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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: GOOD FOR NOTHING BEINGS.
vertical line Posted on Oct.20.2012 @ 04:45AM EDT by leoj99
Many beings say in Zen Forums that they don't want to be enlightened.
When they do zazen don't do anything.. just watch your thoughts rise and fall. everything is done. .. you are already enlightened...they just don't want to do anything... they don't even risk of making actions.

Isn't beings like these are good for nothing beings? lol



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Oct.20.2012
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vertical line ^A two-fold dimension of being.
Like with like.
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Oct.20.2012
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vertical line Or they are just lazy beings...lol.. they don't want to do a thing..
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Oct.20.2012
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vertical line What have you done?
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Oct.20.2012
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vertical line I'm going to pick blackberries.
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Oct.20.2012
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vertical line Leaves have fallen all around. Time I was on my way.

Got a place to find, and a girl to see.
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Oct.20.2012
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vertical line And things to do. And things to do.
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Oct.20.2012
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vertical line I'm going to bake an apple and blackberry pie.
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Oct.20.2012
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vertical line My housemate baked an apple pie. Winesap. Time for lunch.
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Oct.20.2012
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vertical line Correction from the baker: They're not Winesap, they're Mutsu.

The pie doesn't know the difference.
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Oct.20.2012
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vertical line Time to eat: chickpea and butternut squash stew with rice and naan; apple and blackberry pie.
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Oct.20.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Time to eat: chickpea and butternut squash stew with rice and naan; apple and blackberry pie. "
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Heavenly!
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Oct.20.2012
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vertical line Many beings say in Zen Forums that they don't want to be enlightened.
When they do zazen don't do anything.. just watch your thoughts rise and fall. everything is done. .. you are already enlightened...they just don't want to do anything... they don't even risk of making actions.

Isn't beings like these are good for nothing beings? lol


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If you talk from your point of view then some may not understand.
Does it make you any less wise??

I would say to have some compassion. Love first then judge.

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Oct.20.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Many beings say in Zen Forums that they don't want to be enlightened.
When they do zazen don't do anything.. just watch your thoughts rise and fall. everything is done. .. you are already enlightened...they just don't want to do anything... they don't even risk of making actions.

Isn't beings like these are good for nothing beings? lol


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If you talk from your point of view then some may not understand.
Does it make you any less wise??

I would say to have some compassion. Love first then judge.

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You would say a lot of things. From your point of view.
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Oct.20.2012
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vertical line And then they are afraid of the Kyosaku.. they may even big guys afraid of the kyosaku...lol
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Oct.20.2012
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vertical line Isn't it so funny...lol
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Oct.20.2012
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vertical line Just keep laughing.
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Oct.20.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Just keep laughing. "
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So why do why do you think some beings laugh when they get enlightened.. they laugh and laugh...

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So why do why do you think some beings laugh when they get enlightened.. they laugh and laugh...

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Experience it for yourself and you will understand .... hahahaha
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Oct.21.2012
09:41AM EDT 
vertical line Hahahahaha's the sign that makes your verification possible and vice-versa.
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Oct.21.2012
11:10AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Just keep laughing. "
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So why do why do you think some beings laugh when they get enlightened.. they laugh and laugh...

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Experience it for yourself and you will understand .... hahahaha
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I don't think anyone the the Zen Forums experienced it yet..lol
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Oct.21.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Just keep laughing. "
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So why do why do you think some beings laugh when they get enlightened.. they laugh and laugh...

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Experience it for yourself and you will understand .... hahahaha
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I don't think anyone the the Zen Forums experienced it yet..lol
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You can't experience it.
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vertical line Quote: "I don't think anyone the the Zen Forums experienced it yet..lol
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Yes, I see your doubts. Why not believe in the impossible??
Since you are here yourself .. believing it may be possible for you??

Does Joshua's dog have Buddha nature??
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Oct.21.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "I don't think anyone the the Zen Forums experienced it yet..lol
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Yes, I see your doubts. Why not believe in the impossible??
Since you are here yourself .. believing it may be possible for you??

Does Joshua's dog have Buddha nature??
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hahaha.. Did it not occur to you yet that Zen has nothing to do with believing of any kind...lol
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Oct.21.2012
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vertical line Believing is what beings usually do as shortcut of doing....lol
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Oct.21.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "I don't think anyone the the Zen Forums experienced it yet..lol
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Yes, I see your doubts. Why not believe in the impossible??
Since you are here yourself .. believing it may be possible for you??

