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vertical line Posted on Sep.03.2012 @ 05:12AM EDT by starduster

I just thought of a metaphor to describe planes of existence.

Like in a glass of Coca Cola, there are all kinds of little bubbles clinging to the inside of the glass. 

They are all inside the same place, the glass of Coke being compared to the Void in that sense.  And they are all separate and distinct. 

One by one they let go of the glass, rise to the top, and pop into nothingness.

From what I have *seen* in the Void, the awareness there, the Spirit, Universal Mind, God, or whatever you want to call It, creates these planes of existence for Its own amusement, pleasure, and other reasons, of Itself, by Itself, for Itself, as there is nothing else, just nothingness.  its not all good, but it is all better than nothing.

What I *witnessed* in the Void that I didnt understand before is that creation is not past tense.  In the Void there is only now.  Creation is all in one moment.  All that exists is what the awareness of the Void is being *now*.  It all *is* being created *now*.  Nothing else exists except that which It is being now. 

And It can be anything, subject to change without notice.  It can shake the universal etchasketch and start over from scratch in an instant.


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Sep.03.2012
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vertical line yes yes, creation is all in the present tense, everything is reborn in every moment totally new, it is a drag sometimes, that this is less outwardly expressed, they speak in terms of histories and yet there is only the infinite bliss of seeing it all arise total unrelated
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Reply from esoteric
Sep.07.2012
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vertical line Quote: "

I just thought of a metaphor to describe planes of existence.

Like in a glass of Coca Cola, there are all kinds of little bubbles clinging to the inside of the glass. 

They are all inside the same place, the glass of Coke being compared to the Void in that sense.  And they are all separate and distinct. 

One by one they let go of the glass, rise to the top, and pop into nothingness.

From what I have *seen* in the Void, the awareness there, the Spirit, Universal Mind, God, or whatever you want to call It, creates these planes of existence for Its own amusement, pleasure, and other reasons, of Itself, by Itself, for Itself, as there is nothing else, just nothingness.  its not all good, but it is all better than nothing.

What I *witnessed* in the Void that I didnt understand before is that creation is not past tense.  In the Void there is only now.  Creation is all in one moment.  All that exists is what the awareness of the Void is being *now*.  It all *is* being created *now*.  Nothing else exists except that which It is being now. 

And It can be anything, subject to change without notice.  It can shake the universal etchasketch and start over from scratch in an instant.

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Such a nice dream you had! So, how did that dream help you today? And how did it help others?
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Reply from Joe Chip
Sep.07.2012
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vertical line I've been posting on this plane since before the Internet existed.
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Reply from starduster
Sep.08.2012
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Quote: "yes yes, creation is all in the present tense, everything is reborn in every moment totally new, it is a drag sometimes, that this is less outwardly expressed, they speak in terms of histories and yet there is only the infinite bliss of seeing it all arise total unrelated "
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Every little bit unrelated, yet interdependent, *everything is reborn in every moment totally new*.

This is an understanding of *dependent arising*.

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Reply from starduster
Sep.09.2012
05:28AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "

I just thought of a metaphor to describe planes of existence.

Like in a glass of Coca Cola, there are all kinds of little bubbles clinging to the inside of the glass. 

They are all inside the same place, the glass of Coke being compared to the Void in that sense.  And they are all separate and distinct. 

One by one they let go of the glass, rise to the top, and pop into nothingness.

From what I have *seen* in the Void, the awareness there, the Spirit, Universal Mind, God, or whatever you want to call It, creates these planes of existence for Its own amusement, pleasure, and other reasons, of Itself, by Itself, for Itself, as there is nothing else, just nothingness.  its not all good, but it is all better than nothing.

What I *witnessed* in the Void that I didnt understand before is that creation is not past tense.  In the Void there is only now.  Creation is all in one moment.  All that exists is what the awareness of the Void is being *now*.  It all *is* being created *now*.  Nothing else exists except that which It is being now. 

And It can be anything, subject to change without notice.  It can shake the universal etchasketch and start over from scratch in an instant.

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Such a nice dream you had! So, how did that dream help you today? And how did it help others?
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That *dream* helps me everyday, just like all the *others* I have talked with who have had similar *dreams* and now live in peace.

You havent found peace, have you?  You have found a way to be *comfortably numb*, and that is not the same as *understanding*.

