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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: ZEN IS THE HARDEST WORK EVER
vertical line Posted on Nov.10.2012 @ 11:28AM EDT by leoj99
Zen is the  hardest work ever. It involves the mind which is the hardest to crack. So you cannot take lightly.

Otherwise if you just enjoy your self verified kensho then your life has just been a so so. A soso zen student... a soso .. always a soso...lol

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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.10.2012
11:30AM EDT 
vertical line Hello so so.

While you're laughing at that, I'm fasting on the fun I could have with you.
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.10.2012
11:30AM EDT 
vertical line Sitting in zazen is not even 1% of the work in Zen...lol
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.10.2012
11:31AM EDT 
vertical line Hello so   so....lol.. 
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.10.2012
11:39AM EDT 
vertical line leoj99 - the 1%er catching himself out in.
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Reply from Sam Hardy
Nov.10.2012
12:16PM EDT 
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vertical line Soso Zen? Is that a new Zen sect, a split off of Soto? Hadn't heard of it before.  Very Interesting. 
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.10.2012
02:32PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Soso Zen? Is that a new Zen sect, a split off of Soto? Hadn't heard of it before.  Very Interesting.  "
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Yeah I think especially in Zen Forums many of them belong to the Soso Zen sect...lol
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.10.2012
02:33PM EDT 
vertical line Have you heard fo Zen Junkies?
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.10.2012
02:39PM EDT 
vertical line Ah.. Samadhi Junkies...

plucking chicken

Samadhi Junkies
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Reply from esoteric
Nov.10.2012
05:42PM EDT 
vertical line "Master, is it easy to practice Zen and become enlightened?"
"Oh yes! It's very, very easy!"

"Master, is it hard to practice Zen and become enlightened?"
"Oh yes! It's very, very hard!"

"Master, I don't understand. You told one student it was very easy, and another that it was very hard. So, which one is it?"
"If you think it's easy, then it's easy. If you think it's hard, then it's hard. If you don't think easy or hard, you just do it. That is Zen."
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.10.2012
06:48PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: ""Master, is it easy to practice Zen and become enlightened?"
"Oh yes! It's very, very easy!"

"Master, is it hard to practice Zen and become enlightened?"
"Oh yes! It's very, very hard!"

"Master, I don't understand. You told one student it was very easy, and another that it was very hard. So, which one is it?"
"If you think it's easy, then it's easy. If you think it's hard, then it's hard. If you don't think easy or hard, you just do it. That is Zen."
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Hehe.. Haven't I told many times. Stop thinking... just eat watermelon..lol
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.10.2012
06:59PM EDT 
vertical line In fact it is my experience in Zen Forums that if you tell people to stop thinking they hate it so much..lol
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.10.2012
07:01PM EDT 
vertical line They even tell don't stop your thoughts while in zazen, just watch them rise and fall...lol.

I really don't understand whats the big deal about their thoughts...lol
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Reply from esoteric
Nov.10.2012
07:30PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "They even tell don't stop your thoughts while in zazen, just watch them rise and fall...lol.

I really don't understand whats the big deal about their thoughts...lol
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Do you understand the big deal about your thoughts? Watch them and see.

If there are no thoughts in zazen, fantastic! Watch thoughts when not in zazen.
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Reply from Avisitor
Nov.11.2012
03:17PM EDT 
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vertical line Hello So so ... hahaha
So and so said so .... hahaha
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Nov.11.2012
04:41PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "They even tell don't stop your thoughts while in zazen, just watch them rise and fall...lol.

I really don't understand whats the big deal about their thoughts...lol
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Become the awareness ... practice this and you will reflect what is in front of you.
Being in such a state will allow you to sense your thoughts in another way.
Then, when thoughts do fall away ... you become the reflection of emptiness and perfection
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.11.2012
04:46PM EDT 
vertical line lol





hahaha
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Reply from esoteric
Nov.11.2012
05:14PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "They even tell don't stop your thoughts while in zazen, just watch them rise and fall...lol.

I really don't understand whats the big deal about their thoughts...lol
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Become the awareness ... practice this and you will reflect what is in front of you.
Being in such a state will allow you to sense your thoughts in another way.
Then, when thoughts do fall away ... you become the reflection of emptiness and perfection
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Who is in such a state?
What is reflected?
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.12.2012
08:01AM EDT 
vertical line How are the mighty States fallen.
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Nov.12.2012
09:32AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "They even tell don't stop your thoughts while in zazen, just watch them rise and fall...lol.

I really don't understand whats the big deal about their thoughts...lol
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Become the awareness ... practice this and you will reflect what is in front of you.
Being in such a state will allow you to sense your thoughts in another way.
Then, when thoughts do fall away ... you become the reflection of emptiness and perfection
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Who is in such a state?
What is reflected?
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Those are questions ... left best for you to answer ... haha
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Reply from esoteric
Nov.12.2012
09:57AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "They even tell don't stop your thoughts while in zazen, just watch them rise and fall...lol.

I really don't understand whats the big deal about their thoughts...lol
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Become the awareness ... practice this and you will reflect what is in front of you.
Being in such a state will allow you to sense your thoughts in another way.
Then, when thoughts do fall away ... you become the reflection of emptiness and perfection
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Who is in such a state?
What is reflected?
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Those are questions ... left best for you to answer ... haha
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There are no such questions or answers in my cup of coffee.
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.12.2012
11:30AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "They even tell don't stop your thoughts while in zazen, just watch them rise and fall...lol.

I really don't understand whats the big deal about their thoughts...lol
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Become the awareness ... practice this and you will reflect what is in front of you.
Being in such a state will allow you to sense your thoughts in another way.
Then, when thoughts do fall away ... you become the reflection of emptiness and perfection
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Who is in such a state?
What is reflected?
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Those are questions ... left best for you to answer ... haha
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I think that is what is called passing the ball. It seems you are good in basketball....lol

Or is that passing the buck.. you tell something and when asked about what you said you pass the buck...lol
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Reply from Sam Hardy
Nov.12.2012
11:40AM EDT 
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vertical line Zen is the hardest work ever.

No, you are the hardest work ever Leo. lol

But hard work never killed anyone and what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

Therefore you are making me stronger for which I am eternally indebted to you.

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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.12.2012
11:50AM EDT 
vertical line Four more years?
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Reply from zenmanstan
Nov.12.2012
12:48PM EDT 
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vertical line vote independant
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Nov.12.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "They even tell don't stop your thoughts while in zazen, just watch them rise and fall...lol.

I really don't understand whats the big deal about their thoughts...lol
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Become the awareness ... practice this and you will reflect what is in front of you.
Being in such a state will allow you to sense your thoughts in another way.
Then, when thoughts do fall away ... you become the reflection of emptiness and perfection
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Who is in such a state?
What is reflected?
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Those are questions ... left best for you to answer ... haha
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I think that is what is called passing the ball. It seems you are good in basketball....lol

Or is that passing the buck.. you tell something and when asked about what you said you pass the buck...lol
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When you ask questions that are best answered by your own experiences then I tell you so.
Now, you blame me for such answers .. so be it ... hahaha
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