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Posted on Oct.13.2012 @ 12:03PM EDT by Hollow
Generally translated as compassion / the strong desire to remove stress and suffering from others
One of four brahmavihara ("sublime attitudes"), along with benevolence, joy, and equanimity, that a follower of the Path cultivates and radiates to all sentient beings
Returning to this forum after a few months' hiatus, it seems that people have taken more to debate and argument of their views over the cultivation of good qualities within themselves.
If you would like, contemplate karuna; consider how your actions may work to ease the suffering of others.
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Reply from football
Oct.13.2012
12:31PM EDT
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I think you are 'new' here. :) |
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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.13.2012
01:23PM EDT
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Nah, he's just hernia. |
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Reply from football
Oct.13.2012
01:27PM EDT
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I know music dont substitute compassion but thats only i can give..please accept...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rwt46TnKujA
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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.13.2012
01:28PM EDT
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I'm all yours. |
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Reply from Avisitor
Oct.13.2012
03:05PM EDT
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Trying to imitate those qualities is a fool's errand.
Unless they truly come from inside of you, you are just wasting your time being that way.
So, do we cultivate those qualities or do we radiate those qualities??
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Reply from Hollow
Oct.13.2012
03:20PM EDT
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Quote: "Trying to imitate those qualities is a fool's errand.
Unless they truly come from inside of you, you are just wasting your time being that way.
So, do we cultivate those qualities or do we radiate those qualities??
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Why do you consider it a fool's errand to generate a compassionate attitude? If by doing so, one may refrain from harming oneself and others and ease suffering, the time has not been wasted at all.
The purpose of cultivating the quality of compassion within oneself is just that: if one truly wishes no harm to others, and works toward the cessation of suffering for all sentient beings, then one has the appropriate mindset for skillfully approaching that cessation. |
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Reply from leoj99
Oct.13.2012
03:27PM EDT
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Wondering if you already have remove your stress and suffering so you want to help them remove from others.
If not how can you do that.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.13.2012
04:13PM EDT
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Will hollow words in a hollow debate do it? |
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Reply from leoj99
Oct.13.2012
04:38PM EDT
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Quote: "Will hollow words in a hollow debate do it?"
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Yeah thats right...lol
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Reply from Hollow
Oct.13.2012
04:55PM EDT
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Quote: "Wondering if you already have remove your stress and suffering so you want to help them remove from others.
If not how can you do that.
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The way to end stress and suffering is to follow the Noble Eightfold Path. |
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Reply from nibble
Oct.13.2012
06:46PM EDT
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Quote: "Trying to imitate those qualities is a fool's errand.
Unless they truly come from inside of you, you are just wasting your time being that way.
So, do we cultivate those qualities or do we radiate those qualities??
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2 methods that works:
1. The hearth sutra, start by wanting yourself to feel good and all the best, then do loved ones, neighbors, strangers and in the end "people you hate"
2. for spesific lack of campassion and empathi:
Imagine how you would do youre best to defend and get aquitted in "a court of law something" womever you feel has done you wrong.
night
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Reply from nibble
Oct.13.2012
06:48PM EDT
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(first one is a practise really called "cultivating loving kindness") |
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Reply from BlankName
Oct.13.2012
08:06PM EDT
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Associates>friends>brothers
...that is that |
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Reply from football
Oct.13.2012
08:47PM EDT
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www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=F_oyyJe-7UY |
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Reply from starduster
Oct.13.2012
09:22PM EDT
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Someone said recently that they did not know of anyone who has become awakened n association with this site.
I have kinown of some, including Hollow, but they often seem to leave, at least for a while.
Sort of like the hiatus The Buddha took after his awakening. Then he too came back to the fold.
Why not ? What else have you got to do ?
It does tend to get argumentative around here. Thats just people regurgitating their egos, its for the greater good, in the long run. |
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Reply from Hollow
Oct.14.2012
12:27AM EDT
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Quote: " Someone said recently that they did not know of anyone who has become awakened n association with this site.
I have kinown of some, including Hollow, but they often seem to leave, at least for a while.
Sort of like the hiatus The Buddha took after his awakening. Then he too came back to the fold.
Why not ? What else have you got to do ?
It does tend to get argumentative around here. Thats just people regurgitating their egos, its for the greater good, in the long run. "
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From my understanding, a better goal is to stop 'regurgitating', and be unbound from those attachments that form ego. |
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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.14.2012
07:57AM EDT
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The people are your imaginary people. You have returned to teach your imaginary people.
