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vertical line Posted on Aug.09.2012 @ 10:26PM EDT by questioner
So, I live in a small Florida town. The closest place to associate and meditate with others, in a Zen sort of way, is over 50 miles away. I have books, the Internet, my cushion. I have a full time job. How will I find "my" sangha?
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Reply from Woodsman
Aug.09.2012
11:38PM EDT 
vertical line Begin with being in nature, and as you sit openly others will come join you to share in the beauty held as in a beginning way into unity consciousness. But there is also a struggle going on, until we match nature with ourselves and see one's self in every touch, turn, and seated bliss - nothing in every hand to take, but only give in the light of loving acceptance. 
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Reply from Avisitor
Aug.10.2012
12:24AM EDT 
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vertical line Always begin where you are.

If you have questions then you can always come here to ask or go to another website.
Zenforuminternational.org is a much more formal space for help. They may be able to find you a center near you.

Anyway, just start where you are now. Join this community of like minded people.
Discuss any issues you have and set your schedule to do Zazen.

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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.10.2012
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Reply from floating_a
Aug.11.2012
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vertical line So, I live in a small Florida town. The closest place to associate and meditate with others, in a Zen sort of way, is over 50 miles away. I have books, the Internet, my cushion. I have a full time job. How will I find "my" sangha?

If you practice, you will be able to distinguish the true meaning of Sangha. Then, you will also know you have found it.

Be careful of the conservators and dictators at ZFI but trust the words of the Buddha. Best wishes,

Abu
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Aug.11.2012
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vertical line Quote: "So, I live in a small Florida town. The closest place to associate and meditate with others, in a Zen sort of way, is over 50 miles away. I have books, the Internet, my cushion. I have a full time job. How will I find "my" sangha?

If you practice, you will be able to distinguish the true meaning of Sangha. Then, you will also know you have found it.

Be careful of the conservators and dictators at ZFI but trust the words of the Buddha. Best wishes,

Abu
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Yeah, I know what you mean about ZFI.
But, it is a resource.
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Reply from boymonk
Aug.12.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Begin with being in nature, and as you sit openly others will come join you to share in the beauty held as in a beginning way into unity consciousness. But there is also a struggle going on, until we match nature with ourselves and see one's self in every touch, turn, and seated bliss - nothing in every hand to take, but only give in the light of loving acceptance.  "
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Have you ever tried sitting with a group of squirrels? They try to steal your nuts!
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Aug.12.2012
08:11PM EDT 
vertical line I was talking about ZFI, by the way.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.12.2012
08:39PM EDT 
vertical line I no see dem no get nuttin'!
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Aug.13.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Begin with being in nature, and as you sit openly others will come join you to share in the beauty held as in a beginning way into unity consciousness. But there is also a struggle going on, until we match nature with ourselves and see one's self in every touch, turn, and seated bliss - nothing in every hand to take, but only give in the light of loving acceptance.  "
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Have you ever tried sitting with a group of squirrels? They try to steal your nuts!

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I was talking about ZFI, by the way.
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Have you taken nuts over to ZFI??
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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.13.2012
06:35AM EDT 
vertical line Check ya nuts. Eat one now. Save one for winter.
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Aug.13.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Begin with being in nature, and as you sit openly others will come join you to share in the beauty held as in a beginning way into unity consciousness. But there is also a struggle going on, until we match nature with ourselves and see one's self in every touch, turn, and seated bliss - nothing in every hand to take, but only give in the light of loving acceptance.  "
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Have you ever tried sitting with a group of squirrels? They try to steal your nuts!

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I was talking about ZFI, by the way.
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Have you taken nuts over to ZFI??
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Why yes, of course I have, good SIr. I've offered nuts, berries, twigs, biscuit shaped cow dung, and strawberry blood. I've offered, to make a long list short, GREED, IGNORANCE & HATE, but they have an aversion to such things. It's like poison to them. Funny, aye?
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Aug.13.2012
03:11PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Begin with being in nature, and as you sit openly others will come join you to share in the beauty held as in a beginning way into unity consciousness. But there is also a struggle going on, until we match nature with ourselves and see one's self in every touch, turn, and seated bliss - nothing in every hand to take, but only give in the light of loving acceptance.  "
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Have you ever tried sitting with a group of squirrels? They try to steal your nuts!

