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Posted on Aug.29.2012 @ 07:56AM EDT by dannym
I get that we are born die and are reborn. But if I dont have a soul and when I die only my karma passes into the next life along with some erroneous particles, and one day I happen to reach nirvana who am I if not the person writing this e-mail, if it is not me what is the point?
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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.29.2012
08:01AM EDT
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You are the final and last remaining brag of Homo Rightus, a rip-snorting Clovius Hoofus. You will swim the Bermuda Triangle and not get wet. |
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Reply from dannym
Aug.29.2012
08:03AM EDT
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I thought as much |
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Reply from Avisitor
Aug.29.2012
08:44AM EDT
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As you are now, you are an aggregate of your body, mind and what some call soul its not really a soul as we think of it. Anyway, what gets reborn is the part that is not an aggregate ... but get reborn into another aggregate. What's the point?? The point is to find yourself in the portion that doesn't break down and to separate yourself from being reborn. Ah, hell, I hate spewing this crap out. I understand it but I really don't like talking about it.
Where do you go?? Back to that which you came from ... hahaha
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Reply from Joe Chip
Aug.29.2012
09:34AM EDT
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I don't ask you to believe anything. Welcome to the aggregate of delusive mysteries. |
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Reply from starduster
Aug.29.2012
10:54AM EDT
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On his deathbed, dying of cancer, Shunyro Suzuki said,
*Dont feel sorry for me. I know who I really am.*
If it isnt you, whats the point ? Of what ?
I interpret what Suzuki said as meaning,
*Im just a character I have been playing here. Im returning to being the actor.*
The character cant lose the actor, and the actor cant lose the character. Once the character has arisen, they are inextricably intertwined.
So whats to worry ? |
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Reply from esoteric
Aug.29.2012
11:10AM EDT
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Quote: "I get that we are born die and are reborn. But if I dont have a soul and
when I die only my karma passes into the next life along with some
erroneous particles, and one day I happen to reach nirvana who am I if
not the person writing this e-mail, if it is not me what is the point?
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There is no point to the ideas of rebirth, soul, death, karma, or nirvana. Because as long as they are only ideas, then they are only ideas.
If you want to understand death and rebirth, then die yourself and be reborn.
If you want to understand karma, look at your thoughts and everything you see moment by moment, from the moment you were born, and see how they arise and change and go away.
If you want to understand soul, then look at your thoughts and everything you see moment by moment, from the moment you were born, and see what stays the same as those things arise and change and go away.
If you want to understand nirvana, then keep practicing exactly the way the Buddha practiced, since he's the one who claimed to have found it.
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Reply from boymonk
Aug.29.2012
01:01PM EDT
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The point is to try. Try try try, to not leave in our wake a steaming pile of toxic karma sludge. It's just not cricket. |
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Reply from Avisitor
Aug.31.2012
05:19AM EDT
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The topic of life and death and rebirth is not a new one. It has been a favorite subject of mine. To contemplate one's mortality. In sleep, we don't have the awareness of our sleep. We just are asleep. In lighter sleep, we have minor awareness of the senses. So, is death like sleep? Do we lose our awareness??
If we are reborn, then what is it that gets reborn if we are to believe that there is no soul or anything permanent??
What is the meaning of living this life? To live and suffer. Only to die and be born again into suffering??
This is life. Do something you want with it. Make your choices and try to be happy with it. Things like practicing awareness. Meditating for your very essence.
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Reply from starduster
Aug.31.2012
07:31PM EDT
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The purpose of life is to make good memories,
because that is all that you get to take with you when you go. |
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Reply from Avisitor
Aug.31.2012
08:35PM EDT
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Quote: "
The purpose of life is to make good memories,
because that is all that you get to take with you when you go. " ......... If I get the memories then do I also get the emotions that went with them??
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Reply from simple
Sep.01.2012
08:07AM EDT
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I hope so. |
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Reply from leoj99
Sep.01.2012
11:19AM EDT
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I bet no one will admit they do not know. lol |
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Reply from Joe Chip
Sep.02.2012
06:47AM EDT
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You won't. |
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Reply from boymonk
Sep.03.2012
07:49PM EDT
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The point is to not try. The point is to surrender and be one with the cosmos. It is only by not trying that trying is achieve. Impossible you say? You can't believe it? THAT IS WHY YOU FAIL. |
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Reply from Riverstone
Sep.04.2012
03:06PM EDT
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Nice!! |
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Reply from Riverstone
Sep.04.2012
03:13PM EDT
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Quote: "I bet no one will admit they do not know. lol
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"I do not know." Is not the end of wisdom, it is the beginning. Yet still,you have hit the proverbial head of the nail directly. The "I" can not know. That is the whole point. The 'I' is the obstacle between you and wisdom, between you and everything. When you stop looking with this 'I', 'you' will see, 'you' were never born, 'you' will never die. And here is the most frustrating part; but of course you were born and of course you will die. It is frustrating for me because as much as both things are true at once, the linear, logical mind can not "get it". For the logical mind, one or the other can be so, but not both. This is duality and it is why I have so much difficulty conveying what I mean in these forums. We simple do not have a language which is non-dual.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Sep.04.2012
03:20PM EDT
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See, you mean. |
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Reply from starduster
Sep.05.2012
07:19AM EDT
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Quote: "The point is to not try. The point is to surrender and be one with the cosmos. It is only by not trying that trying is achieve. Impossible you say? You can't believe it? THAT IS WHY YOU FAIL. " .........
