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who was of the tenth generation of Vo Ngon Thong lineage, and asked:
-From old days it was talked about "direct pointing", what does that mean?
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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: ABSOLUTE TRUTH
vertical line Posted on Nov.12.2012 @ 03:41PM EDT by leoj99
Absolute Truth.

I want the Absolute Truth. I don't like small talk.

Can you give me some advice....lol..

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Reply from sit_teh
Nov.12.2012
07:56PM EDT 
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vertical line Is this an emergency?
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Reply from sit_teh
Nov.12.2012
08:08PM EDT 
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Reply from zenmanstan
Nov.12.2012
08:36PM EDT 
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vertical line All suffering comes from wanting your own happiness.
Complete awakening arises from the intention to help others.
So, exchange completely your happiness
For the suffering of others — this is the practice of a bodhisattva.
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Reply from QuantumZen
Nov.12.2012
09:32PM EDT 
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vertical line What is truth in the first place? Truth is a noun. Thats what it is. You want to hear an absolute noun... Thats something (not to mention the fact, that you want to hear a figure of speach). :) You can hear sound. Thats absolute. You can read these words. Thats absolute. None of what you've just read is absolute. And that is also- absolute.
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Reply from esoteric
Nov.13.2012
12:17AM EDT 
vertical line My mother gets stressed out over money. Plenty in the bank, plenty of income, plenty in retirement investments. And still, she loses her breath, gets anxious, and gets upset over money, every day.

So, I said, no problem. Let's put all of your accounting in a spreadsheet so you can see just how much you have. Oh look! You have plenty! Now, give it all to me, and I'll make sure you never have to worry about it again.

Oooooh, no. I'll keep track of it myself, she said. But she stopped being so damned anxious about it.
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Reply from Sam Hardy
Nov.13.2012
05:13AM EDT 
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vertical line I don't give advice - or advices - which is even worse. 

Next 'trick' question. 
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Reply from Sam Hardy
Nov.13.2012
05:30AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "What is truth in the first place? Truth is a noun. Thats what it is. You want to hear an absolute noun... Thats something (not to mention the fact, that you want to hear a figure of speach). :) You can hear sound. Thats absolute. You can read these words. Thats absolute. None of what you've just read is absolute. And that is also- absolute."
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Very good points. 

You can hear the sound of a bell.  It doesn't make sense to then say that you are not sure you heard it.  But you can't hear truth.  At least not in the same way.

Perhaps we are enlightened when we can perceive the truth directly like the sound of a gong in an empty room.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.13.2012
07:02AM EDT 
vertical line There he stands, he can do no other.
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.13.2012
11:24AM EDT 
vertical line Im waiting for the advice of Avisitor.

I would have said first... Hi I am New... in this forum...
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Reply from zenmanstan
Nov.13.2012
01:55PM EDT 
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Twelve Ways of Realising Me

1.     LONGING
        If you experience that same longing and thirst for union with me as one who has been lying for days in the hot sun of the Sahara experiences the longing for water, then you will realise me.
2.     PEACE OF MIND
        If you have the peace of a frozen lake, then too you will realise me.
3.     HUMILITY
        If you have the humility of the earth which can be moulded into any shape, then you will know me.
4.     DESPERATION
        If you experience the desperation that causes a man to commit suicide and you feel that you cannot live without seeing me, then you will see me.
5.     FAITH
        If you have the complete faith that Kalyan had for his Master, in believing it was night although it was day (because his Master said so), then you will know me.
6.     FIDELITY
 If you have the fidelity that the breath has in giving you company, even without your constantly feeling it, till the end of your life (that both in happiness and in suffering gives you company and never turns against

you), then you will know me.
7.     CONTROL THROUGH LOVE
        When your love for me drives away your lust for the things of the senses, then you will realise me.
8.     SELFLESS SERVICE
        If you have the quality of selfless service unaffected by results, similar to that of the sun which serves the world by shining on all creation—on the grass in the field, on the birds in the air, on the beasts in the forest—on all mankind with its sinner and its saint, its rich and its poor, unconscious of their attitude towards it, then you will win me.
9.     RENUNCIATION
        If you renounce for me everything physical, mental and spiritual, then you have me.
10.    OBEDIENCE
        If your obedience is as spontaneous, complete and natural as the light is to the eye or the smell to the nose, then you come to me.
11.    SURRENDERANCE
        If your surrenderance to me is as whole-hearted as that of one who, suffering from insomnia, surrenders to sudden sleep without fear of being lost, then you have me.
12.    LOVE
         If you have that love for me which St. Francis had for Jesus, then not only will you realise me but you will please me.
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Reply from esoteric
Nov.13.2012
07:00PM EDT 
vertical line Please. And thank you.
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Reply from sit_teh
Nov.13.2012
10:07PM EDT 
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vertical line My older bro would say 'get real with yourself before you get real with others.' Absolutely true.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.14.2012
07:36AM EDT 
vertical line Here I stand, I can do no other.
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Reply from 1Zenworld
Nov.14.2012
06:54PM EDT 
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vertical line The truth lies with in are hearts. The truth will set you free. You have to know of it befor you can let go of it.
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.14.2012
11:30PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "The truth lies with in are hearts. The truth will set you free. You have to know of it befor you can let go of it."
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What is the truth in your heart?
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Reply from Sam Hardy
Nov.15.2012
05:20AM EDT 
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The absolute truth is there are no absolute truths, except the one I’ve just stated. All truth is relative.

