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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: WHEN I CHANGE THE WORLD CHANGES
vertical line Posted on Nov.17.2012 @ 06:59AM EDT by Sam Hardy
Thoughts, comments, amusing quips, non-thoughts ?
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.17.2012
07:37AM EDT 
vertical line Is it local?
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Reply from football
Nov.17.2012
08:09AM EDT 
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vertical line It Changes Better.(This is for you Sam)
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Reply from Avisitor
Nov.17.2012
09:12AM EDT 
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vertical line You make your own world through your perceptions.
So when you change, your world changes also.
Nothing new ... but is note worthy.
Please continue to present your findings ... they seem to line up with mine ... hahaha
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.17.2012
09:35AM EDT 
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.17.2012
11:32AM EDT 
vertical line Are you sure the world changes too....? ..lol
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.17.2012
01:24PM EDT 
vertical line Whose munchman are you?
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Reply from Sam Hardy
Nov.18.2012
06:53AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Are you sure the world changes too....? ..lol "
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Now who's making a distinction between self and world ?  lol

Far be it from me to try to catch you out though  Leo  ...
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.18.2012
08:28AM EDT 
vertical line Are you starduster's munchman?
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Reply from Sam Hardy
Nov.18.2012
10:09AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Are you starduster's munchman? "
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Hoonos?
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Reply from *CSEe*
Nov.18.2012
06:47PM EDT 
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In Buddhism you are always ALONE , in your own journey of your will on your choice in your world ...........no one and nothing connected to you not even your body as you never owned them all ...........so when you change , your world change ..............same as all living or non-living .

Thks

CSEe

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Reply from leoj99
Nov.18.2012
07:43PM EDT 
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In Buddhism you are always ALONE , in your own journey of your will on your choice in your world ...........no one and nothing connected to you not even your body as you never owned them all ...........so when you change , your world change ..............same as all living or non-living .

Thks

CSEe

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So who is alone..
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Nov.18.2012
10:33PM EDT 
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vertical line A Moral, Virtuous People
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.19.2012
08:27AM EDT 
vertical line Coffee, tea or milk?
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Nov.19.2012
09:36AM EDT 
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vertical line perhaps you , perhaps me ..perhaps all being regardless living or non-living .........
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.19.2012
09:38AM EDT 
vertical line Cream or lemon?
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.19.2012
09:39AM EDT 
vertical line Aha!
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Nov.19.2012
09:43AM EDT 
vertical line You miserable ... son of a ...
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Reply from starduster
Nov.19.2012
10:50AM EDT 
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Quote: "You make your own world through your perceptions.
So when you change, your world changes also.
Nothing new ... but is note worthy.
Please continue to present your findings ... they seem to line up with mine ... hahaha
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I have suspected for some time that when I walk from one place to another that I, my body per se, stays in one place while the world turns underneath it.  That is to say that I have the perception of actually turning the world with my feet in order to change location from point A to point B.

This perception may be entirely incorrect, but the end result is the same.

And of course Im just joking.

Another inside joke:  You thinking imagining moving world with feet ?

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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.19.2012
10:59AM EDT 
vertical line When I changed, the world ended.
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Nov.19.2012
06:37PM EDT 
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vertical line Existential Aloneness
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Meditation
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Nov.19.2012
06:43PM EDT 
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vertical line Existential Aloneness
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That Is That
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.19.2012
11:24PM EDT 
vertical line If each of us are alone why are we alone?
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Reply from *CSEe*
Nov.20.2012
02:09AM EDT 
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Quote: "If each of us are alone why are we alone? "
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To my current understanding , myself is polluted energy that caused my own existent........and it is the only cause , the only reason I am here ...........

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Reply from starduster
Nov.20.2012
06:52AM EDT 
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Quote:

Existential Aloneness
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That Is That

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This is that, and that is this,

It is this and that, that and this,

The question is not whether there is really Oneness, thats just too easy to prove.

The question is whether duality, as an experiment, has proved a success,

ending existential aloneness.  There is no other reason for it to exist.

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Reply from Sam Hardy
Nov.20.2012
06:57AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "When I changed, the world ended. "
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That's very sad to hear, Joe ha ha ha

When you laugh the world laughs with you, when you cry etc - how profound that is lol ..