Just a passing amusement, I had a really high clearance in the service, a Nato Top Secret, which is referred to in classified circles as a *Cosmic Clearance* because it is international among our allies.
I wonder how that applies to my astral travels, sorta kinda. I seem to be privy to a lot of stuff from other planes of existence.
One of the reasons I believe so strongly in these other planes is that I have met and talked with other people, other travelers, who have been to the same places. We have compared notes, and they match. I was able to share some other experiences with them, and they with me. That has been pretty cool.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Sep.05.2012
07:27AM EDT
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Oh, so, so Un-American. |
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Reply from Joe Chip
Sep.06.2012
08:06AM EDT
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Reply from Avisitor
Sep.06.2012
08:10AM EDT
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Quote: "Just a passing amusement, I had a really high clearance in the service, a Nato Top Secret, which is referred to in classified circles as a *Cosmic Clearance* because it is international among our allies.
I wonder how that applies to my astral travels, sorta kinda. I seem to be privy to a lot of stuff from other planes of existence.
One of the reasons I believe so strongly in these other planes is that I have met and talked with other people, other travelers, who have been to the same places. We have compared notes, and they match. I was able to share some other experiences with them, and they with me. That has been pretty cool.
" ......... That is cool when you find others in a similar situation and you're able to share. Personally, I would be afraid to talk to others about this .. cause, if they don't share a common understanding then they think you're crazy. And, I don't believe I'm crazy .. well, for the most part anyway. Considering all of the other things that goes on??
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Reply from Joe Chip
Sep.06.2012
08:17AM EDT
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It matters not that you may or may not think I'm crazy. |
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Reply from simple
Sep.06.2012
08:45AM EDT
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I know. |
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Reply from starduster
Sep.06.2012
09:41AM EDT
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The foremost evidences of needing psychiatric help are an inability to get along with other people, and an inability to concentrate.
A friend of mine was committed for evaluation, and then let go. He said he didnt think he was crazy. I asked if they gave him the standard tests for memory and concentration. One is to count backward from 100 by 7s, and the other is to see how far back you can remember the Presidents starting with Obama, or whatever heads of state of your country.
He only made it as far as 93 in counting backward, and then began spouting gibberish. He didnt even try remembering Presidents, but I figured it was academic at that point.
As far as his ability to get along with others go, they didnt call him *Scary Kerry* for nothing. He was my best friend and I always knew if someone hurt me he would kill them. Then again, I'd do the same for him, unless he started it, which was usually the case.
Funny story, he got a broken nose and then got a deviated septum from that. Then he got his nose broken in another fight, which fixed his deviated septum. He wasnt very big, but he would definitely tear you apart. |
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Reply from Avisitor
Sep.06.2012
10:12AM EDT
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Quote: "It matters not that you may or may not think I'm crazy. .........
I know." .........
Agreed
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Reply from simple
Sep.06.2012
11:22AM EDT
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Last year I have stayed at the psychiatric(mental) hospital for a week.I had psychosis.not any more.only remains cognitive disorder.I can use only some amount of my brain. |
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Reply from Joe Chip
Sep.06.2012
12:14PM EDT
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Do you have a garden? |
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Reply from Joe Chip
Sep.06.2012
06:42PM EDT
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The gardener a-planting out of roots midwife's a thousand shoots every sweet and poison thing all without and here within fiery yang and liguid yin of scented air on moonlight hair |
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Reply from simple
Sep.06.2012
06:58PM EDT
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crap! |
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Reply from Joe Chip
Sep.06.2012
07:14PM EDT
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God is in the rain. |
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Reply from simple
Sep.06.2012
07:27PM EDT
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Quote: "Do you have a garden?" .........
I dont have a garden. |
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Reply from zenmanstan
Sep.06.2012
11:50PM EDT
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he taught not self to get people to practice selflessness. look in the nirvana sutra search for it on google.
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Reply from genericzen
Sep.06.2012
11:53PM EDT
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no one looks |
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Reply from Joe Chip
Sep.07.2012
06:27AM EDT
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You should read my book. |
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