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Have you taken nuts over to ZFI??
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Why yes, of course I have, good SIr. I've offered nuts, berries, twigs, biscuit shaped cow dung, and strawberry blood. I've offered, to make a long list short, GREED, IGNORANCE & HATE, but they have an aversion to such things. It's like poison to them. Funny, aye?
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I guess what you put in .. is what you get out.
I use them as a resource to answer questions I may have.
Sometimes It is quite fascinating how they pat each other on the back
Then there are the times when they bite and scratch like cats and dogs during a fight.
And, yet, I still manage to learn.
Yeah, funny.
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Aug.13.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Begin with being in nature, and as you sit openly others will come join you to share in the beauty held as in a beginning way into unity consciousness. But there is also a struggle going on, until we match nature with ourselves and see one's self in every touch, turn, and seated bliss - nothing in every hand to take, but only give in the light of loving acceptance.  "
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Have you ever tried sitting with a group of squirrels? They try to steal your nuts!

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I was talking about ZFI, by the way.
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Have you taken nuts over to ZFI??
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Why yes, of course I have, good SIr. I've offered nuts, berries, twigs, biscuit shaped cow dung, and strawberry blood. I've offered, to make a long list short, GREED, IGNORANCE & HATE, but they have an aversion to such things. It's like poison to them. Funny, aye?
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I guess what you put in .. is what you get out.
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Yes indeed, and endless resource of greed, ignorance and hate.
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Aug.13.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Begin with being in nature, and as you sit openly others will come join you to share in the beauty held as in a beginning way into unity consciousness. But there is also a struggle going on, until we match nature with ourselves and see one's self in every touch, turn, and seated bliss - nothing in every hand to take, but only give in the light of loving acceptance.  "
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Have you ever tried sitting with a group of squirrels? They try to steal your nuts!
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Spiders and gnats fascinate me. Am I nuts? Wait a minute. Where did they, us, we, them and it go?

Oh there they are, down below, as up above, feet, ankles, calves, knees, seat, tweet tweet, to eats. Or not two eat eats, just one, number. 11
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Aug.13.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Begin with being in nature, and as you sit openly others will come join you to share in the beauty held as in a beginning way into unity consciousness. But there is also a struggle going on, until we match nature with ourselves and see one's self in every touch, turn, and seated bliss - nothing in every hand to take, but only give in the light of loving acceptance.  "
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Have you ever tried sitting with a group of squirrels? They try to steal your nuts!

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Have you taken nuts over to ZFI??
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Why yes, of course I have, good SIr. I've offered nuts, berries, twigs, biscuit shaped cow dung, and strawberry blood. I've offered, to make a long list short, GREED, IGNORANCE & HATE, but they have an aversion to such things. It's like poison to them. Funny, aye?
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I guess what you put in .. is what you get out.
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Yes indeed, and endless resource of greed, ignorance and hate.
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Is that what you put in??
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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.13.2012
06:44PM EDT 
vertical line Other people eh?
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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.13.2012
07:26PM EDT 
vertical line You give 'em nuts and they try to steal your nuts.
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Aug.13.2012
08:03PM EDT 
vertical line -Did you ever talk to bullfrogs in the middle of the night?
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-Do you know what I used to do?
-What did you used do, Man?
-Well I tell you what I didn't used to do, I didn't used to talk to bullfrogs in the middle of the night!
-You're out of your mind!
-That's right.
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Reply from Woodsman
Aug.13.2012
08:18PM EDT 
vertical line In the middle between knowing and ____?
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Aug.14.2012
04:30AM EDT 
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Quote: "Quote: "Begin with being in nature, and as you sit openly others will come join you to share in the beauty held as in a beginning way into unity consciousness. But there is also a struggle going on, until we match nature with ourselves and see one's self in every touch, turn, and seated bliss - nothing in every hand to take, but only give in the light of loving acceptance.  "
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Have you ever tried sitting with a group of squirrels? They try to steal your nuts!
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Once on a bivuac, during camoflage drill, a soldier came running into camp, dressed as a tree.  The First Sargeant began to dress him down, *Smith, wtf are you doing here?  You were stationed as a look out in the woods !*

Smith answered, *Sarge, I know.  When the bear rubbed up against me, to scratch himself, I stood fast.  And when the wolf hiked a leg and peed on me, I didnt move.  But when those two squirrels got in through the hole in my trunk, and I heard one say to the other, *lets eat one now and save the other for later*, that was it and I took off running !!*