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Reply from esoteric
Sep.09.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "

I just thought of a metaphor to describe planes of existence.

Like in a glass of Coca Cola, there are all kinds of little bubbles clinging to the inside of the glass. 

They are all inside the same place, the glass of Coke being compared to the Void in that sense.  And they are all separate and distinct. 

One by one they let go of the glass, rise to the top, and pop into nothingness.

From what I have *seen* in the Void, the awareness there, the Spirit, Universal Mind, God, or whatever you want to call It, creates these planes of existence for Its own amusement, pleasure, and other reasons, of Itself, by Itself, for Itself, as there is nothing else, just nothingness.  its not all good, but it is all better than nothing.

What I *witnessed* in the Void that I didnt understand before is that creation is not past tense.  In the Void there is only now.  Creation is all in one moment.  All that exists is what the awareness of the Void is being *now*.  It all *is* being created *now*.  Nothing else exists except that which It is being now. 

And It can be anything, subject to change without notice.  It can shake the universal etchasketch and start over from scratch in an instant.

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Such a nice dream you had! So, how did that dream help you today? And how did it help others?
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That *dream* helps me everyday, just like all the *others* I have talked with who have had similar *dreams* and now live in peace.

You havent found peace, have you?  You have found a way to be *comfortably numb*, and that is not the same as *understanding*.

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Now you are looking at yourself, but you can't see me. Are you a peaceful man? Does your dream really make you live in peace, and help you to bring peace to others? Because your talk of hiding on your "piece of the world" that you cut for yourself, and the fighting, and the anger...they don't sound very peaceful.

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Reply from Joe Chip
Sep.09.2012
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vertical line No other form does he know, that so persists in obsessing the mind of esoteric as the form of starduster.
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Sep.09.2012
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vertical line Quote: "No other form does he know, that so persists in obsessing the mind of esoteric as the form of starduster."
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Not really. When I check this forum, I read words and sometimes I write a response. When I'm not checking this forum, I'm neither checking this forum nor not-checking this forum.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Sep.09.2012
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Reply from esoteric
Sep.09.2012
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vertical line I understand suffering, and I understand peace. I understand pain, and I understand healing. So, I read what I read, and I write what I write. Not checking ideas, just doing as doing.

Now I'm going to shop for new frames for glasses.
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Reply from esoteric
Sep.09.2012
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vertical line With a smile. :-)
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Sep.09.2012
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cool.

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Sep.09.2012
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vertical line lets DO this exercise everyday.
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Sep.09.2012
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vertical line It's a jungle, Gym.
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Sep.09.2012
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Optimal Presence
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Reply from starduster
Sep.10.2012
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I just thought of a metaphor to describe planes of existence.

Like in a glass of Coca Cola, there are all kinds of little bubbles clinging to the inside of the glass. 

They are all inside the same place, the glass of Coke being compared to the Void in that sense.  And they are all separate and distinct. 

One by one they let go of the glass, rise to the top, and pop into nothingness.

From what I have *seen* in the Void, the awareness there, the Spirit, Universal Mind, God, or whatever you want to call It, creates these planes of existence for Its own amusement, pleasure, and other reasons, of Itself, by Itself, for Itself, as there is nothing else, just nothingness.  its not all good, but it is all better than nothing.

What I *witnessed* in the Void that I didnt understand before is that creation is not past tense.  In the Void there is only now.  Creation is all in one moment.  All that exists is what the awareness of the Void is being *now*.  It all *is* being created *now*.  Nothing else exists except that which It is being now. 

And It can be anything, subject to change without notice.  It can shake the universal etchasketch and start over from scratch in an instant.

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Such a nice dream you had! So, how did that dream help you today? And how did it help others?
"
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That *dream* helps me everyday, just like all the *others* I have talked with who have had similar *dreams* and now live in peace.

You havent found peace, have you?  You have found a way to be *comfortably numb*, and that is not the same as *understanding*.

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Now you are looking at yourself, but you cant see me. Are you a peaceful man? Does your dream really make you live in peace, and help you to bring peace to others? Because your talk of hiding on your "piece of the world" that you cut for yourself, and the fighting, and the anger...they dont sound very peaceful.
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Now you are looking at yourself, but you cant see me. Are you a peaceful man? Does your dream really make you live in peace, and help you to bring peace to others? Because your talk of hiding on your "piece of the world" that you cut for yourself, and the fighting, and the anger...they dont sound very peaceful.
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Im not angry with you, esoteric, Im glad for you.  You have found what works for you, at least for now, and that is very good.  You have ended your suffering.

