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  A wandering monk called Vaccha asked the Buddha if the Buddha would still exsist after death. The Buddha replied:
"Vaccha, the idea that I would exist or not exist after death - such ideas lead to dense jungles and arid deserts, to entanglements... continue...

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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: THE BUDDHA'S NATURE SAME AS EMPTINESS
vertical line Posted on Aug.15.2012 @ 01:46PM EDT by boymonk
The Buddha's nature same as emptiness. Discuss mow!
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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.15.2012
01:56PM EDT 
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Aug.15.2012
02:00PM EDT 
vertical line I meant talk 'now', Frogs. Pardon my French fries.
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Aug.15.2012
02:02PM EDT 
vertical line Ayyyyyy... I menat to write Gods and not Frogs. Spelled backwards of course, and sans-s!
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Aug.15.2012
02:24PM EDT 
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Aug.15.2012
02:37PM EDT 
vertical line Don't know answer. Haha!
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Aug.15.2012
03:48PM EDT 
vertical line Silent treatment? That is against your vows.
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Aug.15.2012
04:12PM EDT 
vertical line Remember vows. Talk now.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.15.2012
04:36PM EDT 
vertical line Primal SCREAM ...
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Reply from boymonk
Aug.15.2012
07:21PM EDT 
vertical line Just so you know, this is KOAN. Joe has passed KOAN.
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Reply from boymonk
Aug.15.2012
07:23PM EDT 
vertical line fyi: KOAN is an acronym for Kettle Open At Noon Time.

Oops, misspell acronym. So sorry.
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Reply from Chryseis
Aug.15.2012
08:19PM EDT 
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ok boy, I will discuss meow,

buddha nature is much involved with the breath, whereby the breath has become such an entity of its own that we become light like breezes flowing through us, and when we feel so naturally flooded with breath, we can not be otherwise then the epitomy of creativity, and this is most keenly felt as internal pliability and facial sensations that we would typifiy that we have become wholly, a smile, and our mind and our motivations become welcoming to others as if all in existence can abide in us and are as our children, and can come and go and rest within us, and we have no emotion to anything other than a combined sensation of amused welcome and compassionate openess and kindness.

emptiness is more an objective and intellectually based perception that kind of translates as a massive - i don't care - which serves to centre us by straightening us to a path and orienting us to reality. 

buddha nature is beyond emptiness, emptiness is a practice that strengthens us and tills the soil to nurture buddha nature.

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Reply from boymonk
Aug.15.2012
09:24PM EDT 
vertical line Chryseis pass KOAN too.
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Aug.15.2012
09:44PM EDT 
vertical line practice kettle emptiness
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Reply from sit_teh
Aug.16.2012
12:00AM EDT 
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vertical line Another day, just breathe.

signing off
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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.16.2012
03:38PM EDT 
vertical line Tomorrow is obsolete.
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Reply from boymonk
Aug.16.2012
03:45PM EDT 
vertical line PASS
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Aug.16.2012
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Aug.17.2012
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vertical line Quote: "buddha nature is beyond emptiness, emptiness is a practice that strengthens us and tills the soil to nurture buddha nature."
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So, now Buddha nature is akin to a plant?? Which needs soil??
Someone said (I don't know who) that the more you try to describe Buddha nature .. the farther you get from it. And, as far as I know, the practice is not emptiness. It is awareness. But, hey, I'm just a criminal with genocidal tendencies??
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Aug.17.2012
04:22AM EDT 
vertical line Epic FAIL
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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.17.2012
05:47AM EDT 
vertical line The tree of life has compassion at its root.
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Reply from justin
Aug.17.2012
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vertical line Show me something not empty and I will show u Buddha nature.
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Reply from justin
Aug.17.2012
10:18AM EDT 
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Aug.17.2012
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vertical line Buddha nature is words
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Aug.17.2012
10:20AM EDT 
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vertical line Until it is experienced as u nature. (even then it is not the nature the words try to explain)
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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.17.2012
11:40AM EDT 
vertical line The ocean refuses no river.
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Reply from boymonk
Aug.17.2012
03:29PM EDT 
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Reply from Chryseis
Aug.18.2012
04:57AM EDT 
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Quote: "Quote: "buddha nature is beyond emptiness, emptiness is a practice that strengthens us and tills the soil to nurture buddha nature."
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So, now Buddha nature is akin to a plant?? Which needs soil??
Someone said (I don't know who) that the more you try to describe Buddha nature .. the farther you get from it. And, as far as I know, the practice is not emptiness. It is awareness. But, hey, I'm just a criminal with genocidal tendencies??
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Yes

