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  Posted on Aug.08.2009 @ 10:26PM EDT by chontri

If you want to know the past,
to know what has caused you,
look at yourself in the present,
for that is the past's effect.

If you want to know your future,
... continue...

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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: KARUNA
vertical line Posted on Oct.13.2012 @ 12:03PM EDT by Hollow
Generally translated as compassion / the strong desire to remove stress and suffering from others

One of four brahmavihara ("sublime attitudes"), along with benevolence, joy, and equanimity, that a follower of the Path cultivates and radiates to all sentient beings



Returning to this forum after a few months' hiatus, it seems that people have taken more to debate and argument of their views over the cultivation of good qualities within themselves.

If you would like, contemplate karuna; consider how your actions may work to ease the suffering of others.
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vertical line I think you are 'new' here. :)
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Oct.13.2012
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I know music dont substitute compassion but thats only i can give..please accept...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rwt46TnKujA

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Oct.13.2012
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vertical line I'm all yours.
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Oct.13.2012
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vertical line Trying to imitate those qualities is a fool's errand.
Unless they truly come from inside of you, you are just wasting your time being that way.
So, do we cultivate those qualities or do we radiate those qualities??
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Reply from Hollow
Oct.13.2012
03:20PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Trying to imitate those qualities is a fool's errand.
Unless they truly come from inside of you, you are just wasting your time being that way.
So, do we cultivate those qualities or do we radiate those qualities??


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Why do you consider it a fool's errand to generate a compassionate attitude? If by doing so, one may refrain from harming oneself and others and ease suffering, the time has not been wasted at all.

The purpose of cultivating the quality of compassion within oneself is just that: if one truly wishes no harm to others, and works toward the cessation of suffering for all sentient beings, then one has the appropriate mindset for skillfully approaching that cessation.
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Reply from leoj99
Oct.13.2012
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vertical line Wondering if you already have remove your stress and suffering so you want to help them remove from others.

If not how can you do that.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.13.2012
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vertical line Will hollow words in a hollow debate do it?
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Reply from leoj99
Oct.13.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Will hollow words in a hollow debate do it?"
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Yeah thats right...lol
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Reply from Hollow
Oct.13.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Wondering if you already have remove your stress and suffering so you want to help them remove from others.

If not how can you do that.


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The way to end stress and suffering is to follow the Noble Eightfold Path.
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Reply from nibble
Oct.13.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Trying to imitate those qualities is a fool's errand.
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So, do we cultivate those qualities or do we radiate those qualities??
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2 methods that works:

1. The hearth sutra, start by wanting yourself to feel good and all the best, then do loved ones, neighbors, strangers and in the end "people you hate"

2. for spesific lack of campassion and empathi:
Imagine how you would do youre best to defend and get aquitted in "a court of law something" womever you feel has done you wrong.

night
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Oct.13.2012
06:48PM EDT 
vertical line (first one is a practise really called "cultivating loving kindness")
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Oct.13.2012
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vertical line Associates>friends>brothers
...that is that
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Oct.13.2012
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vertical line www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=F_oyyJe-7UY
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Oct.13.2012
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Someone said recently that they did not know of anyone who has become awakened n association with this site.

I have kinown of some, including Hollow, but they often seem to leave, at least for a while.

Sort of like the hiatus The Buddha took after his awakening.  Then he too came back to the fold.

Why not ?  What else have you got to do ?

It does tend to get argumentative around here.  Thats just people regurgitating their egos, its for the greater good, in the long run.

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Reply from Hollow
Oct.14.2012
12:27AM EDT 
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Someone said recently that they did not know of anyone who has become awakened n association with this site.


I have kinown of some, including Hollow, but they often seem to leave, at least for a while.


Sort of like the hiatus The Buddha took after his awakening.  Then he too came back to the fold.


Why not ?  What else have you got to do ?


It does tend to get argumentative around here.  Thats just people regurgitating their egos, its for the greater good, in the long run.

