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vertical line Posted on Oct.25.2012 @ 11:08PM EDT by leoj99
What have you been thinking?

What  you have been thinking all your life. All your life you have been watching your thoughts rise and falls. And I understand many people still wants to watch their thoughts rises and falls while doing zazen.
All day people are watching their thoughts rise and fall and when they sit in zazen for 30 mins in a day they still wants to watch their thoughts rise and falls.

Wondering whats so important about their thoughts? What have they been thinking in their life. Wondering why thinking is so important. What is important thing that they have thought of.


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Reply from so_teh
Oct.25.2012
11:40PM EDT 
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vertical line Nowhere near the central nervous system am I thoughtful.
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Oct.25.2012
11:47PM EDT 
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vertical line My first few takes at meditation I noticed a thought stream. Mum's the word.
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Reply from justin
Oct.26.2012
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vertical line When someone says they are just 'watching tge thoughts rise and fall' does not mean they are sitting and focusing on thoughts?? It means they are clearing their thoughts (if that is tge sitting tgey are doing) as the imaginary mind is clear thoughts will occur, it serves no purpose to fight those thoughts. It is better to see them be aware of them and in this way they vanish and are let go off. Which results in a clear imagined mind. So watching thoughts rise and fall does not mean the thoughts are tge focus it is just a phrase. I am not sure if u wrote as question or antagonism :) I have responded as former.
The secret is u will not rid the mind of 'activity' but dealing with it is your choice.
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Reply from leoj99
Oct.26.2012
12:44AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "When someone says they are just 'watching tge thoughts rise and fall' does not mean they are sitting and focusing on thoughts?? It means they are clearing their thoughts (if that is tge sitting tgey are doing) as the imaginary mind is clear thoughts will occur, it serves no purpose to fight those thoughts. It is better to see them be aware of them and in this way they vanish and are let go off. Which results in a clear imagined mind. So watching thoughts rise and fall does not mean the thoughts are tge focus it is just a phrase. I am not sure if u wrote as question or antagonism :) I have responded as former.
The secret is u will not rid the mind of 'activity' but dealing with it is your choice.
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And who are antagonized?...lol
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Oct.26.2012
12:45AM EDT 
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vertical line Someone who sits and chases away thoughts actively is sitting and fighting this is the focus. If someone sits and allows the thoughts to come and go and does not attempt to fight them, ( which is really focusing and attatching) then tge thoughts will go by themselves. If this is coupled with an understanding then the thoughts will just loose their thoughtyness by themselves. (tgey are no longer relative) so what u will be left with (if it were possible to have wrong understanding)is the fight against thoughts that have lost their strength??? Only the fight!
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Oct.26.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "When someone says they are just 'watching tge thoughts rise and fall' does not mean they are sitting and focusing on thoughts?? It means they are clearing their thoughts (if that is tge sitting tgey are doing) as the imaginary mind is clear thoughts will occur, it serves no purpose to fight those thoughts. It is better to see them be aware of them and in this way they vanish and are let go off. Which results in a clear imagined mind. So watching thoughts rise and fall does not mean the thoughts are tge focus it is just a phrase. I am not sure if u wrote as question or antagonism :) I have responded as former.
The secret is u will not rid the mind of 'activity' but dealing with it is your choice.
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And who are antagonized?...lol
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I provide a genuine answer for the question, if was not meant as question there is nothing for u here.
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Oct.26.2012
12:52AM EDT 
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vertical line This is what is cutting of at the roots,
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Oct.26.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Someone who sits and chases away thoughts actively is sitting and fighting this is the focus. If someone sits and allows the thoughts to come and go and does not attempt to fight them, ( which is really focusing and attatching) then tge thoughts will go by themselves. If this is coupled with an understanding then the thoughts will just loose their thoughtyness by themselves. (tgey are no longer relative) so what u will be left with (if it were possible to have wrong understanding)is the fight against thoughts that have lost their strength??? Only the fight! "
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Have you done it  yourself or just your theory? Or you just parrot what others have said...lol
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Reply from leoj99
Oct.26.2012
03:14AM EDT 
vertical line So what have anyone accompished by thinking in Zen?
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Reply from so_teh
Oct.26.2012
04:14AM EDT 
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vertical line same thing one accomplishes by thinking about the self.
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Oct.26.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Someone who sits and chases away thoughts actively is sitting and fighting this is the focus. If someone sits and allows the thoughts to come and go and does not attempt to fight them, ( which is really focusing and attatching) then tge thoughts will go by themselves. If this is coupled with an understanding then the thoughts will just loose their thoughtyness by themselves. (tgey are no longer relative) so what u will be left with (if it were possible to have wrong understanding)is the fight against thoughts that have lost their strength??? Only the fight! "
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Have you done it  yourself or just your theory? Or you just parrot what others have said...lol
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I let u work that out your self, I was just trying to help.
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Reply from justin
Oct.26.2012
05:28AM EDT 
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vertical line And lol away I can still see your horns
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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.26.2012
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vertical line Teach a dull and inarticulate man how to use a computer, and he'll just lol away for a lifetime.
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Reply from starduster
Oct.26.2012
08:57AM EDT 
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i had to stay late for a breakfast meeting this morning.  Almost fell asleep driving home a few times.  So tired I took a nap in the driveway before coming into the house.  Nice sunny day, very comfortable.

