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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE
vertical line Posted on Oct.23.2012 @ 04:09AM EDT by leoj99
The truth will set you free.

So many people always say the truth will set you free.
Many people are always talking about the truth.
 
Yet if you ask them what truth will set you free?
What truth are you talking about.
They can not tell what truth that will set you free. What truth are they talking about.

Wondering why they know yet they cannot tell what  truth is that.




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Reply from starduster
Oct.23.2012
04:38AM EDT 
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It doesnt matter.  That is what sets you free, simply that it doesnt matter.

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Reply from leoj99
Oct.23.2012
04:52AM EDT 
vertical line Why not? ....lol
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Reply from leoj99
Oct.23.2012
04:53AM EDT 
vertical line Why does so many people are always talking about it if it does not matter....lol
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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.23.2012
05:52AM EDT 
vertical line Relax baby.
Baby relax.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.23.2012
05:57AM EDT 
vertical line It's the secret of secrets.
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Reply from starduster
Oct.23.2012
07:04AM EDT 
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Quote: "Why not? ....lol "
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*Infinite and eternal hopelessness* is a solution in itself.

Why wouldnt little Alvie do his homework ?  Because the universe is expanding and one day will end, so whats the point ?  It doesnt matter.

Why didnt I do my homework ?  Because everyone got the same little diploma regardless of whether they had an A average or a D average, and I could get a D average without doing homework.  It didnt matter. (But I had a B average in college, because that did matter, or at least I thought so at the time.)

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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.23.2012
07:13AM EDT 
vertical line The road is my home.
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Reply from esoteric
Oct.23.2012
08:50AM EDT 
vertical line "Just like this" is truth. But not truth

"Like this" is truth. But not truth.

"This" is truth. But not truth.

Here. I'm drinking a cup of coffee. Have some.
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Reply from esoteric
Oct.23.2012
08:51AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Why does so many people are always talking about it if it does not matter....lol "
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Because he's lying to you.
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Reply from starduster
Oct.23.2012
09:06AM EDT 
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Quote: "Why does so many people are always talking about it if it does not matter....lol "
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Around here there is still a lot of wilderness area.  Anyone can go there and live if they want to, if they can live off the land.  So thats about as bad as things can get.

Yet many people say they are only one or two paychecks away from being homeless, and this causes them concern.  They worry.

It doesnt matter if people talk about how it doesnt matter if people talk about how it doesnt matter.  It still doesnt matter.

During the Holocaust, some Jews went to the Ghetto as they were told, then to the rail station, the camp, and the gas chamber, just as they were told to do.  Some others escaped into the woods, and lived there until the war was over.

When I was growing up, being abused by mom and my brother, I joined boy scouts as soon as I was old enough, at ten, and by age eleven I knew I could escape into the woods and live off the land if I wanted to.  I considered it many times, but in the cost/benefit analysis of the time, I would have to give up too much to make it worthwhile.

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Reply from esoteric
Oct.23.2012
11:09PM EDT 
vertical line Because it matters.
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Reply from leoj99
Oct.24.2012
12:26AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "

Quote: "Why does so many people are always talking about it if it does not matter....lol "
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Around here there is still a lot of wilderness area.  Anyone can go there and live if they want to, if they can live off the land.  So thats about as bad as things can get.

Yet many people say they are only one or two paychecks away from being homeless, and this causes them concern.  They worry.

It doesnt matter if people talk about how it doesnt matter if people talk about how it doesnt matter.  It still doesnt matter.

During the Holocaust, some Jews went to the Ghetto as they were told, then to the rail station, the camp, and the gas chamber, just as they were told to do.  Some others escaped into the woods, and lived there until the war was over.

When I was growing up, being abused by mom and my brother, I joined boy scouts as soon as I was old enough, at ten, and by age eleven I knew I could escape into the woods and live off the land if I wanted to.  I considered it many times, but in the cost/benefit analysis of the time, I would have to give up too much to make it worthwhile.

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It seems you are living in the past.

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Reply from esoteric
Oct.24.2012
01:21AM EDT 
vertical line "Here and now" is truth.

But you'd have to give up too much to make it worthwhile.
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Reply from esoteric
Oct.24.2012
01:22AM EDT 
vertical line In the cost/benefit analysis of "time".
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Reply from leoj99
Oct.24.2012
01:31AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: ""Here and now" is truth.

But you'd have to give up too much to make it worthwhile.
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Yep, because it is the only truth.

That is why you need to stop thinking.
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Reply from leoj99
Oct.24.2012
01:33AM EDT 
vertical line What will you give up.?. you just need to stop   thinking...lol
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Reply from starduster
Oct.24.2012
05:43AM EDT 
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There were things that mattered to me then.  Not sure I would make the same decision again.  Mom and my brother were brutal.  It was like living in a castle with the wicked witch and her flying monkey.  Older brothers are often mean, but not usually at the behest, and by the design, of their mothers.

But my Dad knew nothing of this, and when he was around they were on their best behavior.  So I just stayed away as much as I could except when Dad was around.  Before he died, Dad said, *I knew you were being abused, but there wasnt really anything I could do about it.*  Thats why I didnt tell him about it at the time.  He couldnt help, and they would make me pay dearly for ratting them out.

I still look back on those times with a sad and heavy heart, wishing I could go back in time and help that little boy.  But I have done what that little boy set out to do, gone out into the world on my own and have done good things.  That may be as good as it gets.

I do envy those who had a happy childhood.  For me it was somewhere in between a Turkish prison and a Nazi concentration camp.

