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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: SERVICE TO OTHERS
vertical line Posted on Aug.29.2012 @ 11:14PM EDT by zenmanstan
welcome to my channel.

anyways, has anyone using simply the 6 perfections of generosity etc ever achieved enlightenment.

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Reply from esoteric
Aug.30.2012
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vertical line No idea.
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Reply from boymonk
Aug.30.2012
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vertical line No, but they are generous.
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Reply from zenmanstan
Aug.30.2012
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vertical line enlightenment arises from the desire to help others.
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Reply from Chryseis
Aug.30.2012
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pleasant notion, but not really

enlightenment is founded in concession (acceptance without challenging)

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Reply from so_teh
Aug.30.2012
08:36PM EDT 
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vertical line Genuine compassion absent of fearfulness
open hearts, clear minds
altruistic intentions
wisdom and love
the what is &
nowness



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Reply from zenmanstan
Aug.30.2012
11:23PM EDT 
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vertical line YES EXACTLY!
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Reply from Avisitor
Aug.31.2012
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vertical line Quote: "enlightenment arises from the desire to help others. "
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pleasant notion, but not really

enlightenment is founded in concession (acceptance without challenging)

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The desire to help others arises from enlightenment.
For when you see others as yourself, how can you not love yourself??
How can you not help yourself??

Challenging yourself to find your true nature is the only concession one should make.
For without this challenge, what would ever make you sit for hours just facing a wall??
Do you do this on faith alone??

Stop talking about enlightenment this or enlightenment that, ...
Show me the money!!!
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Reply from nibble
Sep.01.2012
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vertical line .. yeah right, now he wants money
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Reply from Avisitor
Sep.01.2012
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vertical line Quote: ".. yeah right, now he wants money "
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"Show me the money" is an expression.
Its meaning is to get down to business, get serious

So stop talking about enlightenment
lets get serious ...
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Reply from leoj99
Sep.01.2012
03:37AM EDT 
vertical line Most people who have the desire to help others are just driven by the subtle egos. Most people who likes to help others seems to feel they are better than others. But it seems this is only ploy to avoid themselves. 
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Sep.01.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Most people who have the desire to help others are just driven by the subtle egos. Most people who likes to help others seems to feel they are better than others. But it seems this is only ploy to avoid themselves.  "
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If you are putting your ideas about other people on them
Then all you will get back is what you hold next to your heart.
Do you see yourself?

Letting go means to release and be free.
No ploy here. Only a wish to help and be helped.
Ego?? Probably, just got to tame it.
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Reply from simple
Sep.01.2012
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Quote: "Quote: ".. yeah right, now he wants money "
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"Show me the money" is an expression.
Its meaning is to get down to business, get serious

So stop talking about enlightenment
lets get serious ...
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Salt.

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Reply from Joe Chip
Sep.02.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Most people who have the desire to help others are just driven by the subtle egos. Most people who likes to help others seems to feel they are better than others. But it seems this is only ploy to avoid themselves.  "
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Your snivel driven your drivel.
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Sep.02.2012
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Quote: "Quote: ".. yeah right, now he wants money "
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"Show me the money" is an expression.
Its meaning is to get down to business, get serious

So stop talking about enlightenment
lets get serious ...
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Salt.

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I should have known better than to use that expression here.
Still I wonder or is it wander ...??
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Reply from Joe Chip
Sep.02.2012
08:29PM EDT 
vertical line ... O wonder, O wonder, wander wander wander, O wonder ...
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Sep.02.2012
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Quote: "Quote: ".. yeah right, now he wants money "
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"Show me the money" is an expression.
Its meaning is to get down to business, get serious

So stop talking about enlightenment
lets get serious ...
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Salt.

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I should have known better than to use that expression here.
Still I wonder or is it wander ...??
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I should have known better than to use that expression here.
Still I wonder or is it wander ...??
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I am a wanderer.That was a flashback.

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Reply from Woodsman
Sep.02.2012
10:28PM EDT 
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Reply from starduster
Sep.03.2012
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vertical line Wonderlust
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Reply from Chryseis
Sep.03.2012
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Quote: "Quote: ".. yeah right, now he wants money "
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"Show me the money" is an expression.
Its meaning is to get down to business, get serious

So stop talking about enlightenment
lets get serious ...
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Salt.

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I should have known better than to use that expression here.
Still I wonder or is it wander ...??
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I should have known better than to use that expression here.
Still I wonder or is it wander ...??
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maybe squander....when it comes to money

therefore,

 'I should have known better than to use that expression here.  Still I squander...."

