history principles practice stories, books, media discussion forum organizations resources
zenguide.com logo
 
Friday Sep 19 2014 01:51PM ET
º login º register º email º guestbook º printer friendly
grey dot
  Yamaoka Tesshu, as a young student of Zen, visited one
master after another. He called upon Dokuon of Shokoku.

Desiring to show his attainment, he said: "The mind,
Buddha, and sentient beings, after all, do not exist.
... continue...

z
.
e
.
n
menu left history menu spacer principles menu spacer practice menu spacer zen media menu spacer discussion forum menu spacer organization directory menu spacer resources  
login
  DISCUSSION FORUM
» topic list   » start a new topic   » my tracked topics   » view topic
grey dot

horizontal line
→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: A MODERN MONK'S TALE
vertical line Posted on Sep.08.2012 @ 06:24PM EDT by floating_a
Reposted from genkaku's blog:

Words stick in my throat when I try to describe the power I found in "A Modern Monk's Tale" by John Cavanagh, a former Trappist monk who tried, like so many before and after him, to bring clerical misdeeds to his superiors' attention ... and, like so many before and after him, was told to keep his mouth shut.

First of all, it's well written. Second it tells the tale of a person who arose from the well-heeled realms of Roman Catholicism. Rich was holy. Holy was rich. Third, there is little or no soap box in it -- no wails or whines of despair ... just the story.

It twinkles in my mind like a diamond, facet after facet catching the light of what it is to exist in a realm of power run amok. "A Modern Monk's Tale" happens to be about Roman Catholicism.

It might as easily be about why Occupy Wall Street brought so many to their feet.

http://www.hoodiemonks.org/PDFs/MODERN_MONKS_TALE.pdf

Go to Latest Reply   Reply to this Topic
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from Woodsman
Sep.10.2012
10:22AM EDT 
Email Woodsman
vertical line i love the sound of leaves falling from the trees this time of year, it's like a language, that has no "this or that, write or wrong". p e r i o d sss..............sss......  .
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 142443
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from starduster
Sep.10.2012
10:32AM EDT 
vertical line

Another Monks tale:

A friend of mine checked into a Catholic Monastery, unpacked, and went to dinner.

Another monk sitting at his table was very kind and generous, filling his cup and plate while taking nothing for himself.  This went on for a couple of days.  He would have thanked him were it not for the vow of silence he had taken.

Then a note appeared on his door asking that he read page 8 of the Monks Handbook.  There it said that a monk cannot partake of food or drink unless it is offered to him by another monk.

vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 142446
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from Woodsman
Sep.10.2012
10:37AM EDT 
Email Woodsman
vertical line beard
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 142447
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from Avisitor
Sep.10.2012
12:27PM EDT 
Email Avisitor
vertical line Quote: "

Another Monks tale:

A friend of mine checked into a Catholic Monastery, unpacked, and went to dinner.

Another monk sitting at his table was very kind and generous, filling his cup and plate while taking nothing for himself.  This went on for a couple of days.  He would have thanked him were it not for the vow of silence he had taken.

Then a note appeared on his door asking that he read page 8 of the Monks Handbook.  There it said that a monk cannot partake of food or drink unless it is offered to him by another monk.

"
.........

There is a handbook for being a monk??? hahaha
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 142455
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from boymonk
Sep.11.2012
01:48AM EDT 
vertical line Ode to the rat monk. He's a naughty little snitch! He would tattle on his own mother, or squeal on his nanny. If there were things to say he would say them, no matter the cost (to others). How can he be a rat in monks clothing???
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 142475
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from Joe Chip
Sep.11.2012
06:03AM EDT 
vertical line Punk Monk.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 142492
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from Woodsman
Sep.11.2012
08:47AM EDT 
Email Woodsman
vertical line Pet Monkey.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 142498
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from Avisitor
Sep.11.2012
04:25PM EDT 
Email Avisitor
vertical line Who has got a copy of that monk's handbook??

..... hahaha
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 142535
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from football
Sep.11.2012
05:27PM EDT 
Email football
vertical line Do a google search
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 142536
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from Avisitor
Sep.11.2012
09:30PM EDT 
Email Avisitor
vertical line Quote: "Do a google search"
.........

Searching for a monk's handbook returns results for a player's handbook for the character of a monk. Is Zen a game that I don't know about??

Why are the smart ones so lacking in understanding??
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 142543
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from starduster
Sep.12.2012
04:43AM EDT 
vertical line

Quote: "Quote: "Do a google search"
.........