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From my understanding, a better goal is to stop 'regurgitating', and be unbound from those attachments that form ego.
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line The people are your imaginary people. You have returned to teach your imaginary people.

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Oct.14.2012
10:31AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Trying to imitate those qualities is a fool's errand.
Unless they truly come from inside of you, you are just wasting your time being that way.
So, do we cultivate those qualities or do we radiate those qualities??


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Why do you consider it a fool's errand to generate a compassionate attitude? If by doing so, one may refrain from harming oneself and others and ease suffering, the time has not been wasted at all.

The purpose of cultivating the quality of compassion within oneself is just that: if one truly wishes no harm to others, and works toward the cessation of suffering for all sentient beings, then one has the appropriate mindset for skillfully approaching that cessation.
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I didn't say the effort was a waste of time. I said it is a fool's errand to try to imitate something that isn't you.
If compassion is truly in you then releasing it will be right.
But, trying to be someone or something that you are not ... that is a fool making an error.

For instance, when I practice .. I sit. I don't try to be enlightened.
That is not what I am. It is not who I am.
If my practice benefits me then my life may become better.
And through those changes, I may become a more compassionate man.
But, trying to be something or someone which I am not ... doesn't make sense to me.
Then, after the changes my practice allows me to make, I become a better person then the changes will allow for other changes.
This sets up the momentum for having the appropriate mindset for whatever .... hahaha

This what I see ... a man wearing Buddhist robes doesn't make him a Buddha.
Trying to be something you're not ... isn't going to make the changes you are trying  ... right.
If the changes start from inside and radiate out ... then we may have a chance at seeing the truth about our nature.

Okay, having said all this, I may be wrong in your eyes. That is okay. As long as I still have a mind ... I can change it for the better ... hahaha
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Reply from Hollow
Oct.14.2012
10:36AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "The people are your imaginary people. You have returned to teach your imaginary people.

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I have returned to discuss Buddhism. When you have finished spouting cryptic nonsense, I would be glad to have a conversation.
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Reply from Hollow
Oct.14.2012
10:46AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Trying to imitate those qualities is a fool's errand.
Unless they truly come from inside of you, you are just wasting your time being that way.
So, do we cultivate those qualities or do we radiate those qualities??


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Why do you consider it a fool's errand to generate a compassionate attitude? If by doing so, one may refrain from harming oneself and others and ease suffering, the time has not been wasted at all.

The purpose of cultivating the quality of compassion within oneself is just that: if one truly wishes no harm to others, and works toward the cessation of suffering for all sentient beings, then one has the appropriate mindset for skillfully approaching that cessation.
"
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I didn't say the effort was a waste of time. I said it is a fool's errand to try to imitate something that isn't you.
If compassion is truly in you then releasing it will be right.
But, trying to be someone or something that you are not ... that is a fool making an error.

For instance, when I practice .. I sit. I don't try to be enlightened.
That is not what I am. It is not who I am.
If my practice benefits me then my life may become better.
And through those changes, I may become a more compassionate man.
But, trying to be something or someone which I am not ... doesn't make sense to me.
Then, after the changes my practice allows me to make, I become a better person then the changes will allow for other changes.
This sets up the momentum for having the appropriate mindset for whatever .... hahaha

This what I see ... a man wearing Buddhist robes doesn't make him a Buddha.
Trying to be something you're not ... isn't going to make the changes you are trying  ... right.
If the changes start from inside and radiate out ... then we may have a chance at seeing the truth about our nature.

Okay, having said all this, I may be wrong in your eyes. That is okay. As long as I still have a mind ... I can change it for the better ... hahaha
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You talk about compassion like it is just a thing sitting in some people, and only those people who have it should 'release' it to others. To practice compassion is not to determine what you are, or what you are not, or if you have something called compassion inside you somewhere. It is about how you choose to act, toward yourself and others. When you are mindful of the results of your actions and consciously choose that those actions will not bring anyone harm, you are acting with compassion.
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line blah blah blah de b b blah
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Oct.14.2012
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Noise.
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line Imaginary.
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Oct.14.2012
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I will not join you in worthless chatter.
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line And I will contemplate your pomposity.
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vertical line It is not pompous to want to discuss Buddhism on a forum for Buddhism.
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line Who said it is? And what do you want to talk about?
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line Would you like to talk about how others could work to ease your suffering?
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line This thread is about attitude and intention. In light of arguments that I saw, I intended to invite any reader to consider their own attitude.