Does Joshua's dog have Buddha nature??
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Are you implying that you have the experience already...lol.. no way...hahaha..
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Oct.21.2012
03:08PM EDT 
vertical line This topic is for those who think they are already enlightened without doing anything...lol
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Oct.21.2012
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vertical line Quote: "This topic is for those who think they are already enlightened without doing anything...lol "
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They don't even want to stop their thoughts rise and falls...lol..they just watch it forever...lol
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Oct.21.2012
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vertical line This topic is for you. You couldn't stop if you tried.
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Oct.21.2012
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vertical line Wow... I noticed that this Zen Forum is the No. 1 zen forum in my browser... It used to be just always a second feeder...lol
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Oct.21.2012
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vertical line Keep watching it. Forever.
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Oct.21.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Keep watching it. Forever."
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Maybe I could write a song.... Keep Watching Forever.....lol
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Oct.21.2012
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Oct.21.2012
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vertical line They even quote Dogen: .."Do not think of good or bad...."

But they refused to accept that ..what Dogen is saying is... Stop thinking of those craps....lol
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Oct.21.2012
03:52PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "They even quote Dogen: .."Do not think of good or bad...."

But they refused to accept that ..what Dogen is saying is... Stop thinking of those craps....lol
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They say just watch your thoughts of good or bad things... just watch them rise and fall forever...lol

Aren't they get tired or bored?
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Oct.21.2012
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vertical line Is that what he said? Stop thinking of those craps?
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Oct.21.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Is that what he said? Stop thinking of those craps?"
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Nope.. but thats mine... good or bad are just nothing but craps...lol
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Oct.21.2012
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vertical line Well, you bore Dogen, now you're boring me.
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Oct.21.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Well, you bore Dogen, now you're boring me. "
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Well I think that is good for you...lol
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Oct.21.2012
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If I bore people isn't that a good sign...lol
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Oct.21.2012
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vertical line Boring.
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Oct.21.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Boring."
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Well I noticed all those so many boring topics in this Forum...lol
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Oct.21.2012
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vertical line It's all down to you - you're just boring.
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Oct.21.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Boring."
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Is this your first time to get bored in this Forum...lol
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Oct.21.2012
04:06PM EDT 
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Is this your first time to get bored in this Forum...lol
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What a revelation....
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Oct.21.2012
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vertical line Zen Man?
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Oct.21.2012
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vertical line "They even quote Dogen" [wring!!], but I just fabricate Dogen quotes.

I mean, why quote Dogen when you can get enlightened by fabricating Dogen craps forever, lol?

It's
What Dogen did really say
About how thay went astray

constantlay thay
in the sayme categray
as yay dayn't knay
and Ay day

Or

Everything you ever wanted to know but were afraid to pro-test. Just ask!

~ Attributable
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vertical line Doing nothing, get so fat that when you're around, you're really AROUND.
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Oct.21.2012
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vertical line Wow it seems this Forum is getting very active..lol
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vertical line hahaha.. Did it not occur to you yet that Zen has nothing to do with believing of any kind...lol

Yes, Zen does require a little faith.
But, you are not there yet.



Are you implying that you have the experience already...lol.. no way...hahaha..

No, I would never say I have had any such experience.
Would you??
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Oct.22.2012
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Quote: "hahaha.. Did it not occur to you yet that Zen has nothing to do with believing of any kind...lol

Yes, Zen does require a little faith.
But, you are not there yet.



Are you implying that you have the experience already...lol.. no way...hahaha..

No, I would never say I have had any such experience.
Would you??
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I think people should just be honest.  I know people who are awakened and write books and make speaches around the world because of it.  And others who are awakend and deny it, like its some kind of disease that they dont want to admit having.

If you have had a kensho experience, you may wonder about it.  But if you have had a satori or nirvana experience there is no doubt about it.  Even if others dont believe you that makes little difference to you personally, as their awakening has nothing to do with yours, and they can take it or leave it, just the same either way.  No difference.

I came to this site years ago to meet other awakened people, and I have, here, and elsewhere.  My fatther and I talked at length about it after he became awakened.  Those discussions are enough for me, regardless of the *opinions* of other people, some of whom even say there is no such thing as awakening.  How would they know ? 

Its a phenomena that has been reported by a few people throughout recorded history.  It can happen to anyone, at any time, sort of like being struck by lightening. Its unpredictable.  My father was intensely opposed to anything metaphysical, being a devout Catholic, and yet it came to him anyway.   For some people, it seems, if it hasnt come to them then they dont want anyone else to have it either.