Then went straight to bed.  Woke up at 6:30 pm, and couldnt believe I had slept so long.  Went out to my recliner and fell asleep there.  Woke up at 2:30 am, and couldnt believe I had slept so long.

Got up, got some caffeine and nuc*ed some eggs and cheese, to eat while puttering around on the internet.

Nice day.

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Oct.26.2012
09:29AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "I let u work that out your self, I was just trying to help. "
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Yes, his horns are showing. They are quite big, too! .... haha
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Reply from leoj99
Oct.27.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "I let u work that out your self, I was just trying to help. "
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Yes, his horns are showing. They are quite big, too! .... haha
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Or haven't you noticed your long horn protroding all the time...lol
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Reply from leoj99
Oct.27.2012
12:53AM EDT 
vertical line So no one can tell what they are thinking? Thinking in their lifetime and thinking in Zazen...lol..
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Reply from leoj99
Oct.27.2012
12:55AM EDT 
vertical line So if you cannot tell what have  you been thinking then you may just qoute Dogen or the Buddha...
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Reply from leoj99
Oct.27.2012
02:18AM EDT 
vertical line I think it start with the eight fold path... the all right....
and the 4 noble truth..

There is suffering and you are thinking why there is suffering.
Then you read all about suffering. Then you think and compare notes why there is suffering. But you still  end up suffering.

The 8 fold path... all the right... you want to be right.. you think to be right.. then you always think in the right view.. right thoughts... and wrong t houghts...



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Reply from leoj99
Oct.27.2012
02:24AM EDT 
vertical line Or maybe you are thinking of love. You are thinking how you love others. You are thinking of oneness. And you are endlessly thinking of those things....lol
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Reply from leoj99
Oct.27.2012
02:25AM EDT 
vertical line And maybe you are always thinking of emptiness too.. but wondering how can you think of emptiness....
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Reply from leoj99
Oct.27.2012
02:29AM EDT 
vertical line It seems there is a thread in the other forum... why is right right and wrong wrong...lol
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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.27.2012
07:07AM EDT 
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Reply from leoj99
Oct.27.2012
11:16AM EDT 
vertical line Wow it seems the thread in the other forum...Why is right right and wrong wrong .. is a very popular thread...lol

It seems there are so many knows what is right right and wrong wrong...lol

You see thats what people are thinking... right right and wrong wrong...
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Reply from leoj99
Oct.27.2012
11:42AM EDT 
vertical line Maybe the Teachers in the other forum are also thinking ... right right and wrong wrong...
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Reply from Joe Chip
Oct.27.2012
12:26PM EDT 
vertical line Do you mind?
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Oct.27.2012
03:34PM EDT 
vertical line How come nobody is posting what they are thinking...lol
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Reply from leoj99
Oct.27.2012
04:47PM EDT 
vertical line HOW IS SUFFERING CREATED AND HOW IS IT CEASED?
One day the Buddha was asked by the naked ascetic Kassapa:
-Master Gotama, is suffering created by oneself?
The Buddha replied:
-Not so, Kassapa.
-Then, is suffering created by another?
-Not so, Kassapa.
-Then, is suffering created by both oneself and another?
-Not so, Kassapa.
-Then, has suffering arisen by chance?
-Not so, Kassapa.
-Then, is there no suffering?
-It is not that there is no suffering, Kassapa; there is suffering.
-Then is that Master Gotama does not know and see suffering?
-It is not that I do not know and see suffering.
-So please, Master Gotama, teach me about suffering.
-Kassapa, [if you think,] "The one who acts is the same as the one
who experiences," with reference to one who existing from the beginning:
"Suffering is created by oneself." When you assert thus, this is called
the view of eternalism.