What do you intend?
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line I think you should consider your own attitude.
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line I do. Is something wrong?
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line I dunno, I'm non-Buddhist.
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line What is your purpose on this forum?
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line Your destiny.
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Trying to imitate those qualities is a fool's errand.
Unless they truly come from inside of you, you are just wasting your time being that way.
So, do we cultivate those qualities or do we radiate those qualities??


"
.........

Why do you consider it a fool's errand to generate a compassionate attitude? If by doing so, one may refrain from harming oneself and others and ease suffering, the time has not been wasted at all.

The purpose of cultivating the quality of compassion within oneself is just that: if one truly wishes no harm to others, and works toward the cessation of suffering for all sentient beings, then one has the appropriate mindset for skillfully approaching that cessation.
"
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I didn't say the effort was a waste of time. I said it is a fool's errand to try to imitate something that isn't you.
If compassion is truly in you then releasing it will be right.
But, trying to be someone or something that you are not ... that is a fool making an error.

For instance, when I practice .. I sit. I don't try to be enlightened.
That is not what I am. It is not who I am.
If my practice benefits me then my life may become better.
And through those changes, I may become a more compassionate man.
But, trying to be something or someone which I am not ... doesn't make sense to me.
Then, after the changes my practice allows me to make, I become a better person then the changes will allow for other changes.
This sets up the momentum for having the appropriate mindset for whatever .... hahaha

This what I see ... a man wearing Buddhist robes doesn't make him a Buddha.
Trying to be something you're not ... isn't going to make the changes you are trying  ... right.
If the changes start from inside and radiate out ... then we may have a chance at seeing the truth about our nature.

Okay, having said all this, I may be wrong in your eyes. That is okay. As long as I still have a mind ... I can change it for the better ... hahaha
"
.........

You talk about compassion like it is just a thing sitting in some people, and only those people who have it should 'release' it to others. To practice compassion is not to determine what you are, or what you are not, or if you have something called compassion inside you somewhere. It is about how you choose to act, toward yourself and others. When you are mindful of the results of your actions and consciously choose that those actions will not bring anyone harm, you are acting with compassion.
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compassion (n.) Look up compassion at Dictionary.com
from L.L. com- "together" (see com-) + pati "to suffer" (see passion).

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You already did.
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vertical line Quote: "You talk about compassion like it is just a thing sitting in some people, and only those people who have it should 'release' it to others. To practice compassion is not to determine what you are, or what you are not, or if you have something called compassion inside you somewhere. It is about how you choose to act, toward yourself and others. When you are mindful of the results of your actions and consciously choose that those actions will not bring anyone harm, you are acting with compassion."
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I do not argue with your point. I can see its merits.
However, my point is that actions don't mean the act is without attachments.
And, working on oneself first is important ... not just compassionate acts.
But, for the sake of harmony, I bow to your view ... okay???
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "You talk about compassion like it is just a thing sitting in some people, and only those people who have it should 'release' it to others. To practice compassion is not to determine what you are, or what you are not, or if you have something called compassion inside you somewhere. It is about how you choose to act, toward yourself and others. When you are mindful of the results of your actions and consciously choose that those actions will not bring anyone harm, you are acting with compassion."
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I do not argue with your point. I can see its merits.
However, my point is that actions don't mean the act is without attachments.
And, working on oneself first is important ... not just compassionate acts.
But, for the sake of harmony, I bow to your view ... okay???
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You said the same thing, about the same thing, but call it something different.
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Hell is replete with good meanings.
Heaven is replete with good works.

Know yourself.
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line Know yourself honestly.
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