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vertical line Posted on Nov.07.2012 @ 06:59AM EDT by starduster
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.07.2012
07:07AM EDT 
vertical line Keep talking.
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Reply from Sam Hardy
Nov.07.2012
08:34AM EDT 
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vertical line Keep understanding.

(I don't mean you Joe.)
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.07.2012
08:36AM EDT 
vertical line You don't know what you mean Sam.
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Reply from Sam Hardy
Nov.07.2012
08:38AM EDT 
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vertical line I do know what I mean Joe.

I meant most people and you're not most people.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.07.2012
08:40AM EDT 
vertical line You mean you Sam.
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Reply from Sam Hardy
Nov.07.2012
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vertical line I think I understand.

It's me who must keep understanding and stop replying.

I'll do that then.
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Reply from starduster
Nov.08.2012
06:19AM EDT 
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Quote: "I think I understand.

It's me who must keep understanding and stop replying.

I'll do that then.
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No, you just fell into the trap of trying to reason with Joe.

He doesnt like that.

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Reply from Sam Hardy
Nov.08.2012
08:56AM EDT 
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vertical line I find most people don't even listen  - they go on facial expression and body language.
'Scientifically proven.'


At least you can't listen here or interpret or misinterpret body language.


People, and I include myself,  just misread and misconstrue text. We respond to what we think others are saying not what they are saying.


It happens even on a Zen site ha ha


Here, 'deep listening' is replaced by 'reading between the lines'.  

I've left double spaces here so you can all read between the lines ha ha ha
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.08.2012
09:50AM EDT 
vertical line The Internet is Incredible -


it's like a [sss...tttt ...] of the Universe





"When you listen to radio you are a witness of the everlasting war between the idea and appearance, between time and eternity, between the human and the divine."







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I'm lost






for







wordssss



















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Reply from shayne
Nov.08.2012
09:58AM EDT 
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vertical line actually your pretty hardwired starduster. kinda unwilling to change so.


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Reply from Sam Hardy
Nov.08.2012
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vertical line Quote: "The Internet is Incredible -


it's like a [sss...tttt ...] of the Universe





"When you listen to radio you are a witness of the everlasting war between the idea and appearance, between time and eternity, between the human and the divine."







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I'm lost

thanks, joe, for giving me


so much room to


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between the lines here


or write ha

ha

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wordssss



















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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.09.2012
07:06AM EDT 
vertical line It was my understanding that everyone had heard ...
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Reply from football
Nov.09.2012
08:25AM EDT 
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vertical line www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlIj6BxUS6E&feature=related
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Reply from starduster
Nov.10.2012
06:29AM EDT 
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Quote: "actually your pretty hardwired starduster. kinda unwilling to change so.


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I dont want to change to your way of thinking, because I dont like your way of thinking,

The Attention, way too boring and bland for my taste.

Or your delusions either, that you are Maitreya, the new Buddha,  thats rich,

that a poor, uneducated, slovenly, ignorant crud such as yourself,

should become the Spritual Leader of the World.  Oh man, give me a break !!

But then, Jesus was a common laborer until the day he was babtised and the Father

descended into him in the form of a Dove from Heaven, and he began to work miracles.

So let me know when you can walk on water, Shayne, and I will get behind you.

Until then, it appears you are too stupid to know you are stupid, and too delusional

to know that you are delusional.

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Reply from esoteric
Nov.10.2012
07:38AM EDT 
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Quote: "actually your pretty hardwired starduster. kinda unwilling to change so.


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I dont want to change to your way of thinking, because I dont like your way of thinking,

The Attention, way too boring and bland for my taste.

Or your delusions either, that you are Maitreya, the new Buddha,  thats rich,

that a poor, uneducated, slovenly, ignorant crud such as yourself,

should become the Spritual Leader of the World.  Oh man, give me a break !!

But then, Jesus was a common laborer until the day he was babtised and the Father

descended into him in the form of a Dove from Heaven, and he began to work miracles.

So let me know when you can walk on water, Shayne, and I will get behind you.

Until then, it appears you are too stupid to know you are stupid, and too delusional

to know that you are delusional.

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Words from an enlightened, awakened man.
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Reply from shayne
Nov.10.2012
08:43AM EDT 
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vertical line my middle boy. haha.

he watched as i was talking to him about HOW we dont pick our bodies and racism is total crap.

he was like dad....no one is arguing with you.

your very passionate about these things he said.

i just went.....oh ah yeah.

haha.

but heres the ticket.

I WILL CHANGE EVERYTHING!



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Reply from starduster
Nov.10.2012
08:47AM EDT 
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Quote: "my middle boy. haha.

he watched as i was talking to him about HOW we dont pick our bodies and racism is total crap.

he was like dad....no one is arguing with you.

your very passionate about these things he said.

i just went.....oh ah yeah.

haha.

but heres the ticket.

I WILL CHANGE EVERYTHING!



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I hope to be gone by then, home to the Void,

and youre not going where Im going, If I can help it,

I intend to block you out.

