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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: TEST IF YOU ARE ENLIGHTENED OR NOT.
vertical line Posted on Nov.02.2012 @ 12:56AM EDT by leoj99
Testing if you are enlightened or not.

Just take a koan like Mu. The koan Mu is the easiest koan yet it is the hardest to pass because this is where new Zen students gets their breakthrough. Getting a glimpse or kensho is the hardest in zen practice. Once you see Mu the other koans are relatively easier to solve since you already have a taste where koans are solve.

If anyone even not a zen student who can tackle Mu he is enlightened. Even if your lineage is not dealing with koans if you are enlightened you can easily solve koans.

So anyone can solve Mu in Zen Forums?



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Reply from starduster
Nov.02.2012
01:03AM EDT 
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If you are not sure if you are awakened or not, it was kensho.

Awakening leaves no doubt, because there is nothing left to doubt.  Absolutely nothing.

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Reply from leoj99
Nov.02.2012
01:09AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "

If you are not sure if you are awakened or not, it was kensho.

Awakening leaves no doubt, because there is nothing left to doubt.  Absolutely nothing.

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What? You mean  you have nothing left to doubt?

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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.02.2012
09:11AM EDT 
vertical line I am sure of nothing.
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Reply from esoteric
Nov.02.2012
09:22AM EDT 
vertical line You are not Dog.
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Reply from Woodsman
Nov.02.2012
09:44AM EDT 
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Reply from Sam Hardy
Nov.02.2012
02:17PM EDT 
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vertical line Cyber space is not the best 'place' for solving koans.

Solving Mu depends on how well you can bark and it's difficult to do that here.

There you go, I'm barking, Can you hear me?    :)
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.02.2012
03:09PM EDT 
vertical line Attaboy, attest.
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Reply from QuantumZen
Nov.02.2012
03:55PM EDT 
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vertical line I noticed that I might "know" how to solve a koan, and "get" the way of zen. But I'm not enlightened nor do I walk the way. It is almost if I learned by heart tons of "zen" responses. And it frightens me ;/
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Reply from so_teh
Nov.02.2012
04:14PM EDT 
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vertical line Mind (consciousness) and environment (seasons) happen all at once within. This unconditional reverence for life, exalted spirit, is emptied of a separate self. Awake within awake, every moment can easily be called transcending, truly alive. But it needs adapting as well as enlightening, a generating of confidence, and the witness attitude. Lucky for me I find the place of least resistance with my family. Its truly a blessing. The art of happiness. If you know how to suffer then suffering is OK.
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Reply from so_teh
Nov.02.2012
04:29PM EDT 
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vertical line I haven't even been dealt the enlightenment cards. That is somebody else's problem. Buddha's perhaps. I'm just your brother.
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Reply from so_teh
Nov.02.2012
04:30PM EDT 
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vertical line Your ordinary brother.
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Reply from so_teh
Nov.02.2012
04:46PM EDT 
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vertical line Yep.
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Reply from football
Nov.02.2012
05:16PM EDT 
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vertical line I am not old me.This is hard to understand but zenmanstan + football = sit_teh
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Reply from so_teh
Nov.02.2012
05:38PM EDT 
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vertical line Artistic Disorder
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Reply from Avisitor
Nov.02.2012
06:33PM EDT 
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vertical line I deny all tests for enlightenment.
Who should judge you better than yourself?
Who should stand witness to the unfolding event?
Where are my shoes ... I've got to go to work ...
Ah, ... yes, every moment Zen ... haha
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.02.2012
10:55PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "I deny all tests for enlightenment.
Who should judge you better than yourself?
Who should stand witness to the unfolding event?
Where are my shoes ... I've got to go to work ...
Ah, ... yes, every moment Zen ... haha
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Now you are a denying guy. I thought you are just an advising guy..lol
But you can't deny what you are...lol
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Reply from Woodsman
Nov.03.2012
08:38AM EDT 
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vertical line when you drop the problem life begin to give free of questions
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Reply from Chryseis
Nov.03.2012
08:40AM EDT 
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tackling Mu is not enlightened