Searching for a monk's handbook returns results for a player's handbook for the character of a monk. Is Zen a game that I don't know about??

Why are the smart ones so lacking in understanding??
"
.........

Look up *monastic rules* on Wikipedia.

vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 142547
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from Joe Chip
Sep.12.2012
08:13AM EDT 
vertical line Words of Why O Wisdy Why is the guestycolder not under the standbold on ceremoany? Deep pity.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 142557
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from Avisitor
Sep.12.2012
03:26PM EDT 
Email Avisitor
vertical line Quote: "

Quote: "Quote: "Do a google search"
.........

Searching for a monk's handbook returns results for a player's handbook for the character of a monk. Is Zen a game that I don't know about??

Why are the smart ones so lacking in understanding??
"
.........

Look up *monastic rules* on Wikipedia.

"
.........

Nothing there about having to wait for another monk to offer food.

But, there is plenty on how to live with lay Buddhist in a way which doesn't compromise either's choice of lifestyle. Seems to me that the eight fold path and the middle way are the real guide lines for a monk's life.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 142571
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from starduster
Sep.13.2012
05:26AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "

Quote: "Quote: "Do a google search"
.........

Searching for a monk's handbook returns results for a player's handbook for the character of a monk. Is Zen a game that I don't know about??

Why are the smart ones so lacking in understanding??
"
.........

Look up *monastic rules* on Wikipedia.

"
.........

Nothing there about having to wait for another monk to offer food.

But, there is plenty on how to live with lay Buddhist in a way which doesn't compromise either's choice of lifestyle. Seems to me that the eight fold path and the middle way are the real guide lines for a monk's life.
"
.........

"
.........

Nothing there about having to wait for another monk to offer food.

But, there is plenty on how to live with lay Buddhist in a way which doesn't compromise either's choice of lifestyle. Seems to me that the eight fold path and the middle way are the real guide lines for a monk's life.
"
.........

Evidently you didnt notice that every monastery makes up its own rules.

They generally reserve the right to do that,

like my parents used to say, *As long as you are living under our roof*.

Funny, when my Dad came to live with me during his final days

he still wanted to make the rules.  And when I said otherwise, the told me

to go F myself.

vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 142603
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from Avisitor
Sep.13.2012
06:11AM EDT 
Email Avisitor
vertical line Quote: "Evidently you didnt notice that every monastery makes up its own rules.

They generally reserve the right to do that,

like my parents used to say, *As long as you are living under our roof*.

Funny, when my Dad came to live with me during his final days

he still wanted to make the rules.  And when I said otherwise, the told me

to go F myself.

"
.........

Okay understood, different monastery has different house rules.

The thing about people is that they get a sense of themselves by the roles they played in life. My mom and dad will always be my mom and dad. They can't be my friends. And, they will always try to show they approval or disapproval of my life. That is who they are. They learned to play those roles for a number of years. I wouldn't ask them to change. However, I would avoid seeing them too often as the visits would put me back into a role I don't want to play anymore. It is not who I am now.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 142604
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from Joe Chip
Sep.13.2012
07:29AM EDT 
vertical line The thing about you is, you don't know who you are.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 142607
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from Avisitor
Sep.13.2012
08:07AM EDT 
Email Avisitor
vertical line Quote: "The thing about you is, you don't know who you are. "
.........
Come sit with me while I feel the bumps on your head ...
We can always make the bumps tell us the story that we want .. haha
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 142614
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from Joe Chip
Sep.13.2012
08:10AM EDT 
vertical line Show your true nature.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 142616
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from starduster
Sep.13.2012
11:03AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Evidently you didnt notice that every monastery makes up its own rules.

They generally reserve the right to do that,

like my parents used to say, *As long as you are living under our roof*.

Funny, when my Dad came to live with me during his final days

he still wanted to make the rules.  And when I said otherwise, the told me

to go F myself.

"
.........

Okay understood, different monastery has different house rules.

The thing about people is that they get a sense of themselves by the roles they played in life. My mom and dad will always be my mom and dad. They can't be my friends. And, they will always try to show they approval or disapproval of my life. That is who they are. They learned to play those roles for a number of years. I wouldn't ask them to change. However, I would avoid seeing them too often as the visits would put me back into a role I don't want to play anymore. It is not who I am now.
"
.........

"
.........

Okay understood, different monastery has different house rules.

The thing about people is that they get a sense of themselves by the roles they played in life. My mom and dad will always be my mom and dad. They can't be my friends. And, they will always try to show they approval or disapproval of my life. That is who they are. They learned to play those roles for a number of years. I wouldn't ask them to change. However, I would avoid seeing them too often as the visits would put me back into a role I don't want to play anymore. It is not who I am now.
"
.........

