug.19.2012
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Aug.20.2012
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Quote: "Right now, the self I know as me ... is a flow of thoughts that pop up
Some of it is out of memories .. book reading, postings, and newspapers, conversations
Almost none of it is originally from me. But, still I consider it me.
To put my awareness on my breathe and let the flow of thoughts stop by themselves
Well, it almost seems like letting myself die in the process?? I can't let go .. not yet.
The thoughts are like tools by which I create this world.
What happens when it disappears? Do I lose my humanity??
Sounds crazy or deluded?? I think therefore I am ... (do I need to find out who to credit that to?? .. It was René Descartes. Now, I hope he doesn't coma after me and say I plagiarized him.)
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You dont lose yourself when you find yourself,

You just find out who, or what, you really are,

in this Creative Matrix of Things as It is.

you find out who You are, and then you know who you are.

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As I am now, my self is so invested in the ego and all the thoughts that follow.
When the flow of thoughts slow, I feel this self with the thoughts is slowly disappearing. I don't see another side or my real self anywhere. So then I ask myself what was I before I was born ... and there is no answer. It is just quiet ... emptiness.
And then the thoughts quickly flow again.
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As I am now, my self is so invested in the ego and all the thoughts that follow.
When the flow of thoughts slow, I feel this self with the thoughts is slowly disappearing. I don't see another side or my real self anywhere. So then I ask myself what was I before I was born ... and there is no answer. It is just quiet ... emptiness.
And then the thoughts quickly flow again.
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Delusion is the greatest gift.  Thats what is lost when you find yourself, when you find out who You really are.  The you that You gave Yourself is then uncovered, seen for what it is, and isnt. 

I laugh that now that I am older, and cant remember where I put things, I am finally old enough to hide things from myself.

I dont know anyone who is awakened who would rather not be.  None who would reverse the process if they could.  And none who do not see awakening as a sort of death because they have been stripped of the delusion of who they thought they were.

Maybe that is why not everyone survives awakening.  It took years of meditation before awakening, but if I hadnt had that preparation I probably would not have survived it.

You are something you have hidden from yourself. 

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Aug.21.2012
10:41AM EDT 
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yes. we all are.


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Aug.21.2012
10:43AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "So why do you want to be special. Special in what way? "
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your special too. you cant let go of your attached belief in no thinking.

thats how your special.


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Aug.21.2012
10:50AM EDT 
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vertical line thats damn good deluded conviction i must say. you gotta fortatude. hahahhhahaha.


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