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Reply from Avisitor
Oct.14.2012
10:31AM EDT
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Quote: "Quote: "Trying to imitate those qualities is a fool's errand.
Unless they truly come from inside of you, you are just wasting your time being that way.
So, do we cultivate those qualities or do we radiate those qualities??
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Why do you consider it a fool's errand to generate a compassionate attitude? If by doing so, one may refrain from harming oneself and others and ease suffering, the time has not been wasted at all.
The purpose of cultivating the quality of compassion within oneself is just that: if one truly wishes no harm to others, and works toward the cessation of suffering for all sentient beings, then one has the appropriate mindset for skillfully approaching that cessation."
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I didn't say the effort was a waste of time. I said it is a fool's errand to try to imitate something that isn't you.
If compassion is truly in you then releasing it will be right.
But, trying to be someone or something that you are not ... that is a fool making an error.
For instance, when I practice .. I sit. I don't try to be enlightened.
That is not what I am. It is not who I am.
If my practice benefits me then my life may become better.
And through those changes, I may become a more compassionate man.
But, trying to be something or someone which I am not ... doesn't make sense to me.
Then, after the changes my practice allows me to make, I become a better person then the changes will allow for other changes.
This sets up the momentum for having the appropriate mindset for whatever .... hahaha
This what I see ... a man wearing Buddhist robes doesn't make him a Buddha.
Trying to be something you're not ... isn't going to make the changes you are trying ... right.
If the changes start from inside and radiate out ... then we may have a chance at seeing the truth about our nature.
Okay, having said all this, I may be wrong in your eyes. That is okay. As long as I still have a mind ... I can change it for the better ... hahaha
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Reply from Hollow
Oct.14.2012
10:36AM EDT
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Quote: "The people are your imaginary people. You have returned to teach your imaginary people.
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I have returned to discuss Buddhism. When you have finished spouting cryptic nonsense, I would be glad to have a conversation. |
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Reply from Hollow
Oct.14.2012
10:46AM EDT
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Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Trying to imitate those qualities is a fool's errand.
Unless they truly come from inside of you, you are just wasting your time being that way.
So, do we cultivate those qualities or do we radiate those qualities??
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Why do you consider it a fool's errand to generate a compassionate attitude? If by doing so, one may refrain from harming oneself and others and ease suffering, the time has not been wasted at all.
The purpose of cultivating the quality of compassion within oneself is just that: if one truly wishes no harm to others, and works toward the cessation of suffering for all sentient beings, then one has the appropriate mindset for skillfully approaching that cessation."
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I didn't say the effort was a waste of time. I said it is a fool's errand to try to imitate something that isn't you.
If compassion is truly in you then releasing it will be right.
But, trying to be someone or something that you are not ... that is a fool making an error.
For instance, when I practice .. I sit. I don't try to be enlightened.
That is not what I am. It is not who I am.
If my practice benefits me then my life may become better.
And through those changes, I may become a more compassionate man.
But, trying to be something or someone which I am not ... doesn't make sense to me.
Then, after the changes my practice allows me to make, I become a better person then the changes will allow for other changes.
This sets up the momentum for having the appropriate mindset for whatever .... hahaha
This what I see ... a man wearing Buddhist robes doesn't make him a Buddha.
Trying to be something you're not ... isn't going to make the changes you are trying ... right.
If the changes start from inside and radiate out ... then we may have a chance at seeing the truth about our nature.
Okay, having said all this, I may be wrong in your eyes. That is okay. As long as I still have a mind ... I can change it for the better ... hahaha
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You talk about compassion like it is just a thing sitting in some people, and only those people who have it should 'release' it to others. To practice compassion is not to determine what you are, or what you are not, or if you have something called compassion inside you somewhere. It is about how you choose to act, toward yourself and others. When you are mindful of the results of your actions and consciously choose that those actions will not bring anyone harm, you are acting with compassion. |
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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.14.2012
11:14AM EDT
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blah blah blah de b b blah |
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Reply from Hollow
Oct.14.2012
11:44AM EDT
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Quote: "blah blah blah de b b blah"
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Noise. |
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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.14.2012
11:52AM EDT
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Imaginary. |
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Reply from Hollow
Oct.14.2012
12:11PM EDT
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Quote: "Imaginary."
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I will not join you in worthless chatter. |
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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.14.2012
12:28PM EDT
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And I will contemplate your pomposity. |
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Reply from Hollow
Oct.14.2012
12:44PM EDT
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It is not pompous to want to discuss Buddhism on a forum for Buddhism. |
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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.14.2012
12:48PM EDT
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Who said it is? And what do you want to talk about? |
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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.14.2012
12:57PM EDT
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Would you like to talk about how others could work to ease your suffering? |
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Reply from Hollow
Oct.14.2012
01:28PM EDT
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This thread is about attitude and intention. In light of arguments that I saw, I intended to invite any reader to consider their own attitude.
