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making that an understanding, is called clinging to the inward view.

Attainment by causes and conditions, practice and realization,
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vertical line Posted on Oct.14.2012 @ 12:53AM EDT by Hollow
I'd like to share one helpful practice I've come up with in being a self-taught meditator; that is, one who has no formal teacher or sangha to study with. Whenever I come across a problem in my practice that I have difficulty overcoming or a concept that I have trouble understanding, I imagine what a person of good understanding may say or do to find a solution. I imagine that this person always speaks and acts skillfully in accordance with the Buddha's teachings, and encounters no difficulty in discerning the truth.

Of course I don't know exactly how such a person may behave, and perhaps what I imagine is not correct. What I value more is the ability to form an opinion internally that is not 'naturally' my own, and to respect this alternate view as a way to help me solve a problem. This dual-perspective works as a way to practice mindfulness of the Path, since I must remember the teachings in order to imagine what one skilled in practicing them may say. It also weakens my attachment to my own level of understanding and subsequent discussion of dharma based on that understanding; if I naturally create an 'other' whose advice I respect, there is less reason for clinging to any insight that I have made. In the end, the master can still show me the path to even better practice.
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line I have to break this communion with this chick. Any suggestions?
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line Quote: "I have to break this communion with this chick. Any suggestions?
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if its a internet woman tell her your computer has a virus and you gotta take it to the shop. let it peter out naturally. she will lost interest. or if its issues with her be kind and help her to face them. so choose.

one is easy the other is hard.


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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line no man, its a soul within soul thing...I feel her presence. Im just looking for a break.
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Reply from so_teh
Oct.14.2012
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vertical line It might just be smart to take the body of Christ amen.
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Reply from leoj99
Oct.14.2012
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vertical line So what does some chick has to do with imaginary masters...lol
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line A chip of holy bread. :) But I think there is a better breakaway.
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line Who knows? My the imaginary masters.
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Oct.14.2012
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line Yeah. Closing this communion is for the best.
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line I think I just tapped into the imaginary masters..lets see where this goes...
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line Hmm, its quarter after 4. Lets just go to bed.
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line Wise idea. Night all.
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line Good night, sit_teh.Have good dreams!
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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.14.2012
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vertical line Well the imaginary people need imaginary masters to return to the forum, in order to be lead along the 8 fold path down a blind alley and into cul-de-sac.
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line This side of imaginary masters ... they yell, "don't fall in" ...
"In what?", I yell back ...
Wait ... who was talking in the first place??
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line The imaginary masters seem to be clutching at a handful of imaginary compassion, in the slipstream and losing downforce.
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Oct.14.2012
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It is said that We all have the potential to become a Buddha.This means we all can achive to have the unsurpassable enlightenment.Superiority is in our way of life.

hope this is related with the topic.

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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line The topic seems to be imaginary, like the Path.
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line So imagine, all the people happy!
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line Fact or fiction, you can't distinguish between them.
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Reply from Hollow
Oct.14.2012
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vertical line Don't be caught up in imagining things. The purpose is to break attachment to one's own opinions.
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line Sit without purpose; sit without ideas of profit.
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line If there is no purpose and nothing to gain, then why sit at all?
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line Nature naturing.
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Oct.14.2012
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Quote: "Fact or fiction, you can't distinguish between them. "
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If you trust your master; trust him.Im drinking a cup of tea now.

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Oct.14.2012
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Quote: "Fact or fiction, you can't distinguish between them. "
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If you trust your master; trust him.Im drinking a cup of tea now.

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Swallow the cup.
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Oct.14.2012
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My tea has already finished! I drink two cup of tea tonight. One for you and one for me!

On the other hand, "Cup is not a thing to eaten."

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Reply from Hollow
Oct.14.2012
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vertical line It was a mistake to look for a sangha here.
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line Quote: "It was a mistake to look for a sangha here."
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Because you didn't find the sangha you wanted?
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Oct.14.2012
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vertical line Quote: "no man, its a soul within soul thing...I feel her presence. Im just looking for a break.
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you got me lost.....a spirit? without body or?


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Oct.14.2012
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Oct.14.2012
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huh bud? you ok? if need be write me a private message so we can talk this out. you have me concerned.

ok?


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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.14.2012
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vertical line Working out your own salvation. Lord, have mercy!
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Oct.14.2012
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Oct.14.2012
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Oct.15.2012
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Quote: Dont be caught up in imagining things. The purpose is to break attachment to ones own opinions.
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Opinions are real, and we all have them, our own point of view.