And Kassapa, [if you think], "The one who acts is one and the one who
experiences is another," then with reference to one stricken by feeling:
"Suffering is created by another." When you assert thus, this is called
the view of annihilationism.

Without taking either of those extremes, the Tathagata teaches the
Dhamma by the middle:
"With ignorance as condition, volitional formations [come to be];
with volitional formations as condition, consciouness [comes to be]....
Such is the origin of this whole mass of suffering.

With the cessation of ignorance, cessation of volitional formations;
with the cessation of volitional formations, cessation of consciousness....
Such is the cessation of this whole mass of suffering."

From "Samyutta Nikaya" of the Buddha
Adapted from Vietnamese version


Did you noticed the (if you think)...

This is posted in this forum..
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Reply from leoj99
Oct.27.2012
05:09PM EDT 
vertical line So suffering is created. It is not inherent in nature...
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Oct.27.2012
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A few minutes ago I was watching TV.I watched a nature documentary.All about nature beautiful trees, beautiful forest, colorful flowers, misty air, running deers along the open field full of green grasses and the sea waves near the beauty,

then I changed the channel and suddenly a TV program about Taekwondo appears.You know, that it was showing the basic taekwondo movements.simple arm and leg movements.

And I notice something for a moment, how different they seems and how same they are!

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Oct.27.2012
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A few minutes ago I was watching TV.I watched a nature documentary.All about nature beautiful trees, beautiful forest, colorful flowers, misty air, running deers along the open field full of green grasses and the sea waves near the beauty,

then I changed the channel and suddenly a TV program about Taekwondo appears.You know, that it was showing the basic taekwondo movements.simple arm and leg movements.

And I notice something for a moment, how different they seems and how same they are!

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How about if you are no longer watching TV...??
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Reply from football
Oct.27.2012
05:35PM EDT 
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I am just feeling very stupid right at this moment.

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Oct.27.2012
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vertical line Practicing inwardly, functioning in secret, pleading ignorant, seemingly stupid...yep thats what it is.
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Oct.27.2012
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vertical line That's what my family sees in me. But they still love me. That's lucky. What it is really, I'm just the same as them. And I'm not asking anyone to change. I'm just deep in the middle. They know that.
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Reply from football
Oct.27.2012
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vertical line For me, In theory there should be nothing attached to the head.And in practice one should be at peace with himself.This is the way of success.
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Oct.27.2012
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vertical line the perfect practice is helping others. it becomes secretive. then the flow starts. next thing you know youre enlightened.
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Oct.27.2012
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It seems a good example of thinking...lol
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Oct.28.2012
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Oct.28.2012
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vertical line So no one can tell what they are thinking all their life...lol..

Well all the topics in here is se;f explanatory..

Wondering why if I tell people to stop thinking.. they protest to the heavens. They swear they will never stop thinking..

When I asked them what they are thinking all their life they cannot tell what they are thinking. Are they thinking of nothing all along?

Whats the matter of you guys..lol
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Oct.28.2012
05:57PM EDT 
vertical line What are people thinking?

In the other forum someone posted he likes to break somebody's legs.
And seems no protests..

I told them to stop thinking and they violently protests.

Whats wrong with these guys..lol
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Oct.28.2012
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Oct.29.2012
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vertical line My observation is that many people are always thinking of God.
But even though they are thinking of God they are still thinking of the Devil more often maybe 99% of the time.
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Oct.29.2012
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vertical line Quote: "My observation is that many people are always thinking of God.
But even though they are thinking of God they are still thinking of the Devil more often maybe 99% of the time.
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This is correct much of the time. I call it Devil mind, and as our minds create reality there is only one outcome from this (thinking of the Devil constantly).

Devil Mind.

Whatever you think there you are.
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Quote: "Quote: "My observation is that many people are always thinking of God.
But even though they are thinking of God they are still thinking of the Devil more often maybe 99% of the time.
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This is correct much of the time. I call it Devil mind, and as our minds create reality there is only one outcome from this (thinking of the Devil constantly).

Devil Mind.

Whatever you think there you are.
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In the movie, Mr Frost, the Devil, is presented as saying *If people loved God as much as they fear me, they wouldnt have any problems*.

That movie is billed in its credits as *fact based*.  Someday Id like to see the case file.

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Oct.29.2012
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vertical line The case file is all here. Entire and uncircumscribed.
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