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Reply from Avisitor
Sep.03.2012
08:04PM EDT 
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vertical line Let us get back to the service of others??
How may I help you??
Please ring the bell
And I will answer your question
You may not like the answer but here it is .... hahaha
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Reply from Riverstone
Sep.04.2012
03:24PM EDT 
vertical line You can learn to dance by memorizing the steps and then doing them. You don't look like you are dancing though, you look like you are counting the steps and wording 1..2..3...1..2...3.. In the end you let go of the counting and just DANCE. Some people just jump up and dance.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Sep.04.2012
03:31PM EDT 
vertical line Avoidance.
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Sep.04.2012
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vertical line Quote: "You can learn to dance by memorizing the steps and then doing them. You don't look like you are dancing though, you look like you are counting the steps and wording 1..2..3...1..2...3.. In the end you let go of the counting and just DANCE. Some people just jump up and dance. "
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Are you talking about muscle memory?
Much like practicing Kung fu or other martial arts
Doing it for so long, the muscles remember and the actions flows .. not from the mind.
Just dance !!!
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Reply from Chryseis
Sep.04.2012
09:35PM EDT 
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Help me by helping your self.

Service to others, yes, but you need to incorporate wisdom.  Serve, serve, serve in action will destroy us without the wisdom, and our self can become confused and disoriented.  Having wisdom without service is better, but not enough, the service always needs to be incorporated in order to fulfill the 'prerequisites' for sunyata (I think it is).

How can I serve you? you say, better to think, how can I help myself, then exercise the six perfections as the environment enfolds and presents itself around us.

To facilitate ourselves to have wisdom:  Be open minded, foster awareness without constructions, and acknowledge the innate callings for patience, kindness, generosity, enthusiastic motivation, and focus oriented refinement.  And dedicate to a discipline that encorporates a free approach to mind development.

And then, if you can remain open to the plight of others, and your own, you can stay earthed to the actions/involvement required to be a contributor.

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Reply from starduster
Sep.05.2012
06:02AM EDT 
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Help me by helping your self.

Service to others, yes, but you need to incorporate wisdom.  Serve, serve, serve in action will destroy us without the wisdom, and our self can become confused and disoriented.  Having wisdom without service is better, but not enough, the service always needs to be incorporated in order to fulfill the 'prerequisites' for sunyata (I think it is).

How can I serve you? you say, better to think, how can I help myself, then exercise the six perfections as the environment enfolds and presents itself around us.

To facilitate ourselves to have wisdom:  Be open minded, foster awareness without constructions, and acknowledge the innate callings for patience, kindness, generosity, enthusiastic motivation, and focus oriented refinement.  And dedicate to a discipline that encorporates a free approach to mind development.

And then, if you can remain open to the plight of others, and your own, you can stay earthed to the actions/involvement required to be a contributor.

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Nice.

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Reply from Joe Chip
Sep.05.2012
06:06AM EDT 
vertical line Listen ... the child is the mother-tongue.
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Reply from starduster
Sep.05.2012
06:23AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "enlightenment arises from the desire to help others. "
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pleasant notion, but not really

enlightenment is founded in concession (acceptance without challenging)

"
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The desire to help others arises from enlightenment.
For when you see others as yourself, how can you not love yourself??
How can you not help yourself??

Challenging yourself to find your true nature is the only concession one should make.
For without this challenge, what would ever make you sit for hours just facing a wall??
Do you do this on faith alone??

Stop talking about enlightenment this or enlightenment that, ...
Show me the money!!!
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The desire to help others arises from enlightenment.
For when you see others as yourself, how can you not love yourself??
How can you not help yourself??

Challenging yourself to find your true nature is the only concession one should make.
For without this challenge, what would ever make you sit for hours just facing a wall??
Do you do this on faith alone??

Stop talking about enlightenment this or enlightenment that, ...
Show me the money!!!
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As near as I can tell, enlightenment arises not so much when you are willing to accept it, but also when you are able to accept it.

I believe that if you are not able to accept it you will die.  I have seen this happen firsthand when my father became awakened without preparation.  He refused all food and water and was dead four days later.  I might have interceded, but he was terminal with cancer so I let it happen.

What I have noted in many of the satori stories Ive encountere is a common element of *sincereity*, a desire to understand without consideration of person gain of any kind.

Ramana sincerely asked, *Who is that dies* in his meditation, and that gave rise to his awakening.

In my own case, one night going into my usual meditation, it occurred to me that everyone assumes that everything is just peachy for God, but is it?  So I went into meditation with the question, *what is it like to be God*. 

We got our answers, and so have many others.  The world is full of Buddhas.  Guatama is the most noted of all, because he was such a great teacher, and because he gave up so much personally, such as royalty, so he is called The Buddha.  But there are many.

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Reply from Joe Chip
Sep.05.2012
06:26AM EDT 
vertical line Oh boy.
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