What do you intend? |
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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.14.2012
01:42PM EDT
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I think you should consider your own attitude. |
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Reply from Hollow
Oct.14.2012
01:45PM EDT
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I do. Is something wrong? |
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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.14.2012
01:47PM EDT
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I dunno, I'm non-Buddhist. |
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Reply from Hollow
Oct.14.2012
01:55PM EDT
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What is your purpose on this forum? |
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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.14.2012
02:02PM EDT
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Your destiny. |
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Reply from esoteric
Oct.14.2012
04:36PM EDT
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Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Trying to imitate those qualities is a fool's errand.
Unless they truly come from inside of you, you are just wasting your time being that way.
So, do we cultivate those qualities or do we radiate those qualities??
"
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Why do you consider it a fool's errand to generate a compassionate attitude? If by doing so, one may refrain from harming oneself and others and ease suffering, the time has not been wasted at all.
The purpose of cultivating the quality of compassion within oneself is just that: if one truly wishes no harm to others, and works toward the cessation of suffering for all sentient beings, then one has the appropriate mindset for skillfully approaching that cessation."
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I didn't say the effort was a waste of time. I said it is a fool's errand to try to imitate something that isn't you.
If compassion is truly in you then releasing it will be right.
But, trying to be someone or something that you are not ... that is a fool making an error.
For instance, when I practice .. I sit. I don't try to be enlightened.
That is not what I am. It is not who I am.
If my practice benefits me then my life may become better.
And through those changes, I may become a more compassionate man.
But, trying to be something or someone which I am not ... doesn't make sense to me.
Then, after the changes my practice allows me to make, I become a better person then the changes will allow for other changes.
This sets up the momentum for having the appropriate mindset for whatever .... hahaha
This what I see ... a man wearing Buddhist robes doesn't make him a Buddha.
Trying to be something you're not ... isn't going to make the changes you are trying ... right.
If the changes start from inside and radiate out ... then we may have a chance at seeing the truth about our nature.
Okay, having said all this, I may be wrong in your eyes. That is okay. As long as I still have a mind ... I can change it for the better ... hahaha
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You talk about compassion like it is just a thing sitting in some people, and only those people who have it should 'release' it to others. To practice compassion is not to determine what you are, or what you are not, or if you have something called compassion inside you somewhere. It is about how you choose to act, toward yourself and others. When you are mindful of the results of your actions and consciously choose that those actions will not bring anyone harm, you are acting with compassion."
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- compassion (n.)
 - from L.L. com- "together" (see com-) + pati "to suffer" (see passion).
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Reply from esoteric
Oct.14.2012
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Quote: "Quote: "Imaginary."
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I will not join you in worthless chatter."
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You already did.
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Reply from Hollow
Oct.14.2012
05:11PM EDT
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How so? |
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Reply from Avisitor
Oct.14.2012
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Quote: "You talk about compassion like it is just a thing sitting in some people, and only those people who have it should 'release' it to others. To practice compassion is not to determine what you are, or what you are not, or if you have something called compassion inside you somewhere. It is about how you choose to act, toward yourself and others. When you are mindful of the results of your actions and consciously choose that those actions will not bring anyone harm, you are acting with compassion."
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I do not argue with your point. I can see its merits.
However, my point is that actions don't mean the act is without attachments.
And, working on oneself first is important ... not just compassionate acts.
But, for the sake of harmony, I bow to your view ... okay???
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Oct.14.2012
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Quote: "Quote: "You talk about compassion like it is just a thing sitting in some people, and only those people who have it should 'release' it to others. To practice compassion is not to determine what you are, or what you are not, or if you have something called compassion inside you somewhere. It is about how you choose to act, toward yourself and others. When you are mindful of the results of your actions and consciously choose that those actions will not bring anyone harm, you are acting with compassion."
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I do not argue with your point. I can see its merits.
However, my point is that actions don't mean the act is without attachments.
And, working on oneself first is important ... not just compassionate acts.
But, for the sake of harmony, I bow to your view ... okay???
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You said the same thing, about the same thing, but call it something different.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.14.2012
06:50PM EDT
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The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Hell is replete with good meanings.
Heaven is replete with good works.
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Reply from BlankName
Oct.14.2012
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Know yourself honestly. |
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