The things we talk about here, and experiences we share, tend to support meditation and the benefits of looking inside for answers and solutions.  And that is good.

What you say supports that too.  The only problem I have had with you is your attempt to *correct* others to your way of seeing things.  What right for you is not necessarily right for everyone.  Everyone has to find their own answers and solutions within themselves. 

Zazen is a great accomplishment, silence of mind, but it is not Zen in itself, and it is not an end in itself.  Its working for you, and thats all that should matter to you.

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Reply from esoteric
Sep.10.2012
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I just thought of a metaphor to describe planes of existence.

Like in a glass of Coca Cola, there are all kinds of little bubbles clinging to the inside of the glass. 

They are all inside the same place, the glass of Coke being compared to the Void in that sense.  And they are all separate and distinct. 

One by one they let go of the glass, rise to the top, and pop into nothingness.

From what I have *seen* in the Void, the awareness there, the Spirit, Universal Mind, God, or whatever you want to call It, creates these planes of existence for Its own amusement, pleasure, and other reasons, of Itself, by Itself, for Itself, as there is nothing else, just nothingness.  its not all good, but it is all better than nothing.

What I *witnessed* in the Void that I didnt understand before is that creation is not past tense.  In the Void there is only now.  Creation is all in one moment.  All that exists is what the awareness of the Void is being *now*.  It all *is* being created *now*.  Nothing else exists except that which It is being now. 

And It can be anything, subject to change without notice.  It can shake the universal etchasketch and start over from scratch in an instant.

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Such a nice dream you had! So, how did that dream help you today? And how did it help others?
"
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That *dream* helps me everyday, just like all the *others* I have talked with who have had similar *dreams* and now live in peace.

You havent found peace, have you?  You have found a way to be *comfortably numb*, and that is not the same as *understanding*.

"
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Now you are looking at yourself, but you cant see me. Are you a peaceful man? Does your dream really make you live in peace, and help you to bring peace to others? Because your talk of hiding on your "piece of the world" that you cut for yourself, and the fighting, and the anger...they dont sound very peaceful.
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Now you are looking at yourself, but you cant see me. Are you a peaceful man? Does your dream really make you live in peace, and help you to bring peace to others? Because your talk of hiding on your "piece of the world" that you cut for yourself, and the fighting, and the anger...they dont sound very peaceful.
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Im not angry with you, esoteric, Im glad for you.  You have found what works for you, at least for now, and that is very good.  You have ended your suffering.

The things we talk about here, and experiences we share, tend to support meditation and the benefits of looking inside for answers and solutions.  And that is good.

What you say supports that too.  The only problem I have had with you is your attempt to *correct* others to your way of seeing things.  What right for you is not necessarily right for everyone.  Everyone has to find their own answers and solutions within themselves. 

Zazen is a great accomplishment, silence of mind, but it is not Zen in itself, and it is not an end in itself.  Its working for you, and thats all that should matter to you.

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When I say "some people need to be corrected" and "that is not correct" and "I'm trying to correct your thinking," I don't mean "corrected to the way I am," or "you should think and do what I think and do," or even "I'm correct and you're not."

Only you can know what is correct and what isn't. And some people need to be corrected a lot. An understanding of your own nature and your real function...that will decide it. Seeing things as they are has nothing to do with answers and solutions.
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Sep.10.2012
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Reply from esoteric
Sep.10.2012
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Then correct it.
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Then correct it.
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Too much work ... I have enough work taking care of my seven year old.
Now you want me to take care of your crap too???
I don't think so ... hahaha
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Sep.11.2012
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Then correct it.
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Too much work ... I have enough work taking care of my seven year old.
Now you want me to take care of your crap too???
I don't think so ... hahaha
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You took care of it. Good job!
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Sep.11.2012
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Reply from starduster
Sep.11.2012
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Silencing the mind is only a step toward opening the mind,

becoming a *receiver*, and then what you need can come to you.

Metaphorically, its like most people are talking away on their two-way radio,

never letting go of the mic button long enough to hear what the *other* has to say.

Maybe thats why it is said that *prayer is talking and meditation is listening*.

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Sep.11.2012
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Sep.11.2012
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bluejay

dog walking on wood floor

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finger touch

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