Conditioning is hard to reverse, even when you know thats what it is.

I had to get back into the *son* role in order to help my Dad in his final days.  But I did not like that aspect of it at all. 

Still, it had to be done, and the overall event was a success as he became awakened before he died.

vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 142627
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from Avisitor
Sep.14.2012
11:55AM EDT 
Email Avisitor
vertical line Quote: "

Conditioning is hard to reverse, even when you know thats what it is.


I had to get back into the *son* role in order to help my Dad in his final days.  But I did not like that aspect of it at all. 


Still, it had to be done, and the overall event was a success as he became awakened before he died.

"
.........

Yes, we are born preconditioned to have these filters on our consciousness. When we practice, we can .. allow for a way to release these preconditions. See space between the rising and flowing of thoughts/emotions. Then choose to neither chase or reject them but to really let them go.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 142655
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from Joe Chip
Sep.14.2012
12:52PM EDT 
vertical line Born is a pre-existing condition. No preconditions.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 142657
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from Avisitor
Sep.14.2012
06:03PM EDT 
Email Avisitor
vertical line Quote: "Born is a pre-existing condition. No preconditions."
.........

Yes, you have a preconditioned consciousness.
That is why you can't write more than a sentence or two ... hahaha
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 142667
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from Joe Chip
Sep.14.2012
07:26PM EDT 
vertical line No, that is why you're seeking release from a cyclic existence for yourself with a little motivation, while neglecting your fellow sentient beings.
hahaha.
hahaha.
hahaha.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 142668
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from Avisitor
Sep.15.2012
08:47PM EDT 
Email Avisitor
vertical line Quote: "No, that is why you're seeking release from a cyclic existence for yourself with a little motivation, while neglecting your fellow sentient beings.
hahaha.
hahaha.
hahaha.
"
.........
You can't help others before you have helped yourself first.
And working on yourself is helping all sentient beings.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 142686
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from starduster
Sep.16.2012
06:08AM EDT 
vertical line

Joe Quip is an enigma.

Maybe those with the most to say are those who say the least.

Got it down closer to the common denominator than most.

Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of others?

The Shadow knows.

You say you dont know, Joe, but I believe I have met you in my meditations,

at least on a subconscious level.  We dont always remember these things consciously.

Sardonic as ever, quipping as usual, thanks for your help.

vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 142696
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from Joe Chip
Sep.16.2012
10:28AM EDT 
vertical line Truth is, Aviator is economical with honesty.
This is economical with Word.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 142709
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from boymonk
Sep.16.2012
03:33PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "forking on yourself is helping all sentient beings.
"
.........

If you say so.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 142726
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from starduster
Sep.18.2012
05:25AM EDT 
vertical line

Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "forking on yourself is helping all sentient beings.
"
.........

If you say so.
"
.........

I see little benefit in forking yourself,

but if it feels good do it.

vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 142786
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from Avisitor
Sep.18.2012
05:25AM EDT 
Email Avisitor
vertical line Mispronouncing someone's name or misquoting someone has been a tried and true technique for pissing someone off. Unfortunately here, there is no "someone" to piss off.
But, thanks, I appreciate the effort .... haha
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 142787
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from boymonk
Sep.18.2012
09:45PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Unfortunately here, there is no "visitor" to kiss off.
"
.........

Well then how bout a fond fair-thee-well or a boom'n bon voyagie.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 142806
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from Avisitor
Sep.19.2012
04:44AM EDT 
Email Avisitor
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Unfortunately here, there is no "visitor" to kiss off.
"
.........

Well then how bout a fond fair-thee-well or a boom'n bon voyagie.
"
.........

As you wish it ... so shall it be for your life is but a dream.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 142825
horizontal line
 
Back To Topic List   Go to Top of Page

 



SUPPORT ZENGUIDE.COM
If you are planning on purchasing any product from amazon.com, you can help us out by using the search box to the right or by clicking on this link to begin shopping.


Purchase posters, art prints, media (music CD & DVD)

buy this ZEN FANS II
by Gene Ouimette
Puchase this Item
More Art Prints & Media
Zen & Buddhism books
 
 
d
.
i
.
s
.
c
.
u
.
s
.
s
.
i
.
o
.
n
.

.
f
.
o
.
r
.
u
.
m
.
Copyright © 1999 - 2014 zenguide.com - All rights reserved. °