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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: IS LONG TALKS GOOD IN ZEN?
vertical line Posted on Oct.21.2012 @ 08:30PM EDT by leoj99
Is making long talks or a dissertation in Zen good Zen practice?

Like I noticed in different forums they always make long posts which seems to make confused matters more confused.

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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.21.2012
08:37PM EDT 
vertical line Fail.
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Reply from Avisitor
Oct.21.2012
08:41PM EDT 
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vertical line Here I come to save the day
That means mighty mouse is on the way
When there is a wrong to right
Mighty mouse will join the fight .... hehehe
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Reply from football
Oct.21.2012
08:45PM EDT 
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Long talks long ways.

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Reply from esoteric
Oct.21.2012
09:05PM EDT 
vertical line Shut up and sit.

And keep your eyes open and your back straight.
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Reply from leoj99
Oct.21.2012
09:10PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Shut up and sit.

And keep your eyes open and your back straight.
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Yeah, that is precisely what I'm talking about..lol
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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.21.2012
09:14PM EDT 
vertical line Not walking about.
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Reply from football
Oct.21.2012
09:19PM EDT 
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vertical line I was passing through so come by.(incur)
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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.21.2012
09:24PM EDT 
vertical line Now you're talking.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.22.2012
05:50AM EDT 
vertical line Passerby walking. Over all de teacup talk of zen.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.23.2012
07:47AM EDT 
vertical line Pop Muzik
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Reply from starduster
Oct.23.2012
08:54AM EDT 
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Quote: "Shut up and sit.

And keep your eyes open and your back straight.
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Especially if you are doing walking zazen, but not if you are doing lying zazen.  Standing zazen optional.

The other day I was doing meeting zazen.  In this case, you keep your eyes on the speaker at all times, and let your mind go blank.  A slight smile is good too.  They really think youre paying attention.  ha ha.

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Reply from esoteric
Oct.23.2012
09:11AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "

Quote: "Shut up and sit.

And keep your eyes open and your back straight.
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Especially if you are doing walking zazen, but not if you are doing lying zazen.  Standing zazen optional.

The other day I was doing meeting zazen.  In this case, you keep your eyes on the speaker at all times, and let your mind go blank.  A slight smile is good too.  They really think youre paying attention.  ha ha.

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If you were really doing meeting zazen, then you would have been paying attention. :-)
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Reply from esoteric
Oct.23.2012
09:15AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "

The other day I was doing meeting zazen.  In this case, you keep your eyes on the speaker at all times, and let your mind go blank.  A slight smile is good too.  They really think youre paying attention.  ha ha.

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You fell asleep in the meeting. That's no good. LOL
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Reply from QuantumZen
Oct.23.2012
09:28AM EDT 
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vertical line Those who know it, don't talk about it. Those who talk about it, don't know it. When two zen masters meet, they need no introduction, when two thieves meet, they know it at once.

I think descriptions of zen practice in books or lectures (or long forum posts) are ok for beginners. How else would you start. But if you are rally into zen, then silence should be your virtue. As Ludwig Wittgenstein wrote "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent".
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Reply from esoteric
Oct.23.2012
09:38AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Those who know it, don't talk about it. Those who talk about it, don't know it. When two zen masters meet, they need no introduction, when two thieves meet, they know it at once.

I think descriptions of zen practice in books or lectures (or long forum posts) are ok for beginners. How else would you start. But if you are rally into zen, then silence should be your virtue. As Ludwig Wittgenstein wrote "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent".
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If you meet a hungry man, give him something to eat.

If you are asked to speak, then speak.

An empty cup will not help a thirsty soul.

A silent temple has no Buddha.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.23.2012
11:19AM EDT 
vertical line Like with like.
Fire sees fire.
Love knows Love.

The Principle recognising only the Principle.

A symbol is pointed to only by that which symbolises with it.
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Reply from starduster
Oct.24.2012
06:50AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "

Quote: "Shut up and sit.

And keep your eyes open and your back straight.
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Especially if you are doing walking zazen, but not if you are doing lying zazen.  Standing zazen optional.

The other day I was doing meeting zazen.  In this case, you keep your eyes on the speaker at all times, and let your mind go blank.  A slight smile is good too.  They really think youre paying attention.  ha ha.

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If you were really doing meeting zazen, then you would have been paying attention. :-)
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If you were really doing meeting zazen, then you would have been paying attention. :-)
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*doing zazen* is a contradiction in terms.  Zazen is not-doing.