These are not profound spiritual truths. They’re merely logical paradoxes, like the class of all classes that doesn’t include itself.

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Reply from football
Nov.15.2012
10:40AM EDT 
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vertical line That's not the Absolute Truth.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.15.2012
11:01AM EDT 
vertical line The fly marks the spot, stays on the line, craps on the word and s h i t s to type.
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Reply from Sam Hardy
Nov.15.2012
11:11AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "The fly marks the spot, stays on the line, craps on the word and s h i t s to type."
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Another absolute truth.  Your wisdom is particularly crazy today, Joe, and spot on
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Reply from 1Zenworld
Nov.15.2012
06:19PM EDT 
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The Real Meaning of Mindfulness

When mindfulness is equated with bare attention, it can easily lead to the misconception that the cultivation of mindfulness has nothing to do with ethics or with the cultivation of wholesome states of mind and the attenuation of unwholesome states. Nothing could be further from the truth.

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Reply from leoj99
Nov.16.2012
01:14AM EDT 
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The Real Meaning of Mindfulness

When mindfulness is equated with bare attention, it can easily lead to the misconception that the cultivation of mindfulness has nothing to do with ethics or with the cultivation of wholesome states of mind and the attenuation of unwholesome states. Nothing could be further from the truth.

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Could you please explain in simple terms.. what exactly is being said..?
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.16.2012
03:08AM EDT 
vertical line This is the Truth.

A Teaching From Zen Master Jinen
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.17.2012
02:20PM EDT 
vertical line Absolute SILENCE ... .. .
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.17.2012
11:37PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Absolute SILENCE ... .. . "
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There is no absolute Noise...?
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Reply from Chryseis
Nov.18.2012
03:05AM EDT 
vertical line yes that's correct, only absolute
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.18.2012
08:55AM EDT 
vertical line Absolute SILENCE – Absolute NOISE  = ABSOLUTION
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Reply from Sam Hardy
Nov.18.2012
10:19AM EDT 
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Zen exam part 1. Please  state correct answer    ...

Absolute zero is :   1) no mind   2)  unattainable ideal
3) a total loser  4)  no ego  5) the height of cool

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Nov.18.2012
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Reply from floating_a
Nov.18.2012
10:50AM EDT 
vertical line Joe rulz.
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Reply from *CSEe*
Nov.18.2012
06:44PM EDT 
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To me , UNDERSTAND yourself , REALIZING yourself , ACCEPTING yourself and freedom from yourself is the only truth.....and thats Buddhism.

Thks CSEe

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Reply from leoj99
Nov.18.2012
07:45PM EDT 
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To me , UNDERSTAND yourself , REALIZING yourself , ACCEPTING yourself and freedom from yourself is the only truth.....and thats Buddhism.

Thks CSEe

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Could you please elaborate a little more please.
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Reply from *CSEe*
Nov.19.2012
09:46AM EDT 
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To me , UNDERSTAND yourself , REALIZING yourself , ACCEPTING yourself and freedom from yourself is the only truth.....and thats Buddhism.

Thks CSEe

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In my current understanding , "I" or "ME" is emptiness , nothingness and "myself" is all my desire , emotions , ego , greed , compassion , love , knowledge , my will etc thats confused me to create faith on "who I am"........in my current understanding 'MYSELF" is polluted energy that attached to 'ME" and this polluted energy had caused my existent and I will continue to exist as long as I have desire , will to exist ......and suffering , joy , happiness , sorrow is part of my existent ......Buddhism is a PROCESS that all being regardless living or non-living releasing its polluted energy to be pure , back into original state of nathingness .

As human , Buddhism is a process that involve all experiences , discovering , knowing , understanding OWNSELF by being awake , by own realization leading to acceptence of ownself and emptiness ..........back into nothingness ....

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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.19.2012
09:49AM EDT 
vertical line Did I ever tell you about my Rainbow Belt in Déjà vu?
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