It is harmful to think them important, or our right to them important,

because that feeds our own sense of importance, reinforcing ego.

I prefer to think of them as happenstance.

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Oct.15.2012
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vertical line Recurring happenstance. Repeating over and over and over.

Hence, "don't get caught up."
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Theres an election a few weeks away, and there is a flurry of Facebook postings, emails, and phone calls coming my way to make sure I vote for the right one.  I dont know which the right one is, but the people sending me messages sure do.

They are very sure that they are right, and their opinion is their God given right, and its important, or so very important....

I dont really like either candidate, or any of them for that matter, so I will just have to *feel it out*.  Whats my opinion, my lowly little opinion that doesnt matter anyway?

Why would anyone want to be a shepherd unless they were out to sheer the sheep ?  Im sure we will get sheered again, as soon as we have grown back enough wool to make it worth the effort.

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Oct.16.2012
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Reply from Chryseis
Oct.17.2012
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Thelonius Sphere Monk:  Dreaming of the Masters Series Vol. 2

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Oct.17.2012
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vertical line just delusion

coeda.
son of the LIVING TRUTH (THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE)
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Oct.22.2012
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vertical line Quote: "no man, its a soul within soul thing...I feel her presence. Im just looking for a break.
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so any resolutions yet?

speak.

tell me what you know.


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Oct.22.2012
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vertical line maybe we BOTH know this.....chick.

haha.
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vertical line to me....just for craps and giggles. and for mere speculation.

she condemns and punishes but yet also rewards.

she catagorizes and defines.

makes distinctions.

doesnt want to be alone.....big time.

is very obsessive/compulsive and just wants to be loved.

and meddles in everyones affairs.

sound familiar?

haha.....just mere speculation is all. and a bit of fun.





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Quote: "to me....just for craps and giggles. and for mere speculation.

she condemns and punishes but yet also rewards.

she catagorizes and defines.

makes distinctions.

doesnt want to be alone.....big time.

is very obsessive/compulsive and just wants to be loved.

and meddles in everyones affairs.

sound familiar?

haha.....just mere speculation is all. and a bit of fun.





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Wheres the like button when you need it ?

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Oct.23.2012
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Quote: "to me....just for craps and giggles. and for mere speculation.

she condemns and punishes but yet also rewards.

she catagorizes and defines.

makes distinctions.

doesnt want to be alone.....big time.

is very obsessive/compulsive and just wants to be loved.

and meddles in everyones affairs.

sound familiar?

haha.....just mere speculation is all. and a bit of fun.





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Wheres the like button when you need it ?

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I concur. :-)
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Quote: "to me....just for craps and giggles. and for mere speculation.

she condemns and punishes but yet also rewards.

she catagorizes and defines.

makes distinctions.

doesnt want to be alone.....big time.

is very obsessive/compulsive and just wants to be loved.

and meddles in everyones affairs.

sound familiar?

haha.....just mere speculation is all. and a bit of fun.





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I concur. :-)
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I concur. :-)
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Edgar Cayce called her *The Lady*, and said she appears at some time to all clairvoyants.

I first met her in a vision, my first vision, at age three.  And not again until seventeen.  Shes been with me daily since then, although our *relationship* has grown considerably faster than my ability to understand it.  I try to keep up, and shes very patient with me.

Ultimately, I have come to understand this as my relationship between myself and My Self.  Or what is called in the Rush song Limelight, *...the real relation, the underlying theme.*  I said to her once, *I hope I dont let you down.*  She answered, *I only wish that you could.*

Everyone has their own relationship between them and their Self.  I am happy with mine.  I wish you all well with yours. 

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Oct.23.2012
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vertical line No relationship.

As long as you are separate, there will be problems.
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vertical line slightly different twist with mine.

now just for mere speculation.

lets say last night and night before ALL my religious convictions were tested. by me i quess or i reflected or whatever.

till finally i said....well to me....god is just the natural beauty of the universe.

then my buzzing in my head stopped. the buzzing been going on for like a year or two.

well it stopped for a bit. like half a hour. then wham bam big time buzzing. never ever like this before. wow.

then i heard.....turn up the volume.

haha.

whatever guys.

i research stuff on how governments have instruments to read minds....inject thought...ace ventura people. he did shows. people had proof and had lesser equipment to verify it.

plus quite a few people that cannot get rid of a buzzing sensation in their head. they were tested.....physco analized....nothing came up.

haha.

then they apologized and what not to me.....my silly little voices. then one of them......yeah...yoooo. YOU.....said we can attack your son. he had the flu shot.

yes the flu shot. a ex gi went on youtube and totally blabbed her mouth on how a government put transmitters in the shot.

whatever.

i cant trust my thoughts. at all.

oh well.

haha.

have a good day.