I wasnt paying attention.  Aside from smiling slightly, so as to have endorphins going on an autonomic level, I wasnt doing anything.  I wasnt listening to the words passing me by, they just went by, or watching the scene as it unfolded before me, it just unfolded, etc,

You poor fool.  You still think zazen is doing something, trapped in a loop of cause and effect duality.  Even paying attention is too much to do.  Just be, thats all, just be.

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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.24.2012
07:05AM EDT 
vertical line He's quite a man - in his spare time, he studies the universe.
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Reply from starduster
Oct.24.2012
09:04AM EDT 
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Sometimes.

Sometimes not a man at all.

Sometimes a disembodied awareness.

Sometimes another type of creature altogether.

Depends on where, when, and why.

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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.24.2012
10:10AM EDT 
vertical line Slow Action
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Reply from esoteric
Oct.24.2012
06:48PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "

Quote: "Shut up and sit.

And keep your eyes open and your back straight.
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Especially if you are doing walking zazen, but not if you are doing lying zazen.  Standing zazen optional.

The other day I was doing meeting zazen.  In this case, you keep your eyes on the speaker at all times, and let your mind go blank.  A slight smile is good too.  They really think youre paying attention.  ha ha.

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If you were really doing meeting zazen, then you would have been paying attention. :-)
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If you were really doing meeting zazen, then you would have been paying attention. :-)
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*doing zazen* is a contradiction in terms.  Zazen is not-doing.

I wasnt paying attention.  Aside from smiling slightly, so as to have endorphins going on an autonomic level, I wasnt doing anything.  I wasnt listening to the words passing me by, they just went by, or watching the scene as it unfolded before me, it just unfolded, etc,

You poor fool.  You still think zazen is doing something, trapped in a loop of cause and effect duality.  Even paying attention is too much to do.  Just be, thats all, just be.

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This poor fool listens in meetings, speaks when he's spoken to, eats when he's hungry, and sleeps when he's tired. When the body sits, the body sits. When the mind sits, the mind sits. In attention, nothing passes by.

So, you want to fall asleep in meetings, or while driving, or while sitting, go right ahead. Asleep is not awake.
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Reply from starduster
Oct.25.2012
04:05AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "

Quote: "Shut up and sit.

And keep your eyes open and your back straight.
"
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Especially if you are doing walking zazen, but not if you are doing lying zazen.  Standing zazen optional.

The other day I was doing meeting zazen.  In this case, you keep your eyes on the speaker at all times, and let your mind go blank.  A slight smile is good too.  They really think youre paying attention.  ha ha.

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If you were really doing meeting zazen, then you would have been paying attention. :-)
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If you were really doing meeting zazen, then you would have been paying attention. :-)
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*doing zazen* is a contradiction in terms.  Zazen is not-doing.

I wasnt paying attention.  Aside from smiling slightly, so as to have endorphins going on an autonomic level, I wasnt doing anything.  I wasnt listening to the words passing me by, they just went by, or watching the scene as it unfolded before me, it just unfolded, etc,

You poor fool.  You still think zazen is doing something, trapped in a loop of cause and effect duality.  Even paying attention is too much to do.  Just be, thats all, just be.

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This poor fool listens in meetings, speaks when he's spoken to, eats when he's hungry, and sleeps when he's tired. When the body sits, the body sits. When the mind sits, the mind sits. In attention, nothing passes by.

So, you want to fall asleep in meetings, or while driving, or while sitting, go right ahead. Asleep is not awake.
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This poor fool listens in meetings, speaks when he's spoken to, eats when he's hungry, and sleeps when he's tired. When the body sits, the body sits. When the mind sits, the mind sits. In attention, nothing passes by.

So, you want to fall asleep in meetings, or while driving, or while sitting, go right ahead. Asleep is not awake.
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This poor fool knows how to *do* everything in exactly the correct way,

except *not-doing*.  He cant do *not-doing* at all.  What a pity.

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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.25.2012
07:18AM EDT 
vertical line One Long Pair Of Eyes
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Reply from leoj99
Mar.30.2013
11:10PM EDT 
vertical line So long talks are still good in Zen?
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Reply from boymonk
Apr.03.2013
05:13PM EDT 
vertical line Long walks are good in Zen. They can help clear the mind.
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Reply from football
Apr.03.2013
05:26PM EDT 
Email football
vertical line exactly.This is where we came as a conclusion.
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Reply from cinchona
Apr.03.2013
09:08PM EDT 
vertical line you don't have to go far. just put a ukulele in your hands and step to the rhythm.
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