What should interest people here is that most of the people Ive met here who are awakened dont post here regularly.  Some have gone away and not come back.  Others drop in briefly from time to time, post a few lines, and they are gone again.  Its like they are visiting doctors to a leper colony.  The want to help, but dont want to risk too much exposure.

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Oct.22.2012
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vertical line When truly awakened, there is no such thing as "too much exposure."
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Quote: "Killing time in the leper colony ... "
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I dont know why the others dont spend more time here.  I like it.

Of course, the last time I said that, and that I sometimes find a nugget here, esoteric called me a crap nugget, again.

But I really dont care. I am me, and you are you, and thats fine.

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Oct.22.2012
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vertical line I didn't call you a crap nugget. That was Shayne.

I said we're all crap nuggets, leaving our crap nuggets here on the Zen Guide. LOL
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Oct.22.2012
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Quote: "hahaha.. Did it not occur to you yet that Zen has nothing to do with believing of any kind...lol

Yes, Zen does require a little faith.
But, you are not there yet.



Are you implying that you have the experience already...lol.. no way...hahaha..

No, I would never say I have had any such experience.
Would you??
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I think people should just be honest.  I know people who are awakened and write books and make speaches around the world because of it.  And others who are awakend and deny it, like its some kind of disease that they dont want to admit having.

If you have had a kensho experience, you may wonder about it.  But if you have had a satori or nirvana experience there is no doubt about it.  Even if others dont believe you that makes little difference to you personally, as their awakening has nothing to do with yours, and they can take it or leave it, just the same either way.  No difference.

I came to this site years ago to meet other awakened people, and I have, here, and elsewhere.  My fatther and I talked at length about it after he became awakened.  Those discussions are enough for me, regardless of the *opinions* of other people, some of whom even say there is no such thing as awakening.  How would they know ? 

Its a phenomena that has been reported by a few people throughout recorded history.  It can happen to anyone, at any time, sort of like being struck by lightening. Its unpredictable.  My father was intensely opposed to anything metaphysical, being a devout Catholic, and yet it came to him anyway.   For some people, it seems, if it hasnt come to them then they dont want anyone else to have it either.

What should interest people here is that most of the people Ive met here who are awakened dont post here regularly.  Some have gone away and not come back.  Others drop in briefly from time to time, post a few lines, and they are gone again.  Its like they are visiting doctors to a leper colony.  The want to help, but dont want to risk too much exposure.

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An enlightened being recognize easily who is enlightened. An unenlightened being can never recognize one. An enlightened being usually don't proclaim he is enlightened. An unenlightened being recognize unenlightened beings are enlightened...lol
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An enlightened being recognize easily who is enlightened. An unenlightened being can never recognize one. An enlightened being usually don't proclaim he is enlightened. An unenlightened being recognize unenlightened beings are enlightened...lol
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I dont believe this to be true.  The world is full of buddhas, but many keep their mouths shut about it because it invites scorn or ridicule from those who are unawakened, because their fragile egos become offended thinking someone is ahead of them or above them.

But awakening is neither ahead nor above.  Awakening transcends the ego assessments of ahead or above, making them meaningless.  To someone who is awakened there is no ahead or above, there just is IS.  So then someone says *Youre claiming to be ahead and above, so your ego must be really jacked up*.  And the awakened person responds, *No, thats your own ego you are listening to.  I just am me, just as you are just you.*

Its not always easy to spot other awakened people.  And its not a static condition either, as growth goes on forever.  But I am more comfortable with them than anyone else.  Like were in the same club or something.

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Oct.23.2012
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Quote: "Jesus said it to the leper colony in your head. "
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So this leper said to me, *Hey, man, need a hand.*  And then gave me one.

Lepers dont need corn pads.  They just fall off, with the rest of the toe.

These jokes really made the leper raise an eyebrow, and put it back on with scotch tape.

I am sorry about the reference to the forum as a leper colony.  I dont know why some other awakened people I know dont post here more often.  But I like it, even when it is contentious, its still interesting.

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An enlightened being recognize easily who is enlightened. An unenlightened being can never recognize one. An enlightened being usually don't proclaim he is enlightened. An unenlightened being recognize unenlightened beings are enlightened...lol
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I dont believe this to be true.  The world is full of buddhas, but many keep their mouths shut about it because it invites scorn or ridicule from those who are unawakened, because their fragile egos become offended thinking someone is ahead of them or above them.