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Aug.19.2012
09:08AM EDT 
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Quote: "Quote: "buddha nature is beyond emptiness, emptiness is a practice that strengthens us and tills the soil to nurture buddha nature."
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So, now Buddha nature is akin to a plant?? Which needs soil??
Someone said (I don't know who) that the more you try to describe Buddha nature .. the farther you get from it. And, as far as I know, the practice is not emptiness. It is awareness. But, hey, I'm just a criminal with genocidal tendencies??
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Yes

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If you touch me I will scream .... yes??
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Reply from leoj99
Aug.19.2012
11:35AM EDT 
vertical line So what is your Buddha nature.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.19.2012
01:31PM EDT 
vertical line What's in it for you.
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Reply from boymonk
Aug.19.2012
09:05PM EDT 
vertical line Meritorious esteem.
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Reply from leoj99
Aug.19.2012
09:37PM EDT 
vertical line Buddha nature is not emptiness.... because it is empty...lol
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Aug.19.2012
10:56PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Buddha nature is not emptiness.... because it is empty...lol "
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Always the thinker ... thanks
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Reply from leoj99
Aug.19.2012
11:03PM EDT 
vertical line Well at least  I don't do litany of words...lol
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Reply from boymonk
Aug.20.2012
12:06AM EDT 
vertical line "Be a meditator, not a thinker" ~ Adolf Hitler
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Aug.20.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Well at least  I don't do litany of words...lol "
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If it were just a list of words then I'd be worried. But, since they tend to convey concepts through sentence and structure, it is sure to be more than a litany of words. How are you doing? Everything okay at home? How's work going for you??
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Reply from boymonk
Aug.20.2012
03:51AM EDT 
vertical line Let's get back to the topic shall we... now what's this nonsense about a library of words? Libraries contain a lot of words. So what?
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Reply from starduster
Aug.20.2012
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Quote: ""Be a meditator, not a thinker" ~ Adolf Hitler "
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I hear people say that it would have been good if someone had killed Hitler before he got started.  Are they nuts ?  We would never have won the war without him, which is why his Generals and Admirals kept trying to kill him.

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Reply from starduster
Aug.20.2012
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ok boy, I will discuss meow,

buddha nature is much involved with the breath, whereby the breath has become such an entity of its own that we become light like breezes flowing through us, and when we feel so naturally flooded with breath, we can not be otherwise then the epitomy of creativity, and this is most keenly felt as internal pliability and facial sensations that we would typifiy that we have become wholly, a smile, and our mind and our motivations become welcoming to others as if all in existence can abide in us and are as our children, and can come and go and rest within us, and we have no emotion to anything other than a combined sensation of amused welcome and compassionate openess and kindness.

emptiness is more an objective and intellectually based perception that kind of translates as a massive - i don't care - which serves to centre us by straightening us to a path and orienting us to reality. 

buddha nature is beyond emptiness, emptiness is a practice that strengthens us and tills the soil to nurture buddha nature.

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Breathing is central for us in sitting and meditation because we get more oxygen when we think about it. 

I recall a music teacher saying that it was important to breath diaphramatically when singing or playing a musical instrument because this fill the lungs with about 1/3 more air than when we breathe with just the chest muscles.  Ergo 1/3 more oxygen.

He elaborated that breathing diaphramatically is the natural way, as is done by all babies, and that as we grow older and take on the tensions associated with daily living we tend to breathe higher in the chest. 

