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  Shih-tou Hsi-chien (700-790) was a very well known Chinese Ch'an master.
As a young monk, he was one of the disciples of the Sixth Patriarch Hui-neng.
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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: HARD WORK
vertical line Posted on Nov.08.2012 @ 09:57AM EDT by shayne
hard works usually has a consistant motivational factor of greed underlying it. then theres fear.....ya know.....serf and lord.......slave and pharoah...haha. ect. forced labor....not all the time. or other factors.....fame.....ect....sloth isnt to be leaned toward either. as this is rebellions against hard work. both extreme.



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Reply from Avisitor
Nov.09.2012
10:24PM EDT 
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vertical line My motivation for working hard is to do the work and past the time so I feel like I get back to my life.
Greed?? No ... it is love ... hahaha
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Reply from starduster
Nov.10.2012
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Most people work hard for security, and that works.

But you dont have to work hard for freedom. 

For instance, there is a lot of *Wilderness Area* in the US where any citizen can go and live off the land just like a hundred years ago or more.  Thats an option some have taken.

Or, it would not take much money to fly out to the Marshall Islands, a US Territory in the South Pacific, and have a boat or plane take you to a small unoccupied island and leave you there.  Thats another option.

You have to work hard for security, but for freedom you just have to need less.

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Reply from esoteric
Nov.10.2012
07:22AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "

Most people work hard for security, and that works.

But you dont have to work hard for freedom. 

For instance, there is a lot of *Wilderness Area* in the US where any citizen can go and live off the land just like a hundred years ago or more.  Thats an option some have taken.

Or, it would not take much money to fly out to the Marshall Islands, a US Territory in the South Pacific, and have a boat or plane take you to a small unoccupied island and leave you there.  Thats another option.

You have to work hard for security, but for freedom you just have to need less.

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Living off the land is still hard work for security.
Running away and hiding, even with less needs, is not freedom.
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Reply from shayne
Nov.10.2012
08:51AM EDT 
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vertical line this one time while putting up my childrens swimming pool years ago it was hot and well hot hot. i worked hard at it though. i wanted them to enjoy swimming. digging and shoveling and putting sand down and leveling. haha.

also the amish way of raising a house is so awesome. they all band togther and build a house for newlyweds or whatever.


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Reply from Avisitor
Nov.10.2012
09:46AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "

Most people work hard for security, and that works.

But you dont have to work hard for freedom. 

For instance, there is a lot of *Wilderness Area* in the US where any citizen can go and live off the land just like a hundred years ago or more.  Thats an option some have taken.

Or, it would not take much money to fly out to the Marshall Islands, a US Territory in the South Pacific, and have a boat or plane take you to a small unoccupied island and leave you there.  Thats another option.

You have to work hard for security, but for freedom you just have to need less.

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One needs to have the survival skills to "live off the land".
Nothing like freezing your butt off while hungry to motivate one to go to work to earn money to pay the rent and buy tiolet paper. Leaves hurt the asss.
But, hey, if you lead then I will follow ... not .... hahaha
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.10.2012
10:40AM EDT 
vertical line All living, is living off the land.
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.10.2012
11:22AM EDT 
vertical line You must work hard to get enlightened...
If you just like to be so so.. then enjoy your satori experience..  you self verified kensho experience.. you only get what you deserve...lol
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.10.2012
11:28AM EDT 
vertical line Shome mishtake shurely - so so self verified what? Wrong thread, wrong, guy.
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Reply from esoteric
Nov.10.2012
05:31PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "this one time while putting up my childrens swimming pool years ago it was hot and well hot hot. i worked hard at it though. i wanted them to enjoy swimming. digging and shoveling and putting sand down and leveling. haha.

also the amish way of raising a house is so awesome. they all band togther and build a house for newlyweds or whatever.


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Work is good for its own sake, and for the sake of mind and body. Very good when done for the sake of others, and together with others.
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Reply from shayne
Nov.10.2012
05:39PM EDT 
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vertical line i agree.

though i do not like our way of rushing and raping the land of trees and oil ect.


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Nov.10.2012
06:44PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "i agree.

though i do not like our way of rushing and raping the land of trees and oil ect.


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Work done for the sake of one's desires, while harming others, is not so good.
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Reply from 1Zenworld
Nov.10.2012
06:48PM EDT 
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vertical line Do with out doing. That's is Hard Work.
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Reply from Chryseis
Nov.10.2012
06:49PM EDT 
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hard work is arduous

working hard at something that has meaning, however, gives purpose and joy

work is meaningful activity, a healthful therapy for the mind, heart and body

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Reply from football
Nov.10.2012
07:03PM EDT 
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vertical line Chryseis, I think you got up left side of the bed today.I understand you disobliging(negative) all today.
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Reply from football
Nov.10.2012
07:16PM EDT 
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vertical line We should be positive.Look positive.Only then we can see the positive.
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Reply from esoteric
Nov.10.2012
07:35PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Chryseis, I think you got up left side of the bed today.I understand you disobliging(negative) all today."
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She talked about meaningful activity, purpose, joy, and healthful therapy for the mind, heart and body.
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Reply from football
Nov.10.2012
07:40PM EDT 
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And what I thought of him?

Is it the written or what we get?

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Nov.10.2012
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And what I thought of him?

Is it the written or what we get?

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What you think is what you think, and yours to do with it, however you need to.
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Reply from football
Nov.10.2012
07:52PM EDT 
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vertical line hardwork
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Reply from esoteric
Nov.10.2012
07:56PM EDT 
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It gets easier.

In the meantime, every now and then take a break from work, and do something enjoyable. I'm sipping tea, and talking to some good friends. :-)
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Reply from football
Nov.10.2012
08:05PM EDT 
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vertical line You are a good friend esoteric.Thanks for being with us!
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Reply from esoteric
Nov.10.2012
08:10PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "You are a good friend esoteric.Thanks for being with us!"
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You're welcome. Thank you, too. :-)
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Reply from football
Nov.10.2012
08:12PM EDT 
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vertical line I'm learning many things from you.
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Reply from esoteric
Nov.10.2012
08:17PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "I'm learning many things from you."
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You are just watching the same as I do, and teaching yourself. :-)
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Reply from football
Nov.10.2012
08:25PM EDT 
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vertical line Yes I have learned many things since i have started this forum.Especially watching my thoughts.but in living life yet.
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Reply from football
Nov.10.2012
08:35PM EDT 
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vertical line going to get a new car today, but was heavily damaged
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Reply from football
Nov.10.2012
08:37PM EDT 
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vertical line I learned to trust no one
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Reply from football
Nov.10.2012
08:45PM EDT 
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vertical line Anyway, I'm going bed.take care.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.11.2012
07:38AM EDT 
vertical line Teach a man to fish and ... you save yourself a fish.
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