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Reply from starduster
Nov.10.2012
09:00AM EDT 
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Quote: "actually your pretty hardwired starduster. kinda unwilling to change so.


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I dont want to change to your way of thinking, because I dont like your way of thinking,

The Attention, way too boring and bland for my taste.

Or your delusions either, that you are Maitreya, the new Buddha,  thats rich,

that a poor, uneducated, slovenly, ignorant crud such as yourself,

should become the Spritual Leader of the World.  Oh man, give me a break !!

But then, Jesus was a common laborer until the day he was babtised and the Father

descended into him in the form of a Dove from Heaven, and he began to work miracles.

So let me know when you can walk on water, Shayne, and I will get behind you.

Until then, it appears you are too stupid to know you are stupid, and too delusional

to know that you are delusional.

"
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Words from an enlightened, awakened man.
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Words from an enlightened, awakened man.
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Yes, I do claim to have had a satori experience, confirmed by two recognized teachers, and a few other awakened people.  And I say I am a buddha, because I had no teacher, and a pratyeka buddha, because I am not a teacher.  Im just a lone buddha, wandering the Earth, at the moment.  The world is full of buddhas, and arhats, no real difference between the two, who are just awakened people.

Attaining *understanding* through satori or nirvana doesnt change who you are, just your perspective.  I was not the nicest guy in the world before then, and Im not now.  I tend not to care much about other people, even though I like people as individuals.  Even though I wish everyone well on their particular path, its their path not mine.  Im primarily interested in my own path, which is ever ongoing.

esoteric, you think you have found the answer, come to the end of your path, and now you want to turn around and help others attain what you have.  Theres some nobility to that, which makes it great *ego fuel*.  But true ?  No. 

You want to be a bodhisattva, but you have to become awakened before you can make that choice.  What is really attractive to you is the whole ego thing of being a bodhisattva, which pretty much means youre not in a position to help anyone.  Youre a poser, and it appears to really piss you off that there are awakened people around who wont let you be a Master here. 

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Reply from esoteric
Nov.10.2012
05:23PM EDT 
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Quote: "actually your pretty hardwired starduster. kinda unwilling to change so.


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I dont want to change to your way of thinking, because I dont like your way of thinking,

The Attention, way too boring and bland for my taste.

Or your delusions either, that you are Maitreya, the new Buddha,  thats rich,

that a poor, uneducated, slovenly, ignorant crud such as yourself,

should become the Spritual Leader of the World.  Oh man, give me a break !!

But then, Jesus was a common laborer until the day he was babtised and the Father

descended into him in the form of a Dove from Heaven, and he began to work miracles.

So let me know when you can walk on water, Shayne, and I will get behind you.

Until then, it appears you are too stupid to know you are stupid, and too delusional

to know that you are delusional.

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Words from an enlightened, awakened man.
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Words from an enlightened, awakened man.
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Yes, I do claim to have had a satori experience, confirmed by two recognized teachers, and a few other awakened people.  And I say I am a buddha, because I had no teacher, and a pratyeka buddha, because I am not a teacher.  Im just a lone buddha, wandering the Earth, at the moment.  The world is full of buddhas, and arhats, no real difference between the two, who are just awakened people.

Attaining *understanding* through satori or nirvana doesnt change who you are, just your perspective.  I was not the nicest guy in the world before then, and Im not now.  I tend not to care much about other people, even though I like people as individuals.  Even though I wish everyone well on their particular path, its their path not mine.  Im primarily interested in my own path, which is ever ongoing.

esoteric, you think you have found the answer, come to the end of your path, and now you want to turn around and help others attain what you have.  Theres some nobility to that, which makes it great *ego fuel*.  But true ?  No. 

You want to be a bodhisattva, but you have to become awakened before you can make that choice.  What is really attractive to you is the whole ego thing of being a bodhisattva, which pretty much means youre not in a position to help anyone.  Youre a poser, and it appears to really piss you off that there are awakened people around who wont let you be a Master here. 

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I'm not any of those things, and don't want any of those things. But I've read and heard plenty about people who think those things, want those things, and claim to be those things. Buddha, pratkeya, awakened, enlightened, teachers, masters, bodhisattvas.

You know, in all of the religious teachings of those things, I never heard any of them described as "not caring much about other people," or being on a path and only interested in their own path and no one else's. Very, very strange.

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Reply from shayne
Nov.10.2012
05:44PM EDT 
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vertical line You know, in all of the religious teachings of those things, I never heard any of them described as "not caring much about other people," or being on a path and only interested in their own path and no one else's. Very, very strange.

not its not strange.

its ill.

if you have no pain. and no concepts to interfere with your view of the world.....all life is beautiful.

i love people. in fact enough id fight gods and devils. so.
 
and even nasty people who spread lies.

so.


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Reply from leoj99
Nov.10.2012
05:49PM EDT 
vertical line How can people listen if they have to ears, they are deaf.
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.10.2012
05:51PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "How can people listen if they have to ears, they are deaf. "
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How can people liste if they have no ears, they are deaf.
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