On the mundane level, if you are kind and compassionate to others they will generally be kind and compassionate to you so in that sense the world will seem a kinder place etc.

On the other hand, if  I went out and murdered somebody, I'm sure my world would suddenly seem very different to me.

At the deepest spiritual level, we are our world,  no difference between self and other etc so it's automatic. 

That said, we can't transform the world single handed, not even the Buddha and Christ managed that.  Their influence and effect was more or less localized for centuries and centuries and let's face it the world's still in a mess thousands of years after them, though apparently life is a lot better now than it was say a thousand years ago or so says Steven Pinker. 

 
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.20.2012
07:35AM EDT 
vertical line Yes, the Laughing Compassionate Jesus said: Whoever has come to know the world has found a corpse. And look what happened to him.
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Reply from Sam Hardy
Nov.20.2012
07:57AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Yes, the Laughing Compassionate Jesus said: Whoever has come to know the world has found a corpse. And look what happened to him. "
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Bad karma? ha ha

Yes, look what happened to him.  He went to his Father in Heaven, went down in history and founded a massive business empire that still flourishes today.

It's a paradox not a contradiction.  And I did cover myself with 'generally' lol.

Besides, Jesus never laughed, he smiled a lot and wept once. So the Bible tell us.
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Nov.20.2012
07:59AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Yes, the Laughing Compassionate Jesus said: Whoever has come to know the world has found a corpse. And look what happened to him. "
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I found the world just looses it's appeal.maybe it's the smell ?
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.20.2012
08:11AM EDT 
vertical line What happens, is that Jesus is continually murdered by the massive, grim literalist, business empire, that has been founded by others in his name.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.20.2012
08:15AM EDT 
vertical line I understand your wounds that have not healed.
They exist because God and love
have yet to become real enough
to allow you to forgive the dream.
~ Hafiz

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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.20.2012
08:23AM EDT 
vertical line Yes, the laughing Jesus is the living Jesus.
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Nov.20.2012
09:05AM EDT 
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Quote: "What happens, is that Jesus is continually murdered by the massive, grim literalist, business empire, that has been founded by others in his name. "
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Holy Roman Empire,

contradiction in terms.

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Nov.20.2012
09:51AM EDT 
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U know him too!!!!
u on freaking fire mate I dig it.

That poem just blew me away, wow there is some insight.
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Nov.20.2012
10:05AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "If each of us are alone why are we alone? "
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You made your bed ... so now sleep in it ... hahaha

The truth is that we came this way and we will go this way unless you find the way
Man, why you confuse me so ... ???
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Nov.20.2012
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vertical line Quote: "I understand your wounds that have not healed.
They exist because God and love
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~ Hafiz

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isdat real Jo?
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.20.2012
12:08PM EDT 
vertical line Deceptively so.
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Reply from floating_a
Nov.20.2012
12:11PM EDT 
vertical line I dont understand..

Hafiz is nice.

Ta,
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.20.2012
12:17PM EDT 
vertical line Yes, concepts are deceptive.
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Reply from floating_a
Nov.20.2012
12:20PM EDT 
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_/\_

And yet scared, lost ... half hearted maybe

Love and thanks...

Abu
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.20.2012
01:40PM EDT 
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Reply from floating_a
Nov.20.2012
01:55PM EDT 
vertical line It's nothing important... :) Thankyou...

_/\_

Safe travels
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.20.2012
11:25PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "I understand your wounds that have not healed.
They exist because God and love
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What did Hafiz said? Forgive my little mind.
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Reply from starduster
Nov.21.2012
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Quote: "Quote: "I understand your wounds that have not healed.
They exist because God and love
have yet to become real enough
to allow you to forgive the dream.
~ Hafiz

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What did Hafiz said? Forgive my little mind.
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People ask, *How could a loving God....*

Because everything God has created is an infinite joy compared to Gods own pain.

Its the pain of loneliness and sorrow, of being alone in the Void of nothingness forever,

like being a little girl, all alone, playing with her dolls in the attic.  She moves them, and gives them voices, with which to interact, but none of them can keep her company.

If you ever come to know that pain, to remember it as your own, well ....

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Nov.21.2012
05:20AM EDT 
vertical line Little mind, big crap?
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