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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.14.2012
07:04AM EDT 
vertical line So anyway, I decided to look into ZFI myself to see what all the fuss is about. What can I say? Vanity of vanities. All is vanity.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.14.2012
07:48AM EDT 
vertical line Whoa, there are postings over there almost as long as Shai-Hulud, extolling the virtues of not reading.
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Aug.14.2012
12:56PM EDT 
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vertical line I look upon ZFI as a resource.
It provides a different environment and view point.
I put in an open mind and I get understanding ... hahaha
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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.14.2012
01:13PM EDT 
vertical line Show, don't tell. hahaha
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Reply from boymonk
Aug.14.2012
05:08PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "I look upon ZFI as a resource.
It provides a different environment and view point.
I put in an open mind and I get understanding ... hahaha
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YOU PUT IN PLAGIARIZED STUFF!!
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Reply from boymonk
Aug.14.2012
05:15PM EDT 
vertical line Don't lye.
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Aug.14.2012
06:13PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "I look upon ZFI as a resource.
It provides a different environment and view point.
I put in an open mind and I get understanding ... hahaha
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YOU PUT IN PLAGIARIZED STUFF!!
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It is not word for word. I rewrote it to fit my understanding.
But, the idea rings so true. I had to use it.
Still, I put in good stuff. And, I get good stuff out.

What is it that you put out??
What is it that you get in return??
Where is all this anger coming from??
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Reply from Avisitor
Aug.14.2012
06:31PM EDT 
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vertical line You're right. I should have given Riverstone credit.
What he says .. does have that feeling of truth!!
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Aug.14.2012
06:54PM EDT 
vertical line LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Aug.14.2012
06:57PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "
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picking? finding fault with everything he says? this isnt truth. come pick on me child. i dare you little one. haha.


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Aug.14.2012
07:02PM EDT 
vertical line PLAGIARIZERS!!
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Aug.14.2012
07:03PM EDT 
vertical line Don't use LYE!
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Aug.14.2012
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Aug.14.2012
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Aug.14.2012
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Aug.14.2012
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vertical line HELLO?!
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Aug.14.2012
07:06PM EDT 
vertical line Jello?
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Aug.14.2012
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vertical line Pickle pudding?
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Aug.14.2012
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Aug.14.2012
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Aug.14.2012
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vertical line You're too slow old man. I quit.
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Aug.14.2012
07:25PM EDT 
vertical line So, so, don`t be so hard on him. I`m sure he`ll ask riverstone for forgiveness now and also apologise in public to all readers of whatever postings he made. And thus in a few years time everybody will have forgotten about this outrageouse scandal so he can start his life over again.
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Aug.14.2012
07:34PM EDT 
vertical line Asking for forgiveness now, and a sincere apology would be a good start. We shall see if Avisitor does the honorable thing. I grow weary of the excuses and rationalizations. 
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Aug.14.2012
08:22PM EDT 
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good keep doing that.


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Aug.14.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Asking for forgiveness now, and a sincere apology would be a good start. We shall see if Avisitor does the honorable thing. I grow weary of the excuses and rationalizations.  "
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hmmm.

for all your postings. i have yet to see anything useful.

haha.


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Aug.14.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Asking for forgiveness now, and a sincere apology would be a good start. We shall see if Avisitor does the honorable thing. I grow weary of the excuses and rationalizations.  "
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I did apologize to Riverstone who authored the post which I copied.
I even told him that his post was inspiring.
Cause it rung true to me.

Why do you hold so much anger??
Did I offend you with ...you get out what you put in??
You put all this hostility towards me .. what do you expect back??
You give crap ... what do you expect back??

What is it that you want??
Do you want me to apologize to you too??
Okay, I'm sorry I ever said anything to you.

Oh, what excuses did I use and what rationalization??
Now, you are just making things up.
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Aug.14.2012
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hmmm.

for all your postings. i have yet to see anything useful.

haha.


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Don't lye ... Use soap! Ah aha ha ha ha haaaaaa .. .
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Aug.14.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Asking for forgiveness now, and a sincere apology would be a good start. We shall see if Avisitor does the honorable thing. I grow weary of the excuses and rationalizations. 

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I did apologize to Riverstone who authored the post which I copied.
I even told him that his post was inspiring.
Cause it rung true to me.

Why do you hold so much anger??
Did I offend you with ...you get out what you put in??
You put all this hostility towards me .. what do you expect back??
You give crap ... what do you expect back??

What is it that you want??
Do you want me to apologize to you too??
Okay, I'm sorry I ever said anything to you.

Oh, what excuses did I use and what rationalization??
Now, you are just making things up.
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Use lye, or I wash your mouth out with soap. HA!
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Aug.14.2012
10:15PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Asking for forgiveness now, and a sincere apology would be a good start. We shall see if Avisitor does the honorable thing. I grow weary of the excuses and rationalizations. 

