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vertical line Posted on Nov.17.2012 @ 03:37AM EDT by leoj99
Zen Talks.

I have heard so many zen talks on Youtube.
I have read long postings in Zen Forums too.

My observations are that they are long and they use highly technical words and even strange sanskrit words. It seems to me they are all talking about something very important by expounding and expounding about the subject matter. It seems to me they have said many things.
But in spite of all the long talks they haven't said something. Nothing substantial was said.

I have tried on occasions on zen forums to ask what was they really saying and explain it in very simple terms but I never got a decent answer. Most of the time it seems they just ignored me.

But wonder of wonders many of them are praising each other. They even imply that what was said was a great wisdom.

But honestly to me there was nothing said. Am I missing some important points in Zen Forum postings...?

Wondering if some people could enlighten me.





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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.17.2012
07:23AM EDT 
vertical line Tweet it.
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Reply from Avisitor
Nov.17.2012
09:19AM EDT 
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vertical line Enlighten you??
Who will enlighten me?? ... hahaha
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.17.2012
09:32AM EDT 
vertical line Zen talks, nobody listens.
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.17.2012
11:22AM EDT 
vertical line Yeah imagine all the Zen talks around. I think they are even more numerous than Bible talks.. 
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Reply from QuantumZen
Nov.17.2012
12:17PM EDT 
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vertical line That opposite to my experience. I also have listened to hundreds of zen talks and the most amazing thing about them was their simplicity.

"The greatest teaching in Buddhism is:
bwaaaheeeaaaarraaawwaaa (that is supposed to be a nonsense of a sound the teacher makes"

or

"There are four noble truths:
first truth is dukkha, or the truth of suffering
second truth is... oh I forgot it, look them up in a book"

not paying attention to complex Sanskrit words is the idea of these talks :) Maybe you came across some suggestive pseudobuddhism.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.17.2012
12:57PM EDT 
vertical line Ventriloquial.
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Reply from justin
Nov.17.2012
01:26PM EDT 
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vertical line If u understand u do.

The logic centre of the brain is also closely connected to the speech centre.

To describe a totality one needs more then the limited scope offered by words. On zen guide I am limited to words. How can Anyone show anyone anything ?

If a person was to describe a experience and the other person did not understand through having had a experience which relates(was there a point?) and if the person already had understood is there any point in explaining ? (teaching them how to suck eggs) what they already know?

Unfortunately zenguide is very limited in it's communication, and some would expect to be able to communicate a truth considered frightening at best by most people, I wonder about the success of such a idea.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.17.2012
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vertical line It's limited to dummies.
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