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Reply from Woodsman
Nov.03.2012
08:48AM EDT 
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vertical line no thing is
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Reply from Chryseis
Nov.03.2012
08:56AM EDT 
vertical line yes
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Nov.03.2012
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vertical line desire ...  can't say
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Nov.03.2012
12:53PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "I deny all tests for enlightenment.
Who should judge you better than yourself?
Who should stand witness to the unfolding event?
Where are my shoes ... I've got to go to work ...
Ah, ... yes, every moment Zen ... haha
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Now you are a denying guy. I thought you are just an advising guy..lol
But you can't deny what you are...lol
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To put labels on me is to put chains on me.
They only box me into a small category.
I am human ... more than guy .... hahahaha
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Reply from Woodsman
Nov.03.2012
01:00PM EDT 
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vertical line enlightenment is not having to have a thing, ungraspable

wohoo!
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.03.2012
01:01PM EDT 
vertical line Labels are your problem.
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Reply from Woodsman
Nov.03.2012
01:06PM EDT 
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vertical line let it go, the thought and free the mind to be
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.03.2012
02:48PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "I deny all tests for enlightenment.
Who should judge you better than yourself?
Who should stand witness to the unfolding event?
Where are my shoes ... I've got to go to work ...
Ah, ... yes, every moment Zen ... haha
"
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Now you are a denying guy. I thought you are just an advising guy..lol
But you can't deny what you are...lol
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To put labels on me is to put chains on me.
They only box me into a small category.
I am human ... more than guy .... hahahaha
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You see... thats the trouble when I am thinking I put labels...lol
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.03.2012
02:51PM EDT 
vertical line And invent what the labels are thinking.
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Nov.03.2012
04:58PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "let it go, the thought and free the mind to be "
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Can't hold on too tight or the very thing we seek gets lost in the grip
Can't hold on too loose or what we seek gets lost in the flow of thoughts
Free the mind?? Who holds it to be locked up??

Wait, I'm sorry about that ... stupid habit ...
Yes, let the thought go and free the mind to be ... well, at least in theory ... hahaha
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Reply from Woodsman
Nov.03.2012
06:11PM EDT 
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vertical line practice makes nothing perfect
no time to be an other, it, is, just free
no longer i am another
no shorter an
see?
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Reply from starduster
Nov.03.2012
06:45PM EDT 
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Quote: "I deny all tests for enlightenment.
Who should judge you better than yourself?
Who should stand witness to the unfolding event?
Where are my shoes ... I've got to go to work ...
Ah, ... yes, every moment Zen ... haha
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The fancier restaurants dont have prices in their menus.  If you have to ask, you cant afford it.

Awakening doesnt have a price tag either.  If you have to ask, it was Kensho.

Some say its a gift or a blessing.  I have to ask *from whom to whom*.  Can you give yourself a gift ?  Can you bless yourself ?

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Nov.03.2012
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vertical line Quote: "practice makes nothing perfect
no time to be an other, it, is, just free
no longer i am another
no shorter an
see?
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Yes, but it takes me time to arrive at such a thing or no thing ... a place or no place
See how words can't describe what needs to be conveyed??
My practice needs to deepen much more ...
Much more to do what?? Indeed what??
Just being ...
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Nov.03.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "practice makes nothing perfect
no time to be an other, it, is, just free
no longer i am another
no shorter an
see?
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Yes, but it takes me time to arrive at such a thing or no thing ... a place or no place
See how words can't describe what needs to be conveyed??
My practice needs to deepen much more ...
Much more to do what?? Indeed what??
Just being ...
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Our dissatisfaction with mental concepts that will satisfy an urge to be free of suffering comes as a construct that has over time taken over the place in our hearts where the center of our being arises from freely.  After the energy of life passing through our hearts reaches out in our breathing our mental images and energy actually rise out into the energy of the environment around us, as it has for years and generations of our being in this form as humans. We are all connected, to everything, every moment, and, can feel it, without words, can just be a feeling in the vision field, as tears form, reaching back to our beginning.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.04.2012
06:38AM EDT 
vertical line Test if you are leoj99 or not.
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.04.2012
11:34AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Test if you are leoj99 or not."
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You bet. I tried Mu but it doesn't work...lol
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.04.2012
11:35AM EDT 
vertical line But at least I tried.. But Zen  forum people are afraid of it... lol                   
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.04.2012
11:43AM EDT 
vertical line Salt water - the cure for all your little ills.
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