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I did apologize to Riverstone who authored the post which I copied.
I even told him that his post was inspiring.
Cause it rung true to me.

Why do you hold so much anger??
Did I offend you with ...you get out what you put in??
You put all this hostility towards me .. what do you expect back??
You give crap ... what do you expect back??

What is it that you want??
Do you want me to apologize to you too??
Okay, I'm sorry I ever said anything to you.

Oh, what excuses did I use and what rationalization??
Now, you are just making things up.
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Use lye, or I wash your mouth out with soap. HA!
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Wow, angry much?? ... hahaha
You know that you can't make me feel guilt.
His words were inspiring and I used them
I made an error in not citing Riverstone as the source at first
I have apologized to him and corrected that
He said,

Sent: Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:18 pm
by Riverstone

"I was not kidding, I really am honored that you were inspired by my words. "


I see in him what I wish for myself.

You on the other hand are a downer.
You have a little knowledge and lots of pride.
You don't know humility or compassion
You wish only to prove yourself better than others

Amazing to have found the different ends of the spectrum here ...hahaha
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Aug.14.2012
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Aug.14.2012
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vertical line Oh, I would like to say that I apologize to anyone who may have been offended by my actions. While I was doing it, I knew something was wrong. Then, when it finally came back to be, wow ... such anger from boymonk. You would think I brought down the the presidency or murdered someone ... Hahaha.

Still, I was wrong and really am sorry for the commotion I made here.
I took Riverstone's post about emptiness and used it to describe Buddha nature.
Now, he asked me if I believe them to be the same. For now, I do. I don't have the actualization yet .. so it is easier for me to lump it together for now.
Again my apologies .. truly sorry.
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Aug.14.2012
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vertical line Did you think that you could fool us, Avisitor? I think you will find that we are not so easy as to not be fooled!

Don't ever try to steal Riverstones words again, or there will be hell to pay! You have already wrought incalculable bad karma upon yourself. Do not dare to make it worse!
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Aug.14.2012
11:12PM EDT 
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Aug.14.2012
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Don't ever try to steal Riverstones words again, or there will be hell to pay! You have already wrought incalculable bad karma upon yourself. Do not dare to make it worse!
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The only bad Karma to come out if this is that I have made remarks about you.
That will unwittingly link your anger to my future life. But, the resulting actions can't be worse than to suffer a fart in an elevator going up to the 40th floor without any stops in between. Hahaha

There is good that came from this. I'll just let you figure that out ... after you get over your anger.
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Aug.15.2012
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Aug.15.2012
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Aug.15.2012
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Aug.15.2012
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vertical line Okay I give up. You win Avisitor.
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Aug.15.2012
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TANZAN AND THE GIRL ON THE ROAD
Tanzan and Ekido were once traveling together down a muddy road. A heavy rain was still falling.

Coming around a bend, they met a lovely girl in a silk kimono and sash, unable to cross the intersection.

"Come on, girl" said Tanzan at once. Lifting her in his arms, he carried her over the mud.

Ekido did not speak again until that night when they reached a lodging temple. Then he no longer could restrain himself. "We monks don't go near females," he told Tanzan, "especially not young and lovely ones. It is dangerous. Why did you do that?"

"I left the girl there," said Tanzan. "Are you still carrying her?"

Muju


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My question to you is, "Are you still carrying this thing around?"
You have become like monkey with his hand on the candy which is inside a jar.
He can't get his hand out of the jar to get the candy because he can't let go of the candy. The monkey wants the candy so much that he won't let go of it. And so he will not get the candy. The more you want it the more you can't have it. Learn to let go. Then, you may actually get what you really want.
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Aug.15.2012
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And, what would my promise mean to you??
You have no idea what kind of person I am
So the promise is meaningless.

Stop being so manipulative
Stop trying to be so much better than everyone
And let go of the candy already ... hahaha
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Aug.15.2012
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Aug.15.2012
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You just can't let it go ... can you?
It is interesting cause you have shown your true nature
It is one which is petty and full of jealousy and pride
Not saying you're a bad person nor good person
Just that you have more to work on than some others here.

I have learned a few things during my time here.
This one not being the biggest.
All things change ... that is the only thing that seems to be consistent
I hope you change and find your way.