But awakening is neither ahead nor above.  Awakening transcends the ego assessments of ahead or above, making them meaningless.  To someone who is awakened there is no ahead or above, there just is IS.  So then someone says *Youre claiming to be ahead and above, so your ego must be really jacked up*.  And the awakened person responds, *No, thats your own ego you are listening to.  I just am me, just as you are just you.*

Its not always easy to spot other awakened people.  And its not a static condition either, as growth goes on forever.  But I am more comfortable with them than anyone else.  Like were in the same club or something.

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Sounds like you met some buddhas with fragile egos, blown by the winds of ridicule and scorn.

Paper buddhas.
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Oct.23.2012
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vertical line When I first saw the film Amongst White Clouds, I was impressed with the serenity and composure of the hermit monks in the Zhongnan Mountains. But something did not seem right.

There is one old monk who has spent decades in his temple. He has a young acolyte who he sends to the city for supplies. The acolyte talks about how disturbing it is to be among the people there, and says that when he comes back, it takes a week of meditation to remove the taint of their impurity.

That's when I realized that those hermit monks haven't learned a damned thing about being free. But they sure as hell know how to run away from being human and waking up to their own freedom.
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Oct.23.2012
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Oct.24.2012
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Oct.24.2012
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It is the same thing... only an enlightened being can understand enlightened beings...
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Reply from justin
Oct.24.2012
04:02AM EDT 
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It is the same thing... only an enlightened being can understand enlightened beings...
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Haha no it can't be !!!! :)
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Oct.24.2012
04:04AM EDT 
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Oct.24.2012
04:12AM EDT 
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Oct.24.2012
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An enlightened being recognize easily who is enlightened. An unenlightened being can never recognize one. An enlightened being usually don't proclaim he is enlightened. An unenlightened being recognize unenlightened beings are enlightened...lol
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I dont believe this to be true.  The world is full of buddhas, but many keep their mouths shut about it because it invites scorn or ridicule from those who are unawakened, because their fragile egos become offended thinking someone is ahead of them or above them.

But awakening is neither ahead nor above.  Awakening transcends the ego assessments of ahead or above, making them meaningless.  To someone who is awakened there is no ahead or above, there just is IS.  So then someone says *Youre claiming to be ahead and above, so your ego must be really jacked up*.  And the awakened person responds, *No, thats your own ego you are listening to.  I just am me, just as you are just you.*

Its not always easy to spot other awakened people.  And its not a static condition either, as growth goes on forever.  But I am more comfortable with them than anyone else.  Like were in the same club or something.

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Sounds like you met some buddhas with fragile egos, blown by the winds of ridicule and scorn.

Paper buddhas.
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Sounds like you met some buddhas with fragile egos, blown by the winds of ridicule and scorn.

Paper buddhas.
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I have met some here who are awakened and deny it.  Yet they rarely hang around, where judgemental people can hit them with sticks of scorn and ridicule, calling them paper buddhas.  Why should they ?  They have nothing to gain here.

I on the other hand dont care what you think.  You are not awakened so *esoteric* is the paper one, who will fade away into another life with another ego.  According to the scriptures, the awakened will be free from the wheel of birth and rebirth.

I doubt you will become awakened, at least in this lifetime, because you do not have a fragile ego.  Yours is very sturdy, very strong.  It will no doubt hold up.

But then I used to have a stronger ego too.  I had what could be considered a satori experience at 17, but my ego was so strong I breezed right past it.  I did consider it to be a miracle I had witnessed, there being no rational explanation for it, but I didnt see what had been shown to me.

In many of the satori experiences that have been shared with me, a common theme is *humility*.  If you dont have that, I dont think you will be joining our club any time soon.

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Oct.24.2012
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Oct.24.2012
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Oct.24.2012
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An enlightened being recognize easily who is enlightened. An unenlightened being can never recognize one. An enlightened being usually don't proclaim he is enlightened. An unenlightened being recognize unenlightened beings are enlightened...lol
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I dont believe this to be true.  The world is full of buddhas, but many keep their mouths shut about it because it invites scorn or ridicule from those who are unawakened, because their fragile egos become offended thinking someone is ahead of them or above them.

But awakening is neither ahead nor above.  Awakening transcends the ego assessments of ahead or above, making them meaningless.  To someone who is awakened there is no ahead or above, there just is IS.  So then someone says *Youre claiming to be ahead and above, so your ego must be really jacked up*.  And the awakened person responds, *No, thats your own ego you are listening to.  I just am me, just as you are just you.*

Its not always easy to spot other awakened people.  And its not a static condition either, as growth goes on forever.  But I am more comfortable with them than anyone else.  Like were in the same club or something.