High breathing, as I call it, is stress related.  Low breathing returns us to relaxation, and our natural state. 

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Reply from leoj99
Aug.20.2012
11:28AM EDT 
vertical line Thinking cause you to high breathe and so the stress.
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Reply from boymonk
Aug.20.2012
12:26PM EDT 
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buddha nature is beyond emptiness, emptiness is a practice that strengthens us and tills the soil to nurture buddha nature.

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If emptiness is a till, and Buddha's Nature is the seed... you see where I'm going?
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Reply from zenmanstan
Aug.20.2012
10:56PM EDT 
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vertical line yo fly dog rapping gotta ask why lickin spitting fresh D wheres i be when the devil comes after me
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Reply from leoj99
Aug.21.2012
01:56AM EDT 
vertical line I noticed that in spite of the high level of thinking in all the Zen Forums there are still asking: What is Buddha Nature? What is Emptiness? Are they both the same?

Wondering when all the thinkers can solve it....lol
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Reply from boymonk
Aug.21.2012
02:17AM EDT 
vertical line Anyone notice that when you say the words 'Buddha-nature' or 'emptiness' or 'brownies with sprinkles' the zennies start to salivate faster than Pavlov's dog on a Sunday morning*? No, well, pay attention next time.






* Lots of ringing bells.
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Aug.21.2012
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Quote: "I noticed that in spite of the high level of thinking in all the Zen Forums there are still asking: What is Buddha Nature? What is Emptiness? Are they both the same?

Wondering when all the thinkers can solve it....lol
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Zen does not call for higher levels of thinking,

but rather levels of higher thinking.

Buddha nature, just be as you are. Dont try to be something you are not.

Emptiness, *Nothing exists except the energy that everything is made of.* Einstein.

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Aug.21.2012
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Reply from boymonk
Aug.22.2012
03:01AM EDT 
vertical line Just be yourself empty and with the Buddha's nature in your pocket and you'll be naturally empty with a Buddha nature in your pants, or shorts. Wait, what?
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Aug.22.2012
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vertical line After listening to the Sutra, Bodhidharma asked, “Dharma
Master, what are you doing?”
“I am explaining Sutras,” Shen Kuang replied.
“Why are you explaining Sutras?”
“I am teaching people to end birth and death.”
“Oh?” said Bodhidharma, “exactly how do you do that? In
this Sutra which you explain, the words are black and the paper
is white. How does this teach people to end birth and death?”
Dharma Master Shen Kuang had nothing to say. How did he
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Aug.22.2012
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Aug.22.2012
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Aug.22.2012
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Reply from leoj99
Aug.22.2012
11:56PM EDT 
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Quote: "I noticed that in spite of the high level of thinking in all the Zen Forums there are still asking: What is Buddha Nature? What is Emptiness? Are they both the same?

Wondering when all the thinkers can solve it....lol
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Zen does not call for higher levels of thinking,

but rather levels of higher thinking.

Buddha nature, just be as you are. Dont try to be something you are not.

Emptiness, *Nothing exists except the energy that everything is made of.* Einstein.

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You mean there is higher thinking and lower thinking? How are they differentiated?
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Aug.23.2012
02:57AM EDT 
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Aug.23.2012
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Quote: "I noticed that in spite of the high level of thinking in all the Zen Forums there are still asking: What is Buddha Nature? What is Emptiness? Are they both the same?

Wondering when all the thinkers can solve it....lol
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Zen does not call for higher levels of thinking,

but rather levels of higher thinking.

Buddha nature, just be as you are. Dont try to be something you are not.

Emptiness, *Nothing exists except the energy that everything is made of.* Einstein.

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You mean there is higher thinking and lower thinking? How are they differentiated?
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You mean there is higher thinking and lower thinking? How are they differentiated?
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Higher levels of thinking are still in the human range - egocentric.

Levels of higher thinking know no bounds.

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Aug.23.2012
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Levels of higher thinking know no bounds.

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You should see a those bounds, they are, to coin a phrase, well worth bounding.
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