The promise is already made. And has been violated.
And, the promise is made again ... hahaha
Change??
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You stole again? What did you steal this time?
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Aug.15.2012
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Aug.15.2012
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Hahaha, you really can't let go.
the boymonk is actually monkey brain

Sorry, you don't understand. This is not the first transgression
and probably won't be the last .. no matter how I try not to do it.
I sometimes read things which are truly good and wish to pass it on.
Sadly, I don't always give credit where credit is due.
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Hahaha, you really can't let go.
the boymonk is actually monkey brain

Sorry, you don't understand. This is not the first transgression
and probably won't be the last .. no matter how I try not to do it.
I sometimes read things which are truly good and wish to pass it on.
Sadly, I don't always give credit where credit is due.
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You can always reform yourself. It's not too late. It's never too late...
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Aug.15.2012
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And, this is where Zen comes in ... Change!!
Can you change??
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Yes, good, but change FOR THE BETTER. DON'T STEAL!
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Aug.15.2012
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Like a dog with a bone or the monkey with his hand stuck in the jar ..
You just won't let go.  That means our Karma will be stuck together.
I will undoubtedly have you to torture me through out my existences unless I can free myself from the cycle of death and birth.
Thanks for the impetus to break free... hahaha
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vertical line no, my teaching is opensource. That means it is free for anyone to try or buy.
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vertical line If it's free no one can steal it. <-- new teaching.
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you need more? haha.

oh well. so we are all nuts.

you do know your own mind correct?

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ok just let me know when then?

haha.
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run on for a long time.

sooner or later gods gonna cut me down.


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Avisitor is the stealer person. Watch his hands closely.
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Avisitor is the stealer person. Watch his hands closely.
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See?? Once you got a record, it follows you everywhere.
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But not too close. I need to breath the fresh air and feel the open spaces that abound in the unborn reality of thusnesses. :)
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boymonk and avisitor were posting on the forum,

a heavy exchange was going on.

Coming down from a bender was Shayne sick with mono and unable to cross infect.

'Come on girl,'  boymonk said to avisitor, 'lifting muddy riverstones is dirty!'

avisitor said, 'well I've basically got lodgings at the temple, and another thing....we monks don't go near candy jars - especially ones with nice slim necks - it's dangerous, so why do you do that?'

'Oh, I'm over the candy jar thing'  said boymonk to avisitor, 'but you're still clutching that riverstone'

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Coming down from a bender was Shayne sick with avisitor riverstones, dirty!'"

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Hahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahaha!
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Aug.15.2012
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vertical line Please forgive me but I don't remember where I heard this story
But, it is an interesting story. Please read:

Monks, of the past, would travel and sometimes stay overnight at a monastery.
But, normally before permission to stay was granted, there would be a duel on the Merits of Buddhism.

One night two monks stopped by wishing to stay over night. The abbot asked that they wait in the room while he got someone to help them.  The only person available was a person who was slow and had lost one eye when he was younger. The abbot sent him to help the travelers.

The young man, upon entering the room, bowed to the two monks.
The monks stood and bow back. And then, one of them put one finger up. The young man put two fingers up. The two monks bowed and walked out.

The abbot seeing the two monks leaving asked what had happened. The monk said that during their duel he held up one finger to represent the one true teachings of Buddha. The young man then put up two fingers to show the dualistic mind. So, they said that after losing that they must leave.

The abbot then went to the young man who was running after the two monk. Asked the young man what had happened. The young man said that no sooner than he had walked into the room the monk was rude and pointed out that he only had one eye. He lifted two fingers to compliment the monk on having to eyes. Then they got up and left. The young man said he was so angry that he was going to beat them up.

You can take it anyway you want .. I just wanted to share that story. Sorry, don't remember who to give credit to ....???
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Aug.15.2012
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Aug.16.2012
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vertical line Very well Avisotor, I will tell the story.

PART I
There sits a small village in a desolate land West of the Atlantic. The village, long self-regarded as an international community even though all inhabitants are “Westers,” with the exception of one expatriot known as the Chris, has from the beginning been in the grips of a blight. Villagers have long know the cause for this blight. It is simple to deduce. All one needs to know is that a man, or a woman, can’t live on old mushy astringent pickles. Old mushy astringent pickles are the only form of sustenance allowed in the village. It’s an OMAP monoculture. OMAPs are served for breakfast, lunch, dinner, and even desert. When a visitors learns that OMAPs are the only food allowed they move on, or worse, they swallow the OMAPs and by decree, smile while swallowing. Needless to say the population is small and growing smaller with each passing day.

