Zen is not dependent on circumstance

Other attainments can be though

When you love someone you want to get so close to them that you are virtually inside each other as one.

That which Is is being everything and everyone, including you and the one you love.

Mission accomplished, before it even started.  You already are one with the one you love.

But I didnt always know or understand this.  I got out of a bad marriage after awakening at my earliest convenience.  I didnt have the strength before.

I asked another awakened person how she could be in a relationship with another person, wasnt it sort of masterbatory ?

She said no, it wasnt like that, they just kept the Spirit central to everything.  I understand that now.

Quote: "I am not a supporter of deep thinking."
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Only enough thinking!

Quote: "Pickings have a beginning."
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No picking! Just kicking, Have Fun!

Quote: "Love has no cause. "
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Virtue is its own reward,

and as often is its only reward.

Quote: "Where Picking, Picker and Picked are One. "
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Dont forget the epaulets! :)

How does it make sense? A friend asked his Guru "how did Jesus meditate?".
The Guru when into a trance and when he came back, he said he meditated bathed in love.
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Yes, I can see that.

Quote: "Quote "I want to practice Zen, but I can't figure out how does Zen go along love. Isn't love one of greatest attachments one can have? I have a girlfriend (soon to be my wife) and I can not hide the fact of her importance to me. Many Zen Masters who have reached enlightenment (For example D.T.Suzuki) had wifes. But how does it make sense?"

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Zen doesn't destroy your ego and doesn't destroy love
It is a compliment to your life. It allows you to see the truth of our nature and our role in life.
Take your girlfriend to be your wife in an open and honest way. Love her.

When you realize the your true nature or actualized the truth of the Dharma, your capacity for compassion and love will grow. Not diminish.

How does it make sense? A friend asked his Guru "how did Jesus meditate?".
The Guru when into a trance and when he came back, he said he meditated bathe in love.

Where does it say that love and Zen don't get along??
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I still dont know what Zen is.  My concept of it is that *It is the Nothingness from which all things spring*, as in dependent arising, or interdependent arising as the case may be. 

But if asked to define Zen I would have to decline.  I cannot say for sure. 

Love is, I think, just one of the things that arise out of nothingness, and disolve back into It.  We want it to last forever, and if we can find a way it will.

To say that Zen is just the practice of Zazen is like the electrician who says that to understand electricity you hook up the wires, flip the switch and the light goes on.

In a way hes right about that.  But that does not define electricity in and of itself.

Einstein comes closest when he says, *Nothing truly exists except the energy that everything is made of.*  Maybe if he had stopped at, *Nothing truly exists* he might have come even closer.  But then he was a physicist talking about physical reality, not metaphysical non-reality.

Quote: "I am this world and I eat this world. "
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Sort of like biting your fingernails.

Im not human.  I owe no loyalty to humanity.  But still I do have compassion when I see others in pain, whatever their form.

Human form is only one of many that I have taken, and still I depart from it in my astral travels to other planes of existence, other dimensions on a regular basis.  Quite commonly, I am a disembodied awareness in my visions, hovering, watching, able to fly at the speed of thought, which I call *zooming*, and to get into and feel just about anything, animal, vegetable, or mineral. 

I think of that as my natural state.  It is the means by which I occupy this body, but sometimes I project out of it into something else too.  It is a very strange thing to see yourself standing there, through someone elses eyes.

You dont have to die to get to *the other side*, or even just around in this world, you just need a working body to come back.

Houdini didnt understand that.  He promised to try to come back after death, but by then its too late.

Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "You got caught up in thinking that Zen is more. Pay attention to your own mind. Other people's minds aren't any of your business.
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It is our capacity to think and communicate that makes us more than animals.
The ability to understand another mind is truly amazing.
To limit oneself to ones own mind is to shut out the light of the sun.
What would life be without music and stories that other have created??
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Your capacity to think and communicate just makes you an animal that thinks and communicates.
How can you understand another mind if you don't understand your own mind?
How can you possibly NOT be limited to your own mind? Show me something that lies outside of it.
And you ask what life would be...but can you say what life IS?
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You have your point of view. Why are you forcing it upon me??
Do you believe you are correcting me??
Do you think you're are the only one who can be right?
Do you want me to change my views to match yours?
You have said many things here and all of which seems to contradict the next thing you say.

The very fact that you can read my words and understand my point of view shows that we are more than animals with only instinct to guide our actions.

Understanding another person doesn't require understanding your own mind completely. We are born with the capacity to empathize, to sympathize, to feel and be compassionate. Do we need to understand these feelings before we can feel?

You want something that lies outside of your mind ... Zen, samadhi, satori and all things outside your present understanding. I am not limited by the mind cause Buddha has shown that there is more to us than just this. And yet, there is only this. Hahaha.

The rest of your questions you will have to answer yourself. I tire of this Zen stink.
I need soup to refresh me.
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It's interesting that I posted a bunch of questions, but you saw them as "points of view" and wanting something, when they were quite NOT those things.

Anyone need a mirror? I have one, and it's free.
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Free advice is usually worth what you paid for it.

Its a cold, hard world and always has been.

Its a world that is eating itself.  It will get me eventually.

Im getting older and my body is breaking down, but Im haning in there, still ambulatory, still working.  I was smart to pick a sedentary job I can grow old in. 

When I sit I just sit.  When I sleep or meditate I go home to the Void.  Home.  The place of my earliest memory.  Home again with the Spirit, my true love.

And then I wake up into a cold, hard world again, that is eating me.

I feel lucky to have any kind of break or respite, let alone such a beautiful one that ultimately will last forever.

Quote: "You will become a better lover if you practice Zen....lol "
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Yes, go down, stay down, become One with it,

and let her feel the bumps on your head.

hello quantum zen

love only makes sense when one realizes that all is love.

the love that you are fully blooms when its no longer restricted by thoughts and objects of your desire

I have experienced boundless love, infinite, beyond my comprehension,

and the love that I have, and feel from, the one of my desire isnt close to that,

but I still want it, for me, and for her, for us.

Of course, I know it is just a small part of the Spirits infinite love,

but as long as that is okay with the Spirit its okay with me too.

Quote: "Simply Karma."
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The one that reminds me of you in my meditation,

and maybe is you on a subconscious level, or so I think,

referred to it as *poetic justice*.

Quote: "Hah! Okay, so, I was charged by this chick over the internet for awhile. I cannot describe what it was, call it love or zen. That's what I mean by charged, like charging a cell phone. I don't know, it lasted then I began loosing energy, thinking of all the ways it was a false hope. It was just a funny feeling I got from her, in a good way. Some connection got plugged in on the brain. The whole ordeal i'm not going to discuss but once that neuro transmitting happens, damn it! it's never going to go away or fully be unplugged! Oh well, no regrets...besides no matter how stunning someone is to the shallow pool of fish their bodies are only good for a fright! "
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I met a girl here some time ago.  We emailed, then wrote, sent each other pictures.  Even talked about her coming over from Scotland and doing an *immigration marriage*, but my father, a lawyer, counselled me against that saying that in five years I would either lose half my stuff or confess to immigration fraud, whichever I preferred.

Then I shared some photos with her on a Kodak website, and got back a confirmation that my pics had been shared with *David* at her email address.  Evidently David had an account with Kodak too.  How bout that !?

Im not too interested in meeting people online anymore after that fiasco.

Beautiful example of what we wish and what life brings us, starduster.

Life is a compassion of a Barbarian.

now ok...:)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6ibl6PIKPM

this is my favorite...

Life is a balance of wanting what you need, and needing what you want,

until you get down to just accepting what you have.