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Oct.23.2012
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'Cause you're my homey.

Word up, Shayne.
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'Cause you're my homey.

Word up, Shayne.
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whatever man. i was just accused of having shizopherina on top of my bipolar and my shizoaffective disorder. whatever man.

i dont know if your being.....ah.....whats the word......sympathetic and condescending. but whatever.

all i know is my heart was racing many many times and well like....i can combat this crap. all i do is think of peaceful things.

insane shayne.

i quess i should go commit myself.

im sorry.

fishes blowing bubbles,

i love you all. all children. all life.

this world is ours.....the meek.

fishes blowing bubbles.

woo hoo....she gonna save me guys.

haha.


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I suppose I could be paranoid, but Im not important enough for anyone to target.

Sure there are crooks out there, sociopathic predators, who will take advantage of anyone they can.  But they are not out to get me personally.  All you can do about them is keep an eye out, and lock your doors and windows.

One day, walking across the street toward my rented parking spot by the subway station, a helicopter flew over at a very low altitude, and I had the feeling it had to do with me.  As I got to the parking lot , I noticed the helicopter, blue and white with no markings, was hovering on the other side of it, about 50 yards away, and had its side door open. 

I paused to look at it, just standing there, wondering what it would feel like to be shot, and then it flew off.  It was a weird feeling, but there was no objective evidence to support that the helicopter had anything to do with me.  So I just shrugged my shoulders and drove away.

My advice, Shayne, would be to just blow off any ideas about anyone targeting you personally.  Why would they ?  Cause youre psychic ?  There are lots of us, and we are not a particular danger to *the establishment*.  Oh, maybe you are, in which case maybe you better watch your ass.

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vertical line and she posted on facebook to my question.

is fishes blowing bubbles real?

her response.

indeed it is as far as i know.

they stinking attacked me,

period.

they apologized.

and you DONT want to know my response.....it might make headline news.

maybe just maybe......they WILL believe.

i am not a god. i am not jesus. i am stinking shayne though.

i have a mind.

and i will use it.

long live jesus and mohammeed and all the others. for we the meek WILL inherait this earth.,.....all of us.

i am shayne.

one of many.

i so so rock. so does she.

word of caution. touch me or mine.........fury.

period.

alan.......please please do not delete.

i beg.

stand your ground. let it stand as is.

i beg.

sorry.


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Oct.23.2012
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vertical line yuck. went to bed with it. got up with it.

my left nostril is throbbing. pinpoint targeting.

like im gonna get a massive nose bleed.


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haha...yeah....her.


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vertical line edger cayce....smart....clairavoyant.....but life is NOT predicted for us. period. dont care. he just wasnt smart enough to detach. and in the end.,....he had a stroke. so. but aware of it he was. hahahhaha.
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Quote: "edger cayce....smart....clairavoyant.....but life is NOT predicted for us. period. dont care. he just wasnt smart enough to detach. and in the end.,....he had a stroke. so. but aware of it he was. hahahhaha. "
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Cayce went into meditation to help people.  There were so many requests, and he had a hard time saying no to people in distress.

So against the advice of everyone around him, who could see that his meditative efforts were taking a physical toll, he insisted on helping people as much as he could.

And then his body gave out and he died.  Not too smart ?  Probably not....

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Quote: "edger cayce....smart....clairavoyant.....but life is NOT predicted for us. period. dont care. he just wasnt smart enough to detach. and in the end.,....he had a stroke. so. but aware of it he was. hahahhaha. "
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Cayce went into meditation to help people.  There were so many requests, and he had a hard time saying no to people in distress.

So against the advice of everyone around him, who could see that his meditative efforts were taking a physical toll, he insisted on helping people as much as he could.

And then his body gave out and he died.  Not too smart ?  Probably not....

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yes ive read this too.

im not saying he was a bad man but me.......i wanna keep my distance. period.


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