One day an underground profit arose with an insight. A savior would come. A messiah from the East would come with a new kind of sustenance. His voice would ring out over the overlords, drowning out their bitter fruits (OMAPs). This liberator would be known by the name Riverstone.

The prophesy came true and Riverstone arrived at the village. There were not many left to greet him, but the few that remained noticed someone else. A visitor, who’s name is unknown, arrived the same day as Riverstone. When Riverstone was first offered a OMAP he laughed. He laughed so loud the earth shook. The great shaking was like an earthquake and in fact registered 9.873 on the richter scale. All the pickle jars on all the shelves in the village came crashing down, breaking into a million peaces. The villagers roared with glee. Riverstone the magnificent, they praised him.

Now, while all of this was happening the other visitor, who shall remain nameless, watched Riverstone with jealousy. What was so special about Riverstone, the visitor thought to himself. I can laugh loud too, he thought. Maybe not as loud as Riverstone but still, pretty loud. So the visitor hatched a plan, and it was a good plan, if rather unscrupulous.

Meanwhile, Riverstone had become good friends with a young monk from a neighboring village. This boy monk knew that there would be some who would covet the love and affections Riverstone had engendered. He also knew of an obscure prophesy that a visitor would betray Riverstone in a clandestine attempt to steal his glory. The boy monk sent a private message to warn Riverstone.

THE END
OF PART I
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PART I
There sits a small village in a desolate land West of the Atlantic. The village, long self-regarded as an international community even though all inhabitants are “Westers,” with the exception of one expatriot known as the Chris, has from the beginning been in the grips of a blight. Villagers have long know the cause for this blight. It is simple to deduce. All one needs to know is that a man, or a woman, can’t live on old mushy astringent pickles. Old mushy astringent pickles are the only form of sustenance allowed in the village. It’s an OMAP monoculture. OMAPs are served for breakfast, lunch, dinner, and even desert. When a visitors learns that OMAPs are the only food allowed they move on, or worse, they swallow the OMAPs and by decree, smile while swallowing. Needless to say the population is small and growing smaller with each passing day.

One day an underground profit arose with an insight. A savior would come. A messiah from the East would come with a new kind of sustenance. His voice would ring out over the overlords, drowning out their bitter fruits (OMAPs). This liberator would be known by the name Riverstone.

The prophesy came true and Riverstone arrived at the village. There were not many left to greet him, but the few that remained noticed someone else. A visitor, who’s name is unknown, arrived the same day as Riverstone. When Riverstone was first offered a OMAP he laughed. He laughed so loud the earth shook. The great shaking was like an earthquake and in fact registered 9.873 on the richter scale. All the pickle jars on all the shelves in the village came crashing down, breaking into a million peaces. The villagers roared with glee. Riverstone the magnificent, they praised him.

Now, while all of this was happening the other visitor, who shall remain nameless, watched Riverstone with jealousy. What was so special about Riverstone, the visitor thought to himself. I can laugh loud too, he thought. Maybe not as loud as Riverstone but still, pretty loud. So the visitor hatched a plan, and it was a good plan, if rather unscrupulous.

Meanwhile, Riverstone had become good friends with a young monk from a neighboring village. This boy monk knew that there would be some who would covet the love and affections Riverstone had engendered. He also knew of an obscure prophesy that a visitor would betray Riverstone in a clandestine attempt to steal his glory. The boy monk sent a private message to warn Riverstone.

THE END
OF PART I
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hmmm....

plagerism at its heart is flattery.

boymonk......concentrate on something else.

ya know.....the mind.

the attention.

mountain out of a mole hill?

overexageratting?

melodramatic?

the list goes on and on and on.

guard yourself.

i see you.




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oh i understand now. wow. your wise. i cant argue with logic like this.

haha.


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oh i understand now. wow. your wise. i cant argue with logic like this.

haha.


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Oh My God, I am starting to feel murderous tendencies ...oh, nooooo


Hahahaha
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Quote: "Quote: "Very well Avisotor, I will tell the story.

PART I
There sits a small village in a desolate land West of the Atlantic. The village, long self-regarded as an international community even though all inhabitants are “Westers,” with the exception of one expatriot known as the Chris, has from the beginning been in the grips of a blight. Villagers have long know the cause for this blight. It is simple to deduce. All one needs to know is that a man, or a woman, can’t live on old mushy astringent pickles. Old mushy astringent pickles are the only form of sustenance allowed in the village. It’s an OMAP monoculture. OMAPs are served for breakfast, lunch, dinner, and even desert. When a visitors learns that OMAPs are the only food allowed they move on, or worse, they swallow the OMAPs and by decree, smile while swallowing. Needless to say the population is small and growing smaller with each passing day.