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Reply from esoteric
Oct.24.2012
09:33AM EDT 
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Quote: "Because it matters. "
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There were things that mattered to me then.  Not sure I would make the same decision again.  Mom and my brother were brutal.  It was like living in a castle with the wicked witch and her flying monkey.  Older brothers are often mean, but not usually at the behest, and by the design, of their mothers.

But my Dad knew nothing of this, and when he was around they were on their best behavior.  So I just stayed away as much as I could except when Dad was around.  Before he died, Dad said, *I knew you were being abused, but there wasnt really anything I could do about it.*  Thats why I didnt tell him about it at the time.  He couldnt help, and they would make me pay dearly for ratting them out.

I still look back on those times with a sad and heavy heart, wishing I could go back in time and help that little boy.  But I have done what that little boy set out to do, gone out into the world on my own and have done good things.  That may be as good as it gets.

I do envy those who had a happy childhood.  For me it was somewhere in between a Turkish prison and a Nazi concentration camp.

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I'm sorry we have to go through this. But in going through it, we have to go THROUGH it. When you are no longer troubled by the past, and you can let go of it, you understand why.

Love lights the way. Follow your heart with everything that you are.

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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.24.2012
10:00AM EDT 
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Reply from leoj99
Oct.27.2012
11:58AM EDT 
vertical line Now what is the truth they are talking about?
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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.27.2012
12:34PM EDT 
vertical line You, talking about you.
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Reply from so_teh
Oct.27.2012
01:34PM EDT 
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vertical line Am I-I Am (You and only you)
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Reply from starduster
Oct.27.2012
08:56PM EDT 
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You are You, through and through. 

But you and only you ? 

Yeah, that too.

In the final analysis,

There is no one here but You.

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Reply from football
Oct.28.2012
04:03AM EDT 
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Reply from justin
Oct.28.2012
11:37PM EDT 
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vertical line everyone has been telling but you do not listen.

people clean and cook the food for you do you want them to eat it also?
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Reply from leoj99
Oct.28.2012
11:43PM EDT 
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You are You, through and through. 

But you and only you ? 

Yeah, that too.

In the final analysis,

There is no one here but You.

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So what does it really mean if you say.. You are You..

You mean its all You?

It is like the story of the .. chicken and egg.. which one came first.

It looks like just a mind trick.. why not just be honest and tell you don't know...lol
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Reply from justin
Oct.29.2012
01:30AM EDT 
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vertical line the egg came first, Dinosaurs had eggs too!

Way before chickens evolved.
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Reply from justin
Oct.29.2012
01:34AM EDT 
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vertical line all perception all awarness comes from this mind, all senses, all thoughts, all feelings, all understandings, everything only exists because i have observed it to exist.

This is not to say if i do not observe it it does not exist (it just doesnt exist in this mind and therefore it does not exist at all to this mind). At this point we need to talk to the cat.
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Reply from justin
Oct.29.2012
01:54AM EDT 
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Reply from starduster
Oct.29.2012
05:05AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "

You are You, through and through. 

But you and only you ? 

Yeah, that too.

In the final analysis,

There is no one here but You.

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So what does it really mean if you say.. You are You..

You mean its all You?

It is like the story of the .. chicken and egg.. which one came first.

It looks like just a mind trick.. why not just be honest and tell you don't know...lol
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So what does it really mean if you say.. You are You..

You mean its all You?

It is like the story of the .. chicken and egg.. which one came first.

It looks like just a mind trick.. why not just be honest and tell you don't know...lol
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Not so much *you are you*, but more *through and through*.

Every island is a mountain top.  Under the sea, out of sight, is a mountain connecting it to the ocean floor, to the planet itself.  So while islands may appear separated they are actually all just part of the same thing.

So through and through means you are you, but that also you are never separate.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg, is obvious.  A chicken can exist without an egg, but an egg cannot exist without a chicken.  So the chicken came before the egg.  How that came about in evolution, who cares ?  Not my problem.

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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.29.2012
07:35AM EDT 
vertical line Transcending the difference between perceiver and perception will set you free.
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Reply from leoj99
Oct.29.2012
11:16AM EDT 
vertical line So you mean you are ... through and through ... and ... you and you...

Jesus what in the world is that...lol
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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.29.2012
11:53AM EDT 
vertical line Jebus, I've no idea what you're talking about. Will that do?
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Reply from zenmanstan
Oct.29.2012
10:12PM EDT 
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vertical line one fish two fish im free. 
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Reply from justin
Oct.30.2012
12:01AM EDT 
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When a fox is in the bottle where the tweetle beetles battle with their paddles in a puddle on a noodle-eating poodle, THIS is what they call...
...a tweetle beetle noodle poodle bottled paddled muddled duddled fuddled wuddled fox in socks, sir!
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Reply from leoj99
Oct.30.2012
12:31AM EDT 
vertical line Yeah..  like so many say..." I Am Who I Am..."

lol.. To them it looks so profound and as if they have found the secret of life...

If you ask them what does it really mean.. they get angry and they say asking is rude..lol..

Why can't they say simply: I don't know..


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Oct.30.2012
04:20AM EDT 
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Quote: "Yeah..  like so many say..." I Am Who I Am..."

lol.. To them it looks so profound and as if they have found the secret of life...

If you ask them what does it really mean.. they get angry and they say asking is rude..lol..

Why can't they say simply: I don't know..


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It is what it is, and it aint what it aint.

You is who you is, and you aint who you aint.

You are being you, just as everything else is being what it is being.

Who you are is just a part of Things as It is.  A small, very small, component.

So just be who you are, where you are, doing what you are doing,

and be content with that, or you could end up driving yourself nuts

trying to be someone or something that you are not.

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Oct.30.2012
08:01AM EDT 
vertical line liarj99 knows what he likes.
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