"
.........

Sounds like you met some buddhas with fragile egos, blown by the winds of ridicule and scorn.

Paper buddhas.
"
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"
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Sounds like you met some buddhas with fragile egos, blown by the winds of ridicule and scorn.

Paper buddhas.
"
.........

I have met some here who are awakened and deny it.  Yet they rarely hang around, where judgemental people can hit them with sticks of scorn and ridicule, calling them paper buddhas.  Why should they ?  They have nothing to gain here.

I on the other hand dont care what you think.  You are not awakened so *esoteric* is the paper one, who will fade away into another life with another ego.  According to the scriptures, the awakened will be free from the wheel of birth and rebirth.

I doubt you will become awakened, at least in this lifetime, because you do not have a fragile ego.  Yours is very sturdy, very strong.  It will no doubt hold up.

But then I used to have a stronger ego too.  I had what could be considered a satori experience at 17, but my ego was so strong I breezed right past it.  I did consider it to be a miracle I had witnessed, there being no rational explanation for it, but I didnt see what had been shown to me.

In many of the satori experiences that have been shared with me, a common theme is *humility*.  If you dont have that, I dont think you will be joining our club any time soon.

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False humility, Mr. "I've done this and I can do that, and I am this and you are not."

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Oct.24.2012
11:50AM EDT 
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Oct.24.2012
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of course it is, i would have thought it was so painfully obvious as not to warrent identifying. i am sorry it is my home grown sarcasm.
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Oct.25.2012
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An enlightened being recognize easily who is enlightened. An unenlightened being can never recognize one. An enlightened being usually don't proclaim he is enlightened. An unenlightened being recognize unenlightened beings are enlightened...lol
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I dont believe this to be true.  The world is full of buddhas, but many keep their mouths shut about it because it invites scorn or ridicule from those who are unawakened, because their fragile egos become offended thinking someone is ahead of them or above them.

But awakening is neither ahead nor above.  Awakening transcends the ego assessments of ahead or above, making them meaningless.  To someone who is awakened there is no ahead or above, there just is IS.  So then someone says *Youre claiming to be ahead and above, so your ego must be really jacked up*.  And the awakened person responds, *No, thats your own ego you are listening to.  I just am me, just as you are just you.*

Its not always easy to spot other awakened people.  And its not a static condition either, as growth goes on forever.  But I am more comfortable with them than anyone else.  Like were in the same club or something.

"
.........

Sounds like you met some buddhas with fragile egos, blown by the winds of ridicule and scorn.

Paper buddhas.
"
.........

"
.........

Sounds like you met some buddhas with fragile egos, blown by the winds of ridicule and scorn.

Paper buddhas.
"
.........

I have met some here who are awakened and deny it.  Yet they rarely hang around, where judgemental people can hit them with sticks of scorn and ridicule, calling them paper buddhas.  Why should they ?  They have nothing to gain here.

I on the other hand dont care what you think.  You are not awakened so *esoteric* is the paper one, who will fade away into another life with another ego.  According to the scriptures, the awakened will be free from the wheel of birth and rebirth.

I doubt you will become awakened, at least in this lifetime, because you do not have a fragile ego.  Yours is very sturdy, very strong.  It will no doubt hold up.

But then I used to have a stronger ego too.  I had what could be considered a satori experience at 17, but my ego was so strong I breezed right past it.  I did consider it to be a miracle I had witnessed, there being no rational explanation for it, but I didnt see what had been shown to me.

In many of the satori experiences that have been shared with me, a common theme is *humility*.  If you dont have that, I dont think you will be joining our club any time soon.

"
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False humility, Mr. "I've done this and I can do that, and I am this and you are not."
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False humility, Mr. "I've done this and I can do that, and I am this and you are not."
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You are not.  Simple fact.  Good luck.

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Oct.25.2012
06:31AM EDT 
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Oct.25.2012
11:00AM EDT 
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vertical line bacon lettuce tomato sandwich yum for you joe chip
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Oct.25.2012
02:11PM EDT 
vertical line Hello zenmanstan.
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Oct.26.2012
06:04AM EDT 
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Oct.26.2012
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Isn't beans like these are good for nothing beans? lol

Try adding some bacon, for flavor.
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Oct.27.2012
07:30PM EDT 
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vertical line my brother cooked breakfast this morning, hes 13 so it was a special surprise. it was quite tasty, im working on becoming more of the wind and not saying nothing so much. plus i want a girlfriend
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