One day an underground profit arose with an insight. A savior would come. A messiah from the East would come with a new kind of sustenance. His voice would ring out over the overlords, drowning out their bitter fruits (OMAPs). This liberator would be known by the name Riverstone.

The prophesy came true and Riverstone arrived at the village. There were not many left to greet him, but the few that remained noticed someone else. A visitor, who’s name is unknown, arrived the same day as Riverstone. When Riverstone was first offered a OMAP he laughed. He laughed so loud the earth shook. The great shaking was like an earthquake and in fact registered 9.873 on the richter scale. All the pickle jars on all the shelves in the village came crashing down, breaking into a million peaces. The villagers roared with glee. Riverstone the magnificent, they praised him.

Now, while all of this was happening the other visitor, who shall remain nameless, watched Riverstone with jealousy. What was so special about Riverstone, the visitor thought to himself. I can laugh loud too, he thought. Maybe not as loud as Riverstone but still, pretty loud. So the visitor hatched a plan, and it was a good plan, if rather unscrupulous.

Meanwhile, Riverstone had become good friends with a young monk from a neighboring village. This boy monk knew that there would be some who would covet the love and affections Riverstone had engendered. He also knew of an obscure prophesy that a visitor would betray Riverstone in a clandestine attempt to steal his glory. The boy monk sent a private message to warn Riverstone.

THE END
OF PART I
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hmmm....

plagerism at its heart is flattery.

boymonk......concentrate on something else.

ya know.....the mind.

the attention.

mountain out of a mole hill?

overexageratting?

melodramatic?

the list goes on and on and on.

guard yourself.

i see you.




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so...I'm trying to keep up here...have you go one finger up or two?

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huh?


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oh i understand now. wow. your wise. i cant argue with logic like this.

haha.


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Oh My God, I am starting to feel murderous tendencies ...oh, nooooo


Hahahaha
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STOP THE GENOCIDE   -   FREE TIBET

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it's been several days. I dont really hang out on message boards like I used to, and some of the "answers" here are why. I'm actually embarrassed that my question was used to launch playtime for you kids out there, and also sexual comments. I think I was looking for Stargazer or whatever his name is - the clearly older person who posts on here alot.

Anyway, I'm a mature person myself - and I really already had the answer when I asked - I just keep on doing the next thing to do, including meditation, prayer, learning to love without attachment.  People will come when they come, not as fast and furious as when I was 25, 45, or even 55, but at exactly the right time and exactly the right place in time.

Thanks for the first few answers - -- well thanks for all of them since teh whole thread forced me to see what was already there.

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Disaster averted. Riverstone confronted a visitor about his betrayal before either of their reputations were irrevocably undone. The confrontation took its toll on a visitor however, he became despondent and withdrew from the villagers. There was a woman who noticed how sad and pathetic a visitors condition was and took pity on him. She followed him to the shack where he was staying on the edge of the village. She's peered into the window of the shack and watched as he swallowed OMAPs. That's how bad it was. She kept watching, there was something oddly erotic about watching him this way. After a while she could no longer control herself and walked over to the door and began knocking.

A visitor heard the knocking and immediately went to the door. “Yes,” he said after opening the door. “Hey, I know you. Didn’t I see you with Riverstone the other night?”

The woman didn't say anything, she simply walked into the shack while undressing. A visitor followed.

Meanwhile, the confrontation with a visitor also took its toll on Riverstone and he too took solace in swallowing many OMAPs. He consumed so many that his abdomen was visibly protruding. But the OMAPs changed him in more ways than was visible. A darkness came over his soul. He began thinking about a visitor and the betrayal. How could a visitor have been so selfish, he thought. He began to think much darker thoughts, too dark to mention. And when he could no longer control himself he decided that something needed to be done. No more words. Words would not accomplish anything. He had to do something, something awful.

He set out for the shack where a visitor was staying.

THE END of part II
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Sexy.

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Aug.17.2012
03:25AM EDT 
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I feel used, and slightly turned-on.

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Reply from Avisitor
Aug.17.2012
03:56AM EDT 
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huh?


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I left the story in an earlier posts.
Please read it. I think it is funny.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.17.2012
05:51AM EDT 
vertical line Then you carted it over here.
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Reply from boymonk
Aug.17.2012
03:31PM EDT 
vertical line Should have left it by the river. [puts hand on lap]
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Reply from Avisitor
Aug.18.2012
12:31AM EDT 
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Who said that??
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Reply from Chryseis
Aug.18.2012
03:57AM EDT 
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Quote: "Blaming others for our misfortunes is always a victory for EGO."
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oh that'd be right...blame it on EGO.......hypocrite

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Reply from Chryseis
Aug.18.2012
04:42AM EDT 
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Quote: "PART II - Riverstone’s Revenge
Disaster averted. Riverstone confronted a visitor about his betrayal before either of their reputations were irrevocably undone. The confrontation took its toll on a visitor however, he became despondent and withdrew from the villagers. There was a woman who noticed how sad and pathetic a visitors condition was and took pity on him. She followed him to the shack where he was staying on the edge of the village. She&apos;s peered into the window of the shack and watched as he swallowed OMAPs. That&apos;s how bad it was. She kept watching, there was something oddly erotic about watching him this way. After a while she could no longer control herself and walked over to the door and began knocking.

A visitor heard the knocking and immediately went to the door. “Yes,” he said after opening the door. “Hey, I know you. Didn’t I see you with Riverstone the other night?”

The woman didn&apos;t say anything, she simply walked into the shack while undressing. A visitor followed.

Meanwhile, the confrontation with a visitor also took its toll on Riverstone and he too took solace in swallowing many OMAPs. He consumed so many that his abdomen was visibly protruding. But the OMAPs changed him in more ways than was visible. A darkness came over his soul. He began thinking about a visitor and the betrayal. How could a visitor have been so selfish, he thought. He began to think much darker thoughts, too dark to mention. And when he could no longer control himself he decided that something needed to be done. No more words. Words would not accomplish anything. He had to do something, something awful.

He set out for the shack where a visitor was staying.

THE END of part II
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PART III  -  Final Fantasy

Riverstone looked into the window of a visitor's shack and was surprised to see the woman, naked and feeding a visitor OMAPs.

Though sick at the sight of it all, he forced himself to just stand there - watching.

THE END of part III

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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.18.2012
07:08AM EDT 
vertical line Watch this my inner hypocrite - voyeur, voyeur. All is voyeur. For yeur.
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Reply from Chryseis
Aug.18.2012
09:43AM EDT 
vertical line Voyeur, voyeur, pants on fireyeur
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Reply from nibble
Aug.18.2012
10:55AM EDT 
vertical line Yesss!:) That naughty boy riverstone! What happens next??? Bet he is caught peeping by the girl, and now she must punish him, Hard, for being such a bad, bad boy??!
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Reply from Chryseis
Aug.18.2012
11:57AM EDT 
vertical line yeah, she'll probably entice him, then play some silly game with him, get him drunk and the next morning he'll find himself in his underwear with his hands tied and an OMAP stuffed in his mouth like a spitted pig   -  oh and with a tattoo on his butt that says "MOLE HILL"
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Reply from boymonk
Aug.18.2012
03:27PM EDT 
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Reply from boymonk
Aug.21.2012
02:47AM EDT 
vertical line PART IIII - Final Chapter
Riverstone woke. Where am I? Who am I? What am I? I remember my sister enticing me with some silly game and drinking… oh, now, I remember. Good thing, that everything, is empty, cuz now I can pretend it didn’t happen! But I can’t get up. I’m tied up. “HELP!” “HELP!” “HELP ME PLEASE!”

Riverstone continued to yelp for help, for six hours, until finally someone heard him and came to assist the village hero. It was, yes, that’s right, you guessed it, a visitor!

“A visitor, it’s you.”

“Uh, yeah, it’s me, Riverstone. What the hell happened to you? Wait, don’t tell me, I don’t want to know.”

“I got drunk with my sis…”

“STOP,” said a visitor, cutting him off. “Let me just cut those bonds and I’ll be on my way.”

“Alright, sorry… and thanks for coming.”

“Where are you going?”

“I’m going [dramatic pause] to the village,” said a visitor.

“Why?”

“The villagers are going to drink my Kool-Aid, Jonestown style.”

“Cool,” said Riverstone. “I mean, kool, huhaha!”

“This isn’t funny.”

“Sorry.”

“There, you’re free, and I have a date with genocide!” said a visitor.

“huh?”

“Nevermind. But here, have some Kool-Aid. It’s really good.”

“Gee, thanks.”

Riverstone drank down the tall cool glass and watched a visitor walk away towards the village. A visitor’s really not such a bad sort, once you get